Resource 2024 AFL Draft discussion thread (Wed Nov 20 to Fri Nov 22)

[rocket18]

Would it be dumb for 5, 6 and 7?

I've just emailed Reid and suggested we do that trade so we can pick up a full back, a centre half back and a back flanker.

I also included some stock tips - in case he wanted to invest.

 

[Jeffcrowe]

The same could be said for Curtin last year and clubs not picking him before us.

Yep - i think that came down to them not rating him as a defender and not appreciating him as potentially something else

only time will tell who was right and same re Draper v Langford

 

[Dangarman]

If the talk of giving up a future first to move up two spots was crazy, then moving down to spots to get a juicy future first might make sense...

But my uneducated opinion is that we should grab the best of the gun four mids at pick 4.

 

[Cleric]

What’s the bet Hamish prefers Langford but the club would rather take homegrown Draper to avoid the backlash?

I just don’t understand how Langford isn’t being considered for pick 1. Cmon Hamish, pull a surprise. The melts on FB will be glorious too.

We don't need Langford. We have Dawson, Curtin and Edwards, we need speed and break away ability in the middle. Watch the highlights of Langford vs Draper.

 

[skam85]

I don't know - nobody outside the club (and AFL) knows. My guess is no - but it's only a guess.

Regardless, we're committed to re-drafting them in the RD. You can forget about paying them out and making an extra ND selection. It's not going to happen.

I'd love for someone to do it one day just so we know.

 

[Draft Bored]

Vader Can we still delist players today? This isn't a likelyhood question, just trying to understand the rule.

 

[George Kramer]

Vader Can we still delist players today? This isn't a likelyhood question, just trying to understand the rule.

Wouldn’t think so, you’ve given them no chance to nominate for the draft. We have delisted 2 players, we just have to not select them but I’m guessing that only opens rookie spots now

 

[CrowinNT]

I've just emailed Reid and suggested we do that trade so we can pick up a full back, a centre half back and a back flanker.

I also included some stock tips - in case he wanted to invest.

Hope you included some of our valued dogs105 insights

 

[Vader]

Vader Can we still delist players today? This isn't a likelyhood question, just trying to understand the rule.

No, absolutely not. At the very least, delisted players need to be afforded the opportunity to extend their AFL careers by nominating for the ND - and nominations closed last week.

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

The move here that Ogilvie is referring to is probably a trade with Richmond to get them above Melbourne.

If we're up at 4 and Draper, Langford and Tauru are still on the board which is looking highly likely we can probably move down to 6 and still take Draper.

4 RICH Langford
5 MELB Tauru
6 ADL Draper

I reckon they'd give up something fairly decent to get Richmond supporting Langford to their club.

Not worth risk of missing Draper (or Smith) imo.

We are perfectly placed at pick 4 to get a gun.

No guarantees at pick 6.

 

[WaynesWorld19]

Yep - i think that came down to them not rating him as a defender and not appreciating him as potentially something else

only time will tell who was right and same re Draper v Langford

Jeff, you're off base mate ....when will people understand in this Draft, Clubs are splitting players based on needs and in our case midfield mix ...all you have to do is listen to Draft Discussions ...it's all about what Club "A" is looking for in the Draft .....speed, height, KPP, small mids, big bodied mids ect

It has nothing to do with who is higher rated ..... everyone of those top 6-8 players will be good .....I even love Tauru, but we don't need that player type

 

[Gtowncrow]

Is there really a big difference between the player we would get at #4 v #2?

There is a chance it may be the same player!

Moving up likely benefits the Roos more than us as they are taking the same player.

We need to replace a few players next year, so we don't want to weaken our futures further. Also, would make it difficult to trade in a gun player should they become available.

Replacing second and third rounders should be pretty easy I think.

It's likely we will have some promising and younger players not in our 23 each week. This is a benefit of spending a decent amount of time at the draft with good picks to spend. Players like Dowling, Ryan, Edwards. We'll also have a few more mature players with trade value like Butts, Milera or Sholl. I don't suggest we trade them but they might be outside the team and would receive lower level draft picks easily.

