Resource 2024 AFL Draft discussion thread (Wed Nov 20 to Fri Nov 22)

[Apsaalooke]

My nephew who plays in south adelaide juniors said that consistent word is, Sid has had twice as many conversations with Carlton than any other club and have stated and Brice Gibbs is playing a part on the side to highlight Carlton as a great club etc

Wow, Bryce Gibbs. Now there's a great role model

 

[Mr MysteryGuest]

My nephew who plays in south adelaide juniors said that consistent word is, Sid has had twice as many conversations with Carlton than any other club and have stated and Brice Gibbs is playing a part on the side to highlight Carlton as a great club etc

What impact would Gibbs have? It’s a draft not a trade

 

[dplggr47]

What impact would Gibbs have? It’s a draft not a trade

Sid doesn't get a say in where he ends up, but Gibbs can convince him to stay at Carlton long term if that's where he ends up. He's an Adelaidean that has been through the AFL system as a high draft pick, with high expectations, moving away from home, etc. He also has experience at both Carlton and Adelaide. Bryce Gibbs also played for South Adelaide after AFL.

 

[AFC979810]

Are we the only board thinking that its a clear top 4?

Looking at the so called draft experts (and taking out Ashcroft for obvious reasons) they all have FOS, Langford, Smith, Lalor ahead of Draper - which would indicate a top 5. Some like Twomey have Reid ahead of Draper too.

The national coverage seems to contradict what our draft people are saying.

 

[Mr MysteryGuest]

Sid doesn't get a say in where he ends up, but Gibbs can convince him to stay at Carlton long term if that's where he ends up. He's an Adelaidean that has been through the AFL system as a high draft pick, with high expectations, moving away from home, etc. He also has experience at both Carlton and Adelaide. Bryce Gibbs also played for South Adelaide after AFL.

Sure, but if Sid gets there and the joint sucks, what Bruce has to say won’t count for much

 

[adelaidecrows]

My nephew who plays in south adelaide juniors said that consistent word is, Sid has had twice as many conversations with Carlton than any other club and have stated and Brice Gibbs is playing a part on the side to highlight Carlton as a great club etc

Well you would expect Carlton to do their due diligence. If the player they want is gone then Draper maybe there next option. Could be speaking too another few players.

What impact would Gibbs have? It’s a draft not a trade

I think its likely to have been blown out of proportion. Nothing wrong with Draper asking what a club is like. Gibbs knows both so probably had a good convo. But means literally nothing.

 

[Captain Furious]

Regardless of any intel or otherwise, Draper is a perfect fit for Carlton's midfield mix. Lot of super players, smooth moving ball winners but they lack speed and energy, which he has in spades. He'll also likely play rd. 1 next year, which is significant for a team that is contending now - and really needs to make the most of the A grade talent they have for Voss to survive much longer.

The possibility is does open up though if Lalor isn't pick 1...

1. Jagga/FOS
2. Tauru
3. Draper
4. Lalor

Wouldn't need to mess with next year's pick, which really would be silly.

 

[Disco Fox]

Are we the only board thinking that its a clear top 4?

Looking at the so called draft experts (and taking out Ashcroft for obvious reasons) they all have FOS, Langford, Smith, Lalor ahead of Draper - which would indicate a top 5. Some like Twomey have Reid ahead of Draper too.

The national coverage seems to contradict what our draft people are saying.

Twomey is one of two outliers - every other ranking list that I've seen has Draper top 4. But, it's not a clear top 4. Right from the outset we were told that this year was very even. Too many observers have gone micro, trying to rank them, when, given the top 10 are (almost) all midfielders it really doesn't matter who we select with such a high pick - they'll potentially be our best future midfielder.

 

[Hodgy]

Are we the only board thinking that its a clear top 4?

Looking at the so called draft experts (and taking out Ashcroft for obvious reasons) they all have FOS, Langford, Smith, Lalor ahead of Draper - which would indicate a top 5. Some like Twomey have Reid ahead of Draper too.

The national coverage seems to contradict what our draft people are saying.

ESPNs final top 50 dropped today, and I must say it is a lot more sensible and well analyzed than any other media summaries I’ve read, and they have Draper as no. 2. They have Langford quite a bit lower and the top 3 of Jagga, Draper and Lalor, which is probably how clubs are viewing it.

If North take Tauru then we are obviously fine, however if we feel they would take a mid if they stay then trading up with them sounds like a very good idea for us, otherwise we will probably end up with Smilie, Langford or FOS, who could all end up great, but have significant question marks that could hold them back (tank, speed and productivity in that order).

 

[Checksider]

Can we trade 2027 picks live this draft?

Only Geelong are allowed to bend the rules like that

 

[Jeffcrowe]

Are we the only board thinking that its a clear top 4?

Looking at the so called draft experts (and taking out Ashcroft for obvious reasons) they all have FOS, Langford, Smith, Lalor ahead of Draper - which would indicate a top 5. Some like Twomey have Reid ahead of Draper too.

