Resource 2024 AFL Draft discussion thread (Wed Nov 20 to Fri Nov 22)

[Danger in Texas]

We also need to contrive our list to get four picks in the draft. Currently, we don't have that.

Unfortunately it’s pretty obvious that won’t be possible, if we also get the trio we’re chasing we’d need to open up 8 list spots

 

[Floating Doughnut]

By the way hat bone crunching tackle Ollie layed on Murphy Reid saw Reid limp off and take no further part. Don't know exactly what the injury was but might put Murphy Reid in doubt for the Combine. Doubt it would affect Reid's draft position because let's face it he's no athletic beast, pretty pedestrian speed wise and athletically but high end footy smarts, composure and elite skills.

Unfortunately looked like a knee to me when he squared him up.
By gee he is hard at it, hunts the ball and the man and loves a cuddle by the look.
First I have seen of him but surely on that and his QF he goes well inside 30 which Cal has his power ranking.

 

[Mutineer]

The highlights from that game are pretty impressive. Where is Hannaford projected to go?

Liking the future first for Luko + 20 trade suggestion even more when you consider the draft could roll this way:

4: Lalor
20: Dodson
25: Hannaford

Somehow upgrade 42 to a pick in the 30s for ANB.

I'm biased but I honestly believe he's the best goalkicking high pressure small forward in this draft, IMO Kako and Berry don't come close with their ferocity at the contest and opponent. It's not as though he can be pigeon-holes as "just" a small forward either.

As recruiters would have seen yesterday he matched it pretty bloody well against a Sandy Dragons midfield of Levi Ashcroft, Murphy Reid and Sam Marshall (all likely to go inside the top 10 or so) with 8 clearances and 24 disposals, 7 i50's and 1.1. Played last year and early this season as an attacking rebounding defender and was in the Rebels bests every week in that role.

 

[Mutineer]

Unfortunately looked like a knee to me when he squared him up.
By gee he is hard at it, hunts the ball and the man and loves a cuddle by the look.
First I have seen of him but surely on that and his QF he goes well inside 30 which Cal has his power ranking.

Yep he's a tough little bugger as well, I highlighted him last year when as an underager he had a great season playing the rebounding defender role. Best thing about it from a Crows point of view he has rellies in Adelaide and down around the Keith/Tintinara area.

 

[DJ75]

The highlights from that game are pretty impressive. Where is Hannaford projected to go?

Liking the future first for Luko + 20 trade suggestion even more when you consider the draft could roll this way:

4: Lalor
20: Dodson
25: Hannaford

Somehow upgrade 42 to a pick in the 30s for ANB.

If it ended up like this, with Luko, Cummins and ANB, it would be an outstanding result.

Makes the suggestion of 25 for ANB even more stupid.

 

[Danger in Texas]

If it ended up like this, with Luko, Cummins and ANB, it would be an outstanding result.

Makes the suggestion of 25 for ANB even more stupid.

Again, very likely not enough list spots for all that

I know I’m being defeatist, but we’ve pushed ourselves into a corner with what we can do (unless we can manage to convince contracted fringe guys like Jones and Schoenberg to look for a move, at late notice)

 

[jackster83]

Unfortunately it’s pretty obvious that won’t be possible, if we also get the trio we’re chasing we’d need to open up 8 list spots

We'd probably have to trade a contracted player. Don't think any of our uncontracted guys are worth anything.

 

[Danger in Texas]

We'd probably have to trade a contracted player. Don't think any of our uncontracted guys are worth anything.

That would be ideal, if anyone on the fringe is willing to move

Of course everyone’s first choice (including mine) would be to trade Murphy/Laird/Smith, but that’s clearly not happening

 

[DJ75]

Again, very likely not enough list spots for all that

I know I’m being defeatist, but we’ve pushed ourselves into a corner with what we can do (unless we can manage to convince contracted fringe guys like Jones and Schoenberg to look for a move, at late notice)

Why any club would limit their options by committing to fringe players is beyond me. So stupid.

