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[Bamboo Harvester]

If Carlton are really looking at a small goalkicking pressure forward with a high work rate, then there is an untried kid named Konstanty at the Swans who in his draft year in the under 18s for Gippsland Power was second in that comp overall for his pressure acts. In the Swans write up they say he plays in a similar way to Papley (which of course could be just the big sell to their supporters....) but he wouldn`t cost that much I imagine, although he would need time to develop and perhaps Carlton would rather someone straight away, but the Swans would seem to have that area covered quite well for at least a few years and the kid might want to get his career going sooner.

Swans also picked up Tom Hanily in the MSD, who is a 179cm forward/mid - so potentially plays a similar role to Konstanty.

The conspiracy theorist in me says that they may have recruited Hanily because Konstanty has informed them he's moving on, especially as he's still uncontracted - but either way, they're pretty well stacked with those small/medium forwards, so he may be looking elsewhere for more opportunities.

Could be a good pick up without the premium price tag....and we seem to have a pretty good trade relationship with the Swans going by recent history.

 

[bradfisher14]

I know we'll be saving our assets for the Campo boys, but with Cody a few years away, I hope we have a look at young Roo Will Phillips. Could be a great buy low and add a different dimension to our future midfield.

Too talented to go to waste and given his current playing circumstances, won't be expensive at all.

Injury prone, can't get a game for North and isn't setting the world on fire in the VFL. Pass.

 

[bigblueboy]

Why wouldn’t we be interested in Stengle?

• is better than any of our current small forwards.
• doesn’t require a trade.
• Has the Eddie Betts connection.
• Wants to play/train in Melbourne

$$$ is the obvious query.

 

[Garters]

Why wouldn’t we be interested in Stengle?

• is better than any of our current small forwards.
• doesn’t require a trade.
• Has the Eddie Betts connection.
• Wants to play/train in Melbourne

$$$ is the obvious query.

The Mrs Betts running his affairs piece may have more of an influence than we think.
Calling it....

 

[DangerousD]

With the Stengel chat, not only does the cap go up about $2M next year, it goes up another $600,000 the year after, with the average wage going up to about $520,000.

$850,000 if that’s what his price ends up being, is not a lot of money in the context of the new cap.

 

[SkyhorseTamer]

Why wouldn’t we be interested in Stengle?

• is better than any of our current small forwards.
• doesn’t require a trade.
• Has the Eddie Betts connection.
• Wants to play/train in Melbourne

$$$ is the obvious query.

$$$ is a huge query. As is balance. As is rewarding your own players. As is team ethos. As is risk in opening up a sharp drop off or losing players.

I don't see it as a worthwhile investment whatsoever. We are top 3 in the comp for points easily. 800k+ to do what? Help one of the best offended in the comp be a little bit better? Think that money is way better spent through the middle, on TDK and in the backline.

 

[branedotorg]

I know we'll be saving our assets for the Campo boys, but with Cody a few years away, I hope we have a look at young Roo Will Phillips. Could be a great buy low and add a different dimension to our future midfield.

Too talented to go to waste and given his current playing circumstances, won't be expensive at all.

i agree but he'd be crazy to come to us unless he's replacing Caroll as first midfield reserve.

It's an upgrade on the same spot at north but surely there'll be a team that can offer him game time, rather than bench time.

 

[The Blue Weirdo]

Stengle is almost 26, who is to say that Mots and Durds won't be his equal when they reach their prime?(or another young draftee)

My main reason against paying 850k for a free agent forward pocket is the message it sends to Weiters, TDK and the rest of the close to out of contract crucial players.
Harry, Charlie, Cripps and Walsh have reportedly taken lesser contracts to give the club greater chances of future success.

 

[swuzzlebubble]

Stengle

I'd have been more interested before the Williams revelation

 

[swuzzlebubble]

Harry, Charlie, Cripps and Walsh have reportedly taken lesser contracts to give the club greater chances of future success

I wouldn't be chasing Stengle but allowing us chasing someone is part of what you mention, as well as keeping current guys

 

[The Blue Weirdo]

I wouldn't be chasing Stengle but allowing us chasing someone is part of what you mention, as well as keeping current guys

I think a list manager would have to be careful that the contracts of future traded in players are relative to how much we value TDK, Weiters and Eli etc.
Paying extra for bonafide stars is expected, but I'm not sure that adding Stengle at his alleged price is money well spent.

 

[Arr0w]

I know we'll be saving our assets for the Campo boys, but with Cody a few years away, I hope we have a look at young Roo Will Phillips. Could be a great buy low and add a different dimension to our future midfield.

Too talented to go to waste and given his current playing circumstances, won't be expensive at all.

Never been a huge fan, even less now. Just doesn't impact the game

Why wouldn’t we be interested in Stengle?

• is better than any of our current small forwards.
• doesn’t require a trade.
• Has the Eddie Betts connection.
• Wants to play/train in Melbourne

$$$ is the obvious query.

