Resource 2024 AFL Draft discussion thread (Wed Nov 20 to Fri Nov 22)

[119others]

This is a rare draft where there is no clear agreed priority order. The credible mock drafts usually have the top ten pretty right by now with perhaps just a few positions slightly in doubt. While the top ten might be pretty settled for this year, the order could be anything. Perhaps this year's players are so similar in quality that teams are actually looking for really specific targeted differences. No longer would you choose just the best player when your pick comes up, because perhaps there isn't one. The rumoured jostling suggests to me that clubs both know quite a bit more than we do about the players and have refined their requirements down to just a few minor but specific differences.
And within this, I think there is a higher level than usual of due diligence being paid to the "in case our first pick is gone" players, hence Carlton's apparent unexpected high interest in Draper, when the consensus has mostly thought they will pick elsewhere.
Its going to be very interesting.

Agree more needs based as per Kangas seemingly going to take Tauru (either 2 or 4) much higher than most draft experts rate him. The problem for us IMO is both Blues and Crows need the same sort of mid - the explosive break away mid - Chad Warner type. And we all know who that is.

Our great value-adding and clearly informed mate from the Blues board, C4[2]Yo`DooR didn’t respond to an open question I raised hinting at Blues and Crows wanting the same player BUT did LIKE my comment saying if Draper goes to Blues we are unlikely to get him back. And that IF we want Draper we need to get him in this draft. Clearly wont confirm anything confidential but just subtle hints and my interpretation is that he believes Blues are wanting Draper. Perhaps I am wrong…

 

[Captain Furious]

Our last 4 years early picks have been

2020 - TT
2021 - Rachele
2022 - Rankine
2023 - Curtin

Are you really unhappy with that?

If you want to value highly third rounders in the 45-60 range in a crappy draft then….we disagree

TT was a no brainer, best junior in the state for years. Doubt many or any would take Rachele at 5 given the chance again. You know we didn’t draft Rankine yeah? Jury well and truly out on Curtin.

 

[ABAB]

Only makes sense if we are really targeting Draper and not Smith with the traded up or Carlton is leaking fake information with Voss flying to SA to met Draper and they are really targeting Smith at pick 3 and we want Smith. Both clubs playing games in the lead up to draft.

 

[119others]

TT was a no brainer, best junior in the state for years. Doubt many or any would take Rachele at 5 given the chance again. You know we didn’t draft Rankine yeah? Jury well and truly out on Curtin.

Ok so not happy with the last 4 years use of early draft picks,

 

[Mostyn]

The other thing for certain is they have a terrible track record with early picks. Think I’d rather it taken out of their hands and have whoever falls to 4.

And keep those 3rd rounders for trade cache, f/s or academy picks that rise next year or even drafting at a point in the draft they seem to have a better track record with.

Do they have a terrible track record with early picks?

 

[119others]

I suspect they mean Carlton.... I think

Don’t think so mate based on his last post

 

[Crow till I die]

Why would they say Smith is our target, then?

Clearly we think the Blues are keen on Jagga (whether they actually are or not)

If you’re claiming inside info - no offence meant, but when info comes out this late in the piece (like Curtin last year), I’d be inclined to believe Cavanagh and Batten

Sorry, i'd believe ronald mcdonald ahead of them all...he got the curtin call correct in advance of the draft

 

[Cromulant]

Don’t think so mate based on his last post

Gee.. that's bad

 

[Captain Furious]

I know this is a continuous narrative on Big Footy but our record is probably no worse than anyone else's. Sure, there area couple of obvious misses, but mostly we get it right.
And even if you are right, that's not a reason to sit back and let it "fall". That would be just plain negligence.
Anyway ..... Our last couple of years of aggressive and trading and pick swapping suggests we are better at it than you may be thinking.

1st round picks of Jones, Pedlar, McHenry, Galluci, McAsey along with Schoenberg, Berry and Cook in the 20s, suggests we struggle badly early in drafts. Those 8 should be the driving force of our team now. Instead they’re depth at best. Every club has misses. We missed almost a generation.

 

[Captain Furious]

Do they have a terrible track record with early picks?

Given the vast swathes of our forum that’s dedicated to this topic, I always chuckle when people feign surprise when it’s brought up.

 

[Hodgy]

The caveat is, and I've said it before, if we really do want someone above everyone else then you do it.

For mine each of the top 5 bring a skillset we need more of

I agree, but history tells us that not all 5 will maximize those skillsets. That’s the real job of talent evaluators.
All of the media say Smith is like Butters and Draper is like Chad Warner and Langford like Dawson, well if they all 5 end up at that level then yes it doesn’t matter which one we take, however this will absolutely not be the case. 1 or possibly 2 will hopefully end up at that level, and that is what we send our recruiters all over the country to decipher.