We're close to a finished rebuild now. It's time right now to stop a future focus and instead think about this team... right now.

P.s.
I'll spew if Dodson ends up a 300 game player for Geelong. He's right there waiting for us to grab. But watch Geelong move up this draft
and turn him into a premiership ruck.

 

[Jeffcrowe]

Jeff, you're off base mate ....when will people understand in this Draft, Clubs are splitting players based on needs and in our case midfield mix ...all you have to do is listen to Draft Discussions ...it's all about what Club "A" is looking for in the Draft .....speed, height, KPP, small mids, big bodied mids ect

It has nothing to do with who is higher rated ..... everyone of those top 6-8 players will be good .....I even love Tauru, but we don't need that player type

Talent outweighs immediate needs

Especially in top 5 of a draft

It’s very close Draper v Langford , not as lopsided as some people in here think

It’s a top end midfield draft so I’ve course we are going to draft a midfielder , because we need one but because there are some very good ones

We would not be taking Jobe Shanahan at pick 4 just because we needed a tall forward

Melbourne won’t either at pick 5 even though they need a key forward desperately and likely won’t at pick 9 either ( according to Twomey )

 

[Mr MysteryGuest]

i love it how people don't have red flags that melb and richmond aren't expected to look closely at Draper

but have all sorts of red flags about Langford

i don't think we should trade back from pick 4 though, not a time to get tricky , just pick the one we rate highest out of Draper or Langford

yes, because richmond and melbourne have never overlooked star talent at the draft before.

It would be seriously misguided to worry too much about what other clubs are doing.

Twomey has said that there is a world where Smith makes it st kildae, does that mean ther are red flags on him too?

 

[hidden]

No, absolutely not. At the very least, delisted players need to be afforded the opportunity to extend their AFL careers by nominating for the ND - and nominations closed last week.

Vader - not sure if you can help us out with this one or not. Does the club have a separate pool limit for SANFL contracted players with us who are not on our primary list? If we do, any chance one of the 2 is not drafted but contracted as an SANFL player at the same rate that we would have to pay them as rookies?

 

[WaynesWorld19]

Talent outweighs immediate needs

Especially in top 5 of a draft

It’s very close Draper v Langford , not as lopsided as some people in here think

It’s a top end midfield draft so I’ve course we are going to draft a midfielder , because we need one but because there are some very good ones

We would not be taking Jobe Shanahan at pick 4 just because we needed a tall forward

Melbourne won’t either at pick 5 even though they need a key forward desperately and likely won’t at pick 9 either ( according to Twomey )

You are kidding yourself if you believe you can differentiate that top group of players based on talent .....for starters, it's agreed that differing Clubs will have players ranked differently

So are you saying the Clubs cannot agree on who is the more talented .....but you can

 

[Cromulant]

You are kidding yourself if you believe you can differentiate that top group of players based on talent .....for starters, it's agreed that differing Clubs will have players ranked differently

So are you saying the Clubs cannot agree on who is the more talented .....but you can

Of course they can, why would they tell us ??

 

[Scorpus]

Talent outweighs immediate needs

Especially in top 5 of a draft

It’s very close Draper v Langford , not as lopsided as some people in here think

It’s a top end midfield draft so I’ve course we are going to draft a midfielder , because we need one but because there are some very good ones

We would not be taking Jobe Shanahan at pick 4 just because we needed a tall forward

Melbourne won’t either at pick 5 even though they need a key forward desperately and likely won’t at pick 9 either ( according to Twomey )

Whatever happened to Matt Jefferson? Melbourne should probably give him a go at AFL level

 

[Jeffcrowe]

You are kidding yourself if you believe you can differentiate that top group of players based on talent .....for starters, it's agreed that differing Clubs will have players ranked differently

So are you saying the Clubs cannot agree on who is the more talented .....but you can

well i have draper just ahead of langford but v close


but each club has a different TALENT order no doubt but some might be quite similar

notice it's called a TALENT order and not a NEEDS order ?

