Resource 2024 AFL Draft discussion thread (Wed Nov 20 to Fri Nov 22)

[Mutineer]

I understood wanting to draft the key talls first because they take longer to develop - but I remember feeling concerned about McAsey really early, when his fitness seemed really low and a poster pointed out how he had played on a bad year for key forwards, so we were potentially over rating his success.

McAsey also had a very good junior career as a forward as well and he was Vic Metro's M.V.P. at the Nationals in a team that boasted Matt Rowell and Noah Anderson.

Also worth remembering Noah Anderson was likely our original target until the AFL once again screwed us over with giving the Suns the priority pick to keep the 2 best buds together retention wise. Melbourne were always taking Jackson from a long way out.

I still hold out hopes Pedlar who was part of the trade down lives up to his undoubted potential.

 

[Peter Doherty]

Gallucci was pick 15.

Oooh, what a waste.

 

[Peter Doherty]

NWM. Was right under our noses too.

We needed a mid.

It's disappointing Rachele isn't there yet as a mid, maybe this year. Can't put that on the recruiting team.

 

[Danger_zone]

We needed a mid.

It's disappointing Rachele isn't there yet as a mid, maybe this year. Can't put that on the recruiting team.

Dawson, Soligo, seem like its set in the midfield rotation, squirts from Peatling/Rankine, then 1 of berry/Laird/Crouch. Seems to be log jam for kids need midfield minutes (Curtin, pick 4).

 

[Vader]

Oooh, what a waste.

One of many examples why we should never let the coach overrule the recruiting manager, when it comes to making selections.

 

[Captain Furious]

We needed a mid.

It's disappointing Rachele isn't there yet as a mid, maybe this year. Can't put that on the recruiting team.

NWM is more a mid than Rachele.

 

[Captain Furious]

Surely you realise there is a major difference between picking a draftee in the first half dozen picks as opposed to draftees taken in the latter half of the 1st round.

McAsey is the only glaring failure considering where he was picked and I'm not convinced his failure was down to lack of talent. IMO there were several well known contributing factors that were basically out of the club's control.

Half the guys you bang on about how great they are will be taken after the first dozen picks. Why do you spend so much time posting in the draft thread if you think they don’t have value and delisted 1st round picks aren’t failures?

 

[Cromulant]

NWM is more a mid than Rachele.

Not even close to being true

 

[ABAB]

NWM is more a mid than Rachele.

Rachele averaged 20 disposals and kicked 10.10 when playing midfield in 2023 for the first 7 weeks.

 

[GrommoT]

Agree more needs based as per Kangas seemingly going to take Tauru (either 2 or 4) much higher than most draft experts rate him. The problem for us IMO is both Blues and Crows need the same sort of mid - the explosive break away mid - Chad Warner type. And we all know who that is.

Our great value-adding and clearly informed mate from the Blues board, C4[2]Yo`DooR didn’t respond to an open question I raised hinting at Blues and Crows wanting the same player BUT did LIKE my comment saying if Draper goes to Blues we are unlikely to get him back. And that IF we want Draper we need to get him in this draft. Clearly wont confirm anything confidential but just subtle hints and my interpretation is that he believes Blues are wanting Draper. Perhaps I am wrong…

Wonder if there's been any rumours of bLoos doing a 2-3 pick swap with North?

That would let bLoos definitely get ahead of us if we're after the same player, or should Rich pull a surprise and not take Lalor (assuming North wouldn't take LAlor)

 

[GROTTO]

I agree, but history tells us that not all 5 will maximize those skillsets. That’s the real job of talent evaluators.
All of the media say Smith is like Butters and Draper is like Chad Warner and Langford like Dawson, well if they all 5 end up at that level then yes it doesn’t matter which one we take, however this will absolutely not be the case. 1 or possibly 2 will hopefully end up at that level, and that is what we send our recruiters all over the country to decipher.

Good post.

Lets go back 10 years ago to 2014 and look at the Top 5 in that draft.

Literally just two players are still playing. Both played key roles in their team flags on GF day.

 

[WaynesWorld19]

I still hold out hopes Pedlar who was part of the trade down lives up to his undoubted potential.

Like all players, they have a bad year ....I'm sure he's lean't a lot from that experience

But people putting ??? on players on 1 year out of 15 .....is the textbook pessimism

 

[Mostyn]

I think we only move up to pick 2 if Lalor is still available. If he is gone then we take one of Draper, Smith or FOS at 4.

I really don't want FOS.

That's the only pick I feel nervous about - lack of progress this year seems worrying.