Every side would want him, not sure 800+K is a sound investment for our club

 

[bigblueboy]

Stengle is almost 26, who is to say that Mots and Durds won't be his equal when they reach their prime?(or another young draftee)

My main reason against paying 850k for a free agent forward pocket is the message it sends to Weiters, TDK and the rest of the close to out of contract crucial players.
Harry, Charlie, Cripps and Walsh have reportedly taken lesser contracts to give the club greater chances of future success.

What if we just fall short again this year?
Reckon the message it sends is we are serious about winning the premiership now while this group is still together.
No way we lose Weltering and TDK - but there is going to be some collateral damage in the next two off-seasons.

 

[Aphrodite]

That poster is no longer a Carlton Mod and hasn't posted on our Board since last year.

Has nothing to do with Carlton Mods.

Take it up with Admin as suggested.

As for 'every time you open up a Carlton page', yes on the MB but not our Board.

*Bump


Enough of the Avatar flag talk.

Put the said poster on IGNORE - Simples


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[The Blue Weirdo]

What if we just fall short again this year?
Reckon the message it sends is we are serious about winning the premiership now while this group is still together.
No way we lose Weltering and TDK - but there is going to be some collateral damage in the next two off-seasons.

If you were in Austin's position, after signing up Stengle...what would you then offer Weiters and TDK to not risk losing them to another club?

 

[OurBoysInBlue]

What would it take to get LDU in Navy Blue?

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[FitzroyBlueBagger]

I’d offer Stengle $700K at 5 years, conversation about being part of team success alongside some incredible people and players, huge Melbourne club playing in front of huge crowds playing finals and in a premiership window…

Very good wage and competitive future team success…

That’s if we’re interested, maybe we could have another target lined up, different positional type?

Mrs Betts and Eddie no doubt will have a big impact on providing great guidance for him, balance of the financial and the best overall club fit for his remaining football career…

Hope we’re in with a shot, great small forward and would certainly improve our front half overall…

 

[WalshistheGOAT]

If we're linked to Stengle it means we have the cash. Just like with Hayward, our offer won't be the top offer with the likes of SoS and Dodo around with plenty of cash to blow.

If he's keen you make sure Weitering and TDK are signed up long term before you make any promises to him re $$.

If all that checks out u absolutely pull the trigger. Williams isn't a spring chicken and isn't a proven small fwd just yet, 4 fantastic weeks but no certainty. The rest of our smalls are either injury prone or ordinary, or both. Can clear up list spots to be used in improving our depth by bringing him in and flogging off a few of our sub par small fwds like Fantasia, Owies, Cunners etc.

Stengle is a fantastic player and would instantly improve both our offensive and defensive game. He's a wizard with ball in hand and gets plenty of it up the field too. Applies great pressure too.

 

[FitzroyBlueBagger]

If we're linked to Stengle it means we have the cash. Just like with Hayward, our offer won't be the top offer with the likes of SoS and Dodo around with plenty of cash to blow.

If he's keen you make sure Weitering and TDK are signed up long term before you make any promises to him re $$.

 

[Benaly28]

What would it take to get LDU in Navy Blue?

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Give them Marchbank and Cunners plus our first pick.

Not sure that still gets it done


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[NewDarkNavyBlues]

Hayward would have been perfect as he is strong overhead and has a huge leg on him. Stengle would be a delicious acquisition but I feel like there are too many suitors and we would forced to pay through the nose.

We still lack:

• 3rd tall (Will Hayward
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• electric small forward (Bobby Hill)
• classy, point of diff midfielder (Gulden, Rozee)
• another key tall

 

[HavUEvaSeenTheRain]

i wouldn’t be paying Stengel $850k but if we do and end up losing Weitering or TDK then it is completely unrelated. We will put an offer to them which will be as high as we are willing to go with or without Stengle’s contract.
We could lose the likes of Martin, Hewett, Kennedy, JSOS etc which could still hurt us.

 

[Opium]

Freo going with we're chasing Banfield

 

[DangerousD]

$$$ is a huge query. As is balance. As is rewarding your own players. As is team ethos. As is risk in opening up a sharp drop off or losing players.

I don't see it as a worthwhile investment whatsoever. We are top 3 in the comp for points easily. 800k+ to do what? Help one of the best offended in the comp be a little bit better? Think that money is way better spent through the middle, on TDK and in the backline.

This is actually really interesting, you’re right that we don’t struggle to score and if we just go off points against, we are bottom 6, but when you ask, what’s our weakness, it’s very rarely midfield or defence.

So maybe we are looking in the wrong areas, so how do you improve this area? I don’t see a key defender as helping much because it’s the huge supply going in to our D50 that’s killing us

 

[DangerousD]

Stengle is almost 26, who is to say that Mots and Durds won't be his equal when they reach their prime?(or another young draftee)

My main reason against paying 850k for a free agent forward pocket is the message it sends to Weiters, TDK and the rest of the close to out of contract crucial players.
Harry, Charlie, Cripps and Walsh have reportedly taken lesser contracts to give the club greater chances of future success.

Not related to Stengel but I don’t think those players would give a crap.

The Tigers went and got Lynch for around $1M after one premiership.

The Cars went and paid $900,000 for Cameron as they were pushing for a flag.

Our players now the lay of the land and I’m sure they want success.