 

[Danger in Texas]

But why would you be listening to any gossip - media speculation- on our true intentions. Every year we say how tight we are with not letting anyone know who we are after. If anything has got out from West Lakes it’s most likely misinformation IMO

Keen to see who you vote for in the poll re who we pick up

I voted Draper, a while bsck

That was under the assumption at the time our choice was between Draper and Langford, though. Things change - this time last year we were bound to take Darcy Wilson, before a Curtin trade became possible

 

[Hodgy]

1st round picks of Jones, Pedlar, McHenry, Galluci, McAsey along with Schoenberg, Berry and Cook in the 20s, suggests we struggle badly early in drafts. Those 8 should be the driving force of our team now. Instead they’re depth at best. Every club has misses. We missed almost a generation.

Our last 4 years have been a huge improvement, so there is some reason for hope. However it simply can’t be argued that those 8 picks arent the primary reason for our current uncompetitive position.

 

[Mutineer]

1st round picks of Jones, Pedlar, McHenry, Galluci, McAsey along with Schoenberg, Berry and Cook in the 20s, suggests we struggle badly early in drafts. Those 8 should be the driving force of our team now. Instead they’re depth at best. Every club has misses. We missed almost a generation.

Surely you realise there is a major difference between picking a draftee in the first half dozen picks as opposed to draftees taken in the latter half of the 1st round.

McAsey is the only glaring failure considering where he was picked and I'm not convinced his failure was down to lack of talent. IMO there were several well known contributing factors that were basically out of the club's control.

 

[Danger in Texas]

Sorry, i'd believe ronald mcdonald ahead of them all...he got the curtin call correct in advance of the draft

Bring back FAITH

 

[ABAB]

TT was a no brainer, best junior in the state for years. Doubt many or any would take Rachele at 5 given the chance again. You know we didn’t draft Rankine yeah? Jury well and truly out on Curtin.

There was a chance McDonald would have been selected instead of Thilthorpe, Rachele was rated at pick 8 after the draft redo and this was with JVR before him which is questionable and the "jury well and truly out" on Curtin after a year where his development was questionable and hampered by his knee????

 

[Peter Doherty]

TT was a no brainer, best junior in the state for years. Doubt many or any would take Rachele at 5 given the chance again. You know we didn’t draft Rankine yeah? Jury well and truly out on Curtin.

Who should we have taken ahead of Rachele?

 

[Crow till I die]

Bring back FAITH

He was much better in his hamburger reiteration

 

[Mostyn]

TT was a no brainer, best junior in the state for years. Doubt many or any would take Rachele at 5 given the chance again. You know we didn’t draft Rankine yeah? Jury well and truly out on Curtin.

The only player picked after Rachele that you'd take before him is NWM.

Thilthorpe - lol, half this board wanted McDonald or Hollands.

Absolutely no reason to not be very positive about Curtin.

The point was - our strike rate is no better or worse than any other club. We're probably slightly below average but Most boards complain about their first round picks - Sydney, Geelong have been terrible, Hawthorn have DGB, Carlton have a bunch of misses, etc

 

[Mostyn]

1st round picks of Jones, Pedlar, McHenry, Galluci, McAsey along with Schoenberg, Berry and Cook in the 20s, suggests we struggle badly early in drafts. Those 8 should be the driving force of our team now. Instead they’re depth at best. Every club has misses. We missed almost a generation.

There was only a couple of decent players selected after Jones and none after McHenry. The 2018 draft wasn't deep at all.

Those picks in the 20s aren't early picks. Their role player picks, and are a flip of the coin.

Gallucci wasn't a particularly early pick - though it's massively frustrating that we were about the only club that missed out in that range, because it was a really deep draft.

 

[Mostyn]

Given the vast swathes of our forum that’s dedicated to this topic, I always chuckle when people feign surprise when it’s brought up.

Yeah, it's the same six posters that post the same stuff over and over again.

I've never seen any actual comparative evidence that shows were vastly worse than other sides.

I don't in any way suggest we're doing better than other teams - I just think a lot of clubs look similar to us, because the strike rate of the draft is lower than we'd like to believe.

 

[Mostyn]

Surely you realise there is a major difference between picking a draftee in the first half dozen picks as opposed to draftees taken in the latter half of the 1st round.

McAsey is the only glaring failure considering where he was picked and I'm not convinced his failure was down to lack of talent. IMO there were several well known contributing factors that were basically out of the club's control.

I understood wanting to draft the key talls first because they take longer to develop - but I remember feeling concerned about McAsey really early, when his fitness seemed really low and a poster pointed out how he had played on a bad year for key forwards, so we were potentially over rating his success.

 

[BunjiMC]

I think we only move up to pick 2 if Lalor is still available. If he is gone then we take one of Draper, Smith or FOS at 4.

 

[Captain Furious]

There was only a couple of decent players selected after Jones and none after McHenry. The 2018 draft wasn't deep at all.

Those picks in the 20s aren't early picks. Their role player picks, and are a flip of the coin.

Gallucci wasn't a particularly early pick - though it's massively frustrating that we were about the only club that missed out in that range, because it was a really deep draft.

Gallucci was pick 15.

 

[Captain Furious]

Who should we have taken ahead of Rachele?

NWM. Was right under our noses too.