 

[TBM]

Again, very likely not enough list spots for all that

I know I’m being defeatist, but we’ve pushed ourselves into a corner with what we can do (unless we can manage to convince contracted fringe guys like Jones and Schoenberg to look for a move, at late notice)

Or pay them out a year early. Burgess, Strachan (drafting a ruck would then be mandatory), Schoenberg are a few candidates. Doubt we'll do it sadly.

 

[Danger in Texas]

Why any club would limit their options by committing to fringe players is beyond me. So stupid.

Yeah, I mean Schoenberg was a prime trade candidate last year IMO, I remember discussing that point. I get why we offered him two years instead of one, but we need to learn when to cut players loose

Jones deserved probably a two-year extension given the season he was having, but three years was silly, given he was still basically a 14-20th guy. If he wanted a deal through to FA, give the extra year to him in 2025, if he deserved it

 

[Danger in Texas]

Or pay them out a year early. Burgess, Strachan (drafting a ruck would then be mandatory), Schoenberg are a few candidates. Doubt we'll do it sadly.

Does it happen much around the league at all, these days? Would be interesting to see a list of recent players delisted mid-contract (that weren't let go for off-field reasons, or weren't given the promise of being re-rookied)

 

[Mutineer]

Chris Cavanagh's scouting notes from the Coates Talent League Grand Final.

https://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/draft/afl-draft-2024-all-the-scouting-notes-and-news-from-the-coates-talent-league-grand-final/news-story/85fa51df1f805eba8eff9b741e9d8a99

Ollie Hannaford was the best for the Rebels. Picture: Chris Hyde

Chris Hyde

Age

42

Ht

186cm

Wt

80kg

Pos.

Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D

13.8

4star

K

7.3

3star

HB

6.4

4star

M

4.3

4star

T

2.1

4star

No current season stats available

D

5.4

2star

K

3.4

2star

HB

2.0

2star

M

2.0

3star

T

0.8

3star

/AFL Photos/via Getty Images
Draft bolter Ollie Hannaford was the Rebels’ best player in defeat, with the small forward spending significant time through the midfield and recording 24 disposals, nine tackles and a goal.

Fellow Rebels draft prospects Jack Ough (21 disposals) and Jonty Faull (10 disposals) also worked hard for their side throughout the day.

In the earlier Coates Talent League Girls grand final, the Oakleigh Chargers became the first team in the competition’s history to win back-to-back premierships as they took down the Eastern Ranges by 18 points.

Sienna Tallariti was awarded the best on ground medal for the Chargers, while Zoe Curry and Chloe Thorn also impressed.

SCOUTING NOTES​

SANDRINGHAM DRAGONS​

Levi Ashcroft

28 disposals, 8 marks, 7 inside-50s, 3 goals

The Brisbane Lions father-son prospect would be the No.1 pick if he were in an open draft. Ashcroft was simply sublime, capping a standout finals campaign with the Dragons. He started onball, before spending some time rotating forward. Some of his clearance work was brilliant, he used the footy well and he was kicking goals from everywhere. He snapped a great goal from tight on the boundary during the second quarter and kicked a beautiful drop punt from 40m out on the boundary line during the third term.

Sam Marshall

28 disposals, 5 marks, 6 inside-50s, 2 goals

A Brisbane Lions Academy member, Marshall only enhanced his standing in this year’s draft pool with a best-on-ground performance. He spent most of the day in the midfield and got involved multiple times in some possession chains, helped by running power, strong agility and clean hands. His groundball work also caught the eye, as did a one-handed loose ball gather in the second quarter which resulted in a snap goal from the pocket. Along with two goals himself, Marshall set up teammates for multiple score assists. He shapes as another beauty for Brisbane.

Levi Ashcroft did his stocks no harm. Picture: Martin Keep/AFL Photos via Getty Images
Lennox Hofmann

13 disposals, 5 marks, 4 rebound-50s

A St Kilda Next Generation Academy member, Hofmann has been a big improver this year and was one of the Dragons’ best in the Grand Final. A 190cm key defender, he was rock-solid down back spending time on dangerous Rebels key forwards Jonty Faull and Floyd Burmeister. He read the play well and recorded four intercept marks. There should have been a fifth, which was dropped in the third quarter, but Hofmann calmly mopped up. He also got some important spoils in at times. A player with plenty of promise.