The national coverage seems to contradict what our draft people are saying.

We are definitely too close minded in here

It’s part of reason why people blow up re Langford being mentioned as they’ve narrowed down on 1-2 prospects but it’s all very even

Even Travaglia is good enough to be considered in the top bracket , mutineeer has Bo Allan in it too

Very SA centric in here re Draper , he’s one of many that will be good for us but many clubs wouldn’t have him in their top 6-7 while others would have him top 3

 

[Jeffcrowe]

Twomey is one of two outliers - every other ranking list that I've seen has Draper top 4. But, it's not a clear top 4. Right from the outset we were told that this year was very even. Too many observers have gone micro, trying to rank them, when, given the top 10 are (almost) all midfielders it really doesn't matter who we select with such a high pick - they'll potentially be our best future midfielder.

some of the others might be the outliers too

Lots of clubs don’t have Draper in the top bracket due to composure and kicking

The ones that like Draper though , love him

The difference in the power rankings just reflect the evenness in the draft , it’s a draft where clubs wouldn’t be in consensus about the top 20 order at all

This time last year you could almost pick the top 10 in order, Windsor was the only one to defy the predictions this far out

 

[Mostyn]

We are definitely too close minded in here

It’s part of reason why people blow up re Langford being mentioned as they’ve narrowed down on 1-2 prospects but it’s all very even

Even Travaglia is good enough to be considered in the top bracket , mutineeer has Bo Allan in it too

Very SA centric in here re Draper , he’s one of many that will be good for us but many clubs wouldn’t have him in their top 6-7 while others would have him top 3

The question they asked though was "are we the only board that thinks it's a clear top four?"

I think the answer is no. Nearly every board I've visited has the same top four.

 

[Untouchables22]

I saw a social media post saying that AFL is hosting a Draft Event at Marvel that the public can attend. It's not in where the draft is actually announced, but you can see all the kids walk in and then they broadcast on a huge screen. Dyl Buckley's podcast team is apparently doing presenting or something.

Not as exciting as actually attending the draft, but could be fun.

 

[Hodgy]

We are definitely too close minded in here

It’s part of reason why people blow up re Langford being mentioned as they’ve narrowed down on 1-2 prospects but it’s all very even

Even Travaglia is good enough to be considered in the top bracket , mutineeer has Bo Allan in it too

Very SA centric in here re Draper , he’s one of many that will be good for us but many clubs wouldn’t have him in their top 6-7 while others would have him top 3

I certainly agree with you that the top 10 is considered even now, and Travaglia is right up there, however one thing is definately true, in 2 years when we look back they won’t all be considered even. The media had Chayce Jones and Zac Butters considered even, but look how that turned out. The other factor is what style of player would compliment our existing group of mids the best, which is a genuine reason to prefer one player over another.

For me FOS only averaged 11 touches in his champs games and 17 in his talent league games this year and that worries me. I understand that it could be solely down to injuries, but should we honestly take that risk in this draft when there are so many other options? Similarly Langford, who is going to a fantastic player, is just too similar to Dawson, Hinge and Curtin, being that beautiful long kicking, sweeping, quarterback type, but with no burst speed from stoppage. Again do we need to take that risk?

Jagga Smith, Draper and Lalor all have serious weapons and high ceilings that would compliment our current midfield group, but all also have high floors with really good exposed form this year. North, Richmond and Carlton can afford to take more of a punt this year than us, we absolutely must get a star midfielder this year or risk wasting all the other talent we’ve accumulated recently.

I actually think there is a clear top 4 this year and they are Draper, Jagga, Lalor and Travaglia. Would be really happy with any of them to be honest.

 

[Jeffcrowe]

The question they asked though was "are we the only board that thinks it's a clear top four?"

I think the answer is no. Nearly every board I've visited has the same top four.

Haven’t checked but fair enough

Different to all the different clubs recruiters then

It shows the group think that can emerge

 

[Captain Furious]

I certainly agree with you that the top 10 is considered even now, and Travaglia is right up there, however one thing is definately true, in 2 years when we look back they won’t all be considered even. The media had Chayce Jones and Zac Butters considered even, but look how that turned out. The other factor is what style of player would compliment our existing group of mids the best, which is a genuine reason to prefer one player over another.

For me FOS only averaged 11 touches in his champs games and 17 in his talent league games this year and that worries me. I understand that it could be solely down to injuries, but should we honestly take that risk in this draft when there are so many other options? Similarly Langford, who is going to a fantastic player, is just too similar to Dawson, Hinge and Curtin, being that beautiful long kicking, sweeping, quarterback type, but with no burst speed from stoppage. Again do we need to take that risk?

Jagga Smith, Draper and Lalor all have serious weapons and high ceilings that would compliment our current midfield group, but all also have high floors with really good exposed form this year. North, Richmond and Carlton can afford to take more of a punt this year than us, we absolutely must get a star midfielder this year or risk wasting all the other talent we’ve accumulated recently.

