That is a good forward line that will keep an opposition defence on its toes. Throw in Mots as well and it doesn't lack for much. We saw last year that Jack was able to sustain a run of games in the second half of the season and be quite influential. Hoping for something similar this year.
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Noted we agree & disagree.
Martin’s clean one touch attack on the ball was evident in his last game for us - albeit for 60 mins of football!
Yes I think he has the capability to have 20 possessions & 4 goals in a GF - a possibility for a Norm - why not?
They’re taking him very conservatively - in the knowledge he can break a game open. I can’t wait to see our forward line humming - our F50 efficiency is already off the charts.
I’m not wedded to Marchbank or Cunners, other than there is half a season & finals to come.
Look at Williams - a few weeks ago many here couldn’t find a place for him.
Let’s see what unfolds.
He’s more likely to ping a calf in an earlier final in the first quarter than kick 4 goals, have 20 posies and win a Norm Smith….way more likely, his body is cooked and we should be moving past him and Cuners.
Only one I’d keep is Marchy and that’s just for KPD insurance or a miracle happens and he gets continuity in his game.
He has played 3 games in a row now which is reaching unicorn levels already…
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Which is why you bring in Stengle, by the time he retired, Motlop will be the senior and you bring in another kid.
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Maybe maybe not.
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Because Martin has never kicked 4 goals and had more than 20 in his career, has kicked 4 goals in a game about 4 times in his career.
He’s solid and until now has made us better, but his output isn’t close to what you suggest.
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No pressure up the field was the issue, Cincotta and Fogarty have helped that. Ideally putting on pressure wouldn’t be a specialised role and instead everyone would do it, but it just doesn’t seem to happen at carlton.
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Remember Hardwick talking about drafting during the years of Tigers dominance, pretty much said they prioritised tackling and pressure over disposal.
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Dependent on the ongoing form/fitness of Williams (yes, I know) - we arguably already have that coverage in place.
E.Hollands McKay Fogarty
Martin/JSOS Curnow Williams
With Motlop, Durdin developing at the lower level don't I believe that it's the pressing need that others do.
I see our midfield & defence as a greater priority.
If we can control & use the ball more effectively, the above setup can definitely win us a flag.
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Relying on the fitness of Williams and Martin is foolish. Both are fantastic to have when fit, but when ur two most damaging smalls are renowned for their inability to stay on the park then its ridiculous to pass up a durable, proven performer like Stengle.
Our reported interest in Hayward tells me Austin is of a similar opinion
Biggest weakness is a burst type mid
williams is the 700k small fwd with motlop...so no need to double up with motlop
Other weakness is a 2nd tall defender
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There's nothing foolish about it given I've also highlighted depth of which we have some handy types in the mix. It's the only third of the ground where we can throw up players like JSOS, Motlop & Durdin (who Austin re-signed so obviously rates) as depth.
Nobody is passing him up, not that I'm in a position to either way, he'd represent a quality addition I just don't see it as the priority that you do.
Hayward is a drastically different player to Stengle and would essentially be replacing Martin in the above line-up so I'm not sure where you're going there & we'll leave it at that.
Yep after playing in a premiership in exchange for pick 11
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Agree.
We can kick winning scores. Ball use & control of play have been bigger concerns for me.
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I’d take 4 goals in a GF wouldn’t you?
So many here forget how influential he was last season at the pointy end.
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Our forwards can score and our defenders can defend…
Our midfield needs to stop allowing so many inside 50s to the opposition…
We need another elite midfielder that can defend, that’s where my resources would be going…
Our midfield needs to stop allowing so many inside 50s to the opposition…
We need another elite midfielder that can defend, that’s where my resources would be going…
Sure players want appropriate dollars but most value mateship and success very highly.
A club’s trajectory and culture are just as important as any deal Austin puts on the table.
Different question might be: Does offering overs to Stengle have the potential to detrimentally impact the trajectory or culture of the team?
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We've been missing Cerra most of the year who is our 3rd best midfielder and extremely good defensively. Not sure how we're going to fit anyone else in when we already have Cripps Walsh Cerra Hewett Kennedy as our mainstay mids.
That's the bit that's missing in our team. We are so good at winning the ball that it glosses over this weakness. Those rare occasions when we get beaten in the middle and aren't the team getting the clearances and first hands on it we don't respond well like some some of the other sides out there such as Collingwood the last few seasons and now Sydney. Teams where if the opposition get first hands on it they go into defensive pressure mode and can close quickly, apply elite pressure, tackled and force turnovers and grind teams down. What Sydney did to us and what Collingwood have done to us when they beat us the last few seasons.
We've got better but there is room for some better closing speed, tackling and pressure in there for those moments where we aren't winning the ball. I think this was what we were looking at when we drafted Cooper lord. Repeat efforts, high intensity, closes quickly, tackles hard, applies elite pressure.
As you said, apart from that we have most things pretty well covered.
Having Cerra in there would help a bit IMO, he's not to bad in this regard.
I think Hollands has added a bit and taking a ruck out and upping the midfield rotations also has helped.
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Hewett or Kennedy would be pushed out
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If the rumours are true, that we are now talking to Banfield after missing out on Hayward. Obviously we are trying to replace Martin…
If we find a replacement don’t see Martin on the list next year…
If we find a replacement don’t see Martin on the list next year…
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And what if the rumours aren't true?
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As I said Martin likely to stay on the list…
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Not sure if we'd be that interested in the 11 touches a game, just over half a goal a game Banfield.
Plenty of seasons where he's played less than 10 games per year as well.
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