Adrian Cole

5 disposals, 1 mark, 3 tackles

Similar to Hofmann, Cole is a rapidly-improving 195cm key defender who is also linked to St Kilda’s Next Generation Academy. With Dragons interceptor Luke Trainor missing the Grand Final through concussion, Cole and Hofmann had to step up – and they did. Cole is very much a lock-down defender and performed that role well against Rebels key forwards Jonty Faull and Floyd Burmeister to also finish among Sandringham’s best players in the win.

Harry Armstrong

8 disposals, 5 marks, 3 tackles, 4 goals

A strong-marking 195cm key forward who has attracted increasing interest from clubs since the under-18 national championships, Armstrong was the leading goalkicker on the ground in the Grand Final with four majors. He competed well and crashed packs – which is exactly what you want from a key forward. He’s also a beautiful set-shot goal. Three of Armstrong’s four goals game from set shots, while his one behind hit the post. There’s plenty of excitement about a player who is now expected to be a top-10 selection in November.

Murphy Reid
8 disposals, 1 goal

If you only saw the stats sheet, you would be puzzled as to why Reid was so quiet. The 180cm midfielder has been a consistent performer at all levels this season and regularly racks up plenty of ball with his clean hands and neat kicking going forward, which is why he is considered a top-10 draft prospect. Reid started the Grand Final well, with seven disposals and a goal in the opening quarter. However, he was hampered by a minor ankle issue and then suffered a knock to the knee early in the third quarter which ended his day early.

Harrison Oliver

17 disposals, 5 marks, 3 inside-50s

A small rebounding defender with a piercing left-foot kick, Oliver provided some good run and bounce off half-back. He came from the field early in the second quarter after being crunched in a marking contest, but later returned and had a reasonable afternoon.

Mitch Kirkwood-Scott

21 disposals, 10 marks, 8 rebound-50s

A 178cm rebounding defender, Kirkwood-Scott caught the eye with his running and bouncing off half-back. He broke the lines, read the play well, used the ball beautifully and showed a penetrating kick at times. It capped a strong season for Kirkwood-Scott, who was a gun junior cricketer before turning his attention to football.

GREATER WESTERN VICTORIA REBELS​

Ollie Hannaford

24 disposals, 2 marks, 9 tackles, 7 inside-50s

Earlier this year, recruiters thought they might be able to secure Hannaford with a very late draft pick. That is no longer the case. Hannaford started the year well at half-back but was even better after switching forward in the second half of the season. In the Grand Final he spent most his time in the midfield against the likes of Levi Ashcroft and Sam Marshall and held his own. Hannaford has good burst speed, can break the lines with his run and bounce, wins his own footy and applies plenty of tackling pressure when the footy is not in his possession. He kicked the Rebels’ first goal of the game midway through the second quarter – a set shot on a tight angle from outside 50m.

Jonty Faull

10 disposals, 5 marks, 6 inside-50s

A 195cm key forward, Faull was sidelined until June finished the year well. Recruiters still wonder if his back injury is hampering him a little, but Faull was a workhorse throughout the Grand Final. He presented well pushing higher up the ground as a link-up player and took some nice marks in the air. He only had one shot on goal in the fourth-quarter, though, missing a set shot.

Floyd Burmeister continues to impress. Picture: Riley Lockett/AFL Photos via Getty Images
Jack Ough

21 disposals, 7 marks, 5 tackles

A big bodied 194cm midfield who can also push forward, Ough is hard-at-it and a great size. He was tough in the contest and worked hard to find the footy throughout the day. He copped a heavy knock in the third quarter which felled him, but Ough picked himself up and played on.

Floyd Burmeister

10 disposals, 3 marks, 6 hitouts, 2 goals

The mobile 198cm forward who has been making the Rebels go ‘Wow’ in recent weeks had some more big moments. He plucked a one-handed mark in the last quarter and went back to slot a nice set shot goal. When he was rotating in the ruck, Burmeister put his huge leap on display for all to see. He’s also tough and competitive around the contest and wasn’t afraid to throw his weight around and make his presence felt on the field.