Smith or Draper for mine.

 

[Cromulant]

Good post.

Lets go back 10 years ago to 2014 and look at the Top 5 in that draft.

Literally just two players are still playing. Both played key roles in their team flags on GF day.

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As did Brayshaw in 2021.

I mean there's not maximising skill sets and there's having concussion issues. They're not retired due to lack of talent.

 

[Mostyn]

NWM. Was right under our noses too.

Sure, but an outside wingman or half back isn't an obviously better choice than an impact forward.

I hope we get NWM, but I'm still very happy with the Rachele choice.

 

[Mostyn]

Gallucci was pick 15.

That was my point. You're over rating those back end of the first round picks.

VERY disappointing, but a lot fail every year from there.

 

[WaynesWorld19]

NWM is more a mid than Rachele.

Not sure how you've arrived at that conclusion ?

NWM has never played midfield at AFL ....Wing, HBF ...with still an outside game similar to Sholl

As critical as I've been of Rachele ...I'd back him, and what he's given glimpses of, playing midfield at AFL already

 

[Captain Furious]

The apologists for our terrible early drafting define the acceptance of mediocrity that now characterises too many Crows supporters. Our drafting team are doing a great job because anyone taken outside the top 10 can’t be any good anyway (all the while ignoring top 10 busts McAsey and Jones).

Same people tomorrow will be crying that we don’t have more later picks in this year’s draft because all of a sudden those picks are valuable again.

 

[Cromulant]

Port troll I'm good nick this morning

 

[1970crow]

Ok so not happy with the last 4 years use of early draft picks,

This year will tell us a lot.

TT - still hasn't proven himself worthy of pick 2, but I'm quietly confident he's going to explode this year.
Rachele - looks like an overpay, but that could turn around if he becomes a 20+ and 1.5 goal forward/mid
Rankine - worth 5 every day as a mid. I'd have preferred we played hard ball and got a second back, which could have kept getting pushed forward and would be handy in our hands right now. Remember this is a club that sent 7 with a salary dump in the same year we gave them 5 for Izaak.
Curtin - too early, but I'm confident he'll be worth every part of the pick we paid.


What will hold back our rebuild is the years prior. Only Fog looks like being value at the pick.

 

[1990crow]

We needed a mid.

It's disappointing Rachele isn't there yet as a mid, maybe this year. Can't put that on the recruiting team.

If Rachele could become a full time mid I'd back us to be top 4.

 

[ABAB]

The apologists for our terrible early drafting define the acceptance of mediocrity that now characterises too many Crows supporters. Our drafting team are doing a great job because anyone taken outside the top 10 can’t be any good anyway (all the while ignoring top 10 busts McAsey and Jones).

Same people tomorrow will be crying that we don’t have more later picks in this year’s draft because all of a sudden those picks are valuable again.

The discussion was the early picks for the last 4 draft?

 

[WaynesWorld19]

The apologists for our terrible early drafting define the acceptance of mediocrity that now characterises too many Crows supporters. Our drafting team are doing a great job because anyone taken outside the top 10 can’t be any good anyway (all the while ignoring top 10 busts McAsey and Jones).

Same people tomorrow will be crying that we don’t have more later picks in this year’s draft because all of a sudden those picks are valuable again.

Problem is, you're looking at the Crows Drafting in isolation ....and by assumption, other teams Draft better than us

The statistics don't support that POV ....and the Crows actually have a good comparative drafting record

McAsey was a mental health issue .....it wasn't the reason Denver Grainger-Barras was delisted at 22 YO, when HAW are supposed to be Drafting Guru's

Father / Son's / Academy have a huge bearing on Drafting success these days .....it was the cornerstone of GEEL's success

 

[1990crow]

Not sure how you've arrived at that conclusion ?

NWM has never played midfield at AFL ....Wing, HBF ...with still an outside game similar to Sholl

As critical as I've been of Rachele ...I'd back him, and what he's given glimpses of, playing midfield at AFL already

I mean, wing is closer than small forward.

 

[Cromulant]

Problem is, you're looking at the Crows Drafting in isolation ....and by assumption, other teams Draft better than us

The statistics don't support that POV ....and the Crows actually have a good comparative drafting record

McAsey was a mental health issue .....it wasn't the reason Denver Grainger-Barras was delisted at 22 YO, when HAW are supposed to be Drafting Guru's

Father / Son's / Academy have a huge bearing on Drafting success these days .....it was the cornerstone of GEEL's success

Don't use statistics in any argument, apparently they hold no bearing.