I actually think there is a clear top 4 this year and they are Draper, Jagga, Lalor and Travaglia. Would be really happy with any of them to be honest.

I agree with all of this except maybe not Travaglia as an option for us at 4. Terrific player but that's high for a defender who might be a midfielder in time. We have so many options at half back, where he'll surely start his career, good chance he gets stuck back in that queue. Understand all the examples of junior half backs/wings that have become elite mids (Day, Young etc.) but like you say, 'we absolutely must get a star midfielder this year or risk wasting all the other talent we’ve accumulated recently'. Travaglia feels like a home run as an AFL player but maybe not as the elite mid we desperately need.

 

[Hodgy]

I agree with all of this except maybe not Travaglia as an option for us at 4. Terrific player but that's high for a defender who might be a midfielder in time. We have so many options at half back, where he'll surely start his career, good chance he gets stuck back in that queue. Understand all the examples of junior half backs/wings that have become elite mids (Day, Young etc.) but like you say, 'we absolutely must get a star midfielder this year or risk wasting all the other talent we’ve accumulated recently'. Travaglia feels like a home run as an AFL player but maybe not as the elite mid we desperately need.

Fair enough, I agree. Gee he looks bloody good though, I just have FOMO with him I guess.

 

[Captain Furious]

Fair enough, I agree. Gee he looks bloody good though, I just have FOMO with him I guess.

Probably the highest floor in the draft along with Jagga.

As much as I like Curtin, wish we'd taken that WCE deal and had 3 & 4. Split 4 and have 3 x 1st round picks. Draper/Jagga + Travaglia & Berry or similar kind of haul. Would've set up our future.

 

[Trigger13]

Probably the highest floor in the draft along with Jagga.

As much as I like Curtin, wish we'd taken that WCE deal and had 3 & 4. Split 4 and have 3 x 1st round picks. Draper/Jagga + Travaglia & Berry or similar kind of haul. Would've set up our future.

Agree. Given how deep this draft is, hindsight suggests we would have been better off taking that deal. Not sure Curtin becomes the player we hoped for. His lack of athleticism concerns me. And we have no idea where to play him. The net result of grabbing Travaglia and say Berry or a sliding Bo Allan over Curtin is much more appealing IMO.

 

[Dangarman]

Regardless of any intel or otherwise, Draper is a perfect fit for Carlton's midfield mix. Lot of super players, smooth moving ball winners but they lack speed and energy, which he has in spades. He'll also likely play rd. 1 next year, which is significant for a team that is contending now - and really needs to make the most of the A grade talent they have for Voss to survive much longer.

The possibility is does open up though if Lalor isn't pick 1...

1. Jagga/FOS
2. Tauru
3. Draper
4. Lalor

Wouldn't need to mess with next year's pick, which really would be silly.

I was thinking those exact same thoughts while doing the catch up reading of this thread.

Other clubs interested in Lalor - Maybe Richmond are not!
Carlton keen on Draper - leaves only North ahead of us to snare Lalor, therefore no deal required if they are dead set on Tauru.

However, the risk remains of someone else doing the deal with North, and we get the 4th best mid. Which would probably still be OK.

IMO we should not take Lalor at pick #2 if we do the deal with North. We should make Brisbane take Ashcroft at #2 and take Lalor at #3!

(I don't think Brisbane would be in a position to complain, nor could they cause any further retribution to us in this draft if we did. We would absolutely welcome Ashcroft if Brisbane had a brain fart and didn't match! Unlike picking JUH, which was absolutely to make the Dogs pay.)

 

[Hodgy]

Probably the highest floor in the draft along with Jagga.

As much as I like Curtin, wish we'd taken that WCE deal and had 3 & 4. Split 4 and have 3 x 1st round picks. Draper/Jagga + Travaglia & Berry or similar kind of haul. Would've set up our future.

100% agree, are you available to take over our list management role btw? You’ve got my vote.

Whichever way you slice it, it is terrible list management to have Strachan, Burgess, Schoey and Smith on our list while only taking 1 player and Welsh in this draft.

 

[eaglevision]

 

[Coopers]

Sounds like we weren't at 95%.

I imagine we are front loading some deals so that we're using all of the 2024 salary cap. That's the kind of thing that allows us to sign free agents and attract new players for future seasons.

Other than the fact we think our list is shit and they don't deserve all of the cap, there's very few advantages to just not spending the money.

If we're sensible (lols) we would have the ability to front load a contract written into all contracts.
And we'd spend the whole cap every year in that way.

Like... we should always be doing that. There's no reason you wouldn't.

 

[Eagleboy2011]

Probably the highest floor in the draft along with Jagga.

As much as I like Curtin, wish we'd taken that WCE deal and had 3 & 4. Split 4 and have 3 x 1st round picks. Draper/Jagga + Travaglia & Berry or similar kind of haul. Would've set up our future.

Curtin will be v/good for us. Only just finished his first senior season here. Forget the what ifs.