Rhys Unwin

19 disposals, 2 marks, 4 tackles, 6 inside-50s

Another strong performer for the Rebels, the 178cm small forward impressed again through the midfield in the absence of the injured Sam Lalor. Unwin is clever in traffic and uses the ball well on his preferred left-foot, with his midfield stint late in the year showing the versatility that he offers.

Harry Charleson

12 disposals, 3 marks, 3 rebound-50s

The younger brother of Port Adelaide’s Lachlan Charleson, the 182cm rebounding defender had a big first half of the year but a quieter finish. He had only three disposals in the first half, but lifted his output after the main break.

 

[Jeffcrowe]

That's my boy!!!

Absolute ripper lad too...plenty of SA rellies too

No small forward in this draft has close to Ollie's ferocity at the contest and as we can see he ain't no shrinking violet in the midfield as a bonus.

Pity we will blow any chance to get him

Just the type of player we need with our second pick

 

[Danger in Texas]

Pity we will blow any chance to get him

Just the type of player we need with our second pick

Hoping that if we don’t get Lukosius, and 25 goes for ANB, we can move our F2 into this year for him or someone similar

Would be dumb if we just decide to keep Gollant instead

 

[Mostyn]

Unfortunately it’s pretty obvious that won’t be possible, if we also get the trio we’re chasing we’d need to open up 8 list spots

Seven - four picks (including Welsh) and three trades/FA.

That's one more than we currently have room for.

 

[Mostyn]

Again, very likely not enough list spots for all that

I know I’m being defeatist, but we’ve pushed ourselves into a corner with what we can do (unless we can manage to convince contracted fringe guys like Jones and Schoenberg to look for a move, at late notice)

If I was an opposition team, I'd throw us a pick 35+ for Jones. I think he'd be a good cheap depth piece on a contending team.

 

[Danger in Texas]

Seven - four picks (including Welsh) and three trades/FA.

That's one more than we currently have room for.

Oh fair, didn't realise you were including Welsh

If I was an opposition team, I'd throw us a pick 35+ for Jones. I think he'd be a good cheap depth piece on a contending team.

Agree

Problem is, I guess he's just had a baby so probably wouldn't actively be looking to move

 

[Crows I Am]

The highlights from that game are pretty impressive. Where is Hannaford projected to go?

Liking the future first for Luko + 20 trade suggestion even more when you consider the draft could roll this way:

4: Lalor
20: Dodson
25: Hannaford

Somehow upgrade 42 to a pick in the 30s for ANB.

We wont have enough lists spots to draft that many players. We will be taking 1 or 2 kids plus Welsh.

Unless we try and move some more guys onto the rookie list.

 

[Draft Bored]

We wont have enough lists spots to draft that many players. We will be taking 1 or 2 kids plus Welsh.

Unless we try and move some more guys onto the rookie list.

Have we committed to Welsh? Is he actually worth drafting vs a kid at 25 assuming we had those 3 picks on draft night?

Regardless, the fact that this is an issue shows how atrocious our list management has been.

 

[Danger in Texas]

Have we committed to Welsh? Is he actually worth drafting vs a kid at 25 assuming we had those 3 picks on draft night?

Regardless, the fact that this is an issue shows how atrocious our list management has been.

I mean, he's played for our SANFL team all year, so it'd be pretty shocking if we didn't

 

[Dangerousfield]

Don't understand why we were giving contracts to very fringe players. If all our trades come in, looks like we're short of spots for the ND

 

[Cromulant]

Don't understand why we were giving contracts to very fringe players. If all our trades come in, looks like we're short of spots for the ND

Easy enough to delist and payout someone given we have the lower end of the payroll left on the list

 

[Crow till I die]

Easy enough to delist and payout someone given we have the lower end of the payroll left on the list

Really should have moved Berry on as he would likely have brought in a 2nd rounder of some capacity while he holds a bit of currency from late season form AND freed up an extra list spot. Still, the club could pay murphy's contract out and free up a list spot that way....

 

[Cromulant]

Really should have moved Berry on as he would likely have brought in a 2nd rounder of some capacity while he holds a bit of currency from late season form AND freed up an extra list spot. Still, the club could pay murphy's contract out and free up a list spot that way....

Unlikely to be his despite what everyone wants.

I'd have traded Berry too TBH