 

[Jeffcrowe]

Whatever happened to Matt Jefferson? Melbourne should probably give him a go at AFL level

i think they should too, he's struggled but could still come good

next year is crucial for him

 

[Vader]

Vader - not sure if you can help us out with this one or not. Does the club have a separate pool limit for SANFL contracted players with us who are not on our primary list? If we do, any chance one of the 2 is not drafted but contracted as an SANFL player at the same rate that we would have to pay them as rookies?

Yes - the AFC has a salary cap for paying non-AFL players in the SANFL team.

No, we would not be able to use this mechanism to pay them, for several reasons.

Our SANFL salary cap is something like $200K, to be spread across all of our non-AFL players. I'm sure someone will provide the correct figure - it was quoted in the SANFL thread, but I didn't pay that much attention to it. Paying their AFL salary in the SANFL cap would obliterate the SANFL cap, leaving (almost) nothing for the rest of the SANFL players.

The AFL prohibits players from being paid AFL salaries if they are not on an AFL list. This is why we needed to keep Gibbs on our list after he retired, and Brisbane did the same thing with Michael Voss. If we want to include their salaries in our 2025 salary cap, then they need to be on our AFL list in 2025.

 

[jimvic]

Replacing second and third rounders should be pretty easy I think.

It's likely we will have some promising and younger players not in our 23 each week. This is a benefit of spending a decent amount of time at the draft with good picks to spend. Players like Dowling, Ryan, Edwards. We'll also have a few more mature players with trade value like Butts, Milera or Sholl. I don't suggest we trade them but they might be outside the team and would receive lower level draft picks easily.

We're close to a finished rebuild now. It's time right now to stop a future focus and instead think about this team... right now.

P.s.
I'll spew if Dodson ends up a 300 game player for Geelong. He's right there waiting for us to grab. But watch Geelong move up this draft
and turn him into a premiership ruck.

so trade 4 to Richmond for 6 & 20 - take best available mid at 6 & Dodson at 20

 

[Vader]

so trade 4 to Richmond for 6 & 20 - take best available mid at 6 & Dodson at 20

FFS - we don't have any list positions available. We are committed to picking 1 player + Welsh. There is no position available on our list for Dodson or any other 3rd player.

 

[Hodgy]

Talent outweighs immediate needs

Especially in top 5 of a draft

It’s very close Draper v Langford , not as lopsided as some people in here think

It’s a top end midfield draft so I’ve course we are going to draft a midfielder , because we need one but because there are some very good ones

We would not be taking Jobe Shanahan at pick 4 just because we needed a tall forward

Melbourne won’t either at pick 5 even though they need a key forward desperately and likely won’t at pick 9 either ( according to Twomey )

I can’t agree with talent outweighs needs. Maybe if there’s a Buddy Franklin available, but in general you simply have to address the weaknesses of your list. It’s been our biggest mistake in the last 10 years, not addressing the midfield with our top picks, and it’s the biggest reason of how uncompetitive we’ve been recently.

North might well take Tauru at 2 tomorrow, and you can be sure they don’t rate him the second best player. They are looking at list balance 100%.

 

[WaynesWorld19]

well i have draper just ahead of langford but v close


but each club has a different TALENT order no doubt but some might be quite similar

notice it's called a TALENT order and not a NEEDS order ?

So you agree, Clubs can't agree on who's the more talented player

Clubs trot out the old "we'll select best available line every year" ......yes, some years there's a distinguishable difference at the pointy end (Harley Reid, Daicos)

I'll guarantee you ....Clubs will magically find players in this Draft that will meet their needs .....spooky that, if what you were saying was true

Just hark back to the Gallucci v English Draft discussion .....did the Crows select on talent, or the need for speed with Gallucci

Other years, where we've said we need more elite kickers .....and magically we draft them

Our need at the moment is for midfield speed ......let's see shall we, hence the connection to Smith & Draper