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Now trade period is done and Cinc is upgraded, how many new players can we add?
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Haven't seen anything from the club about Cinc - where was this reported?
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I don't agree, and the reason is his effective mobility. Can't seem to carry the ball or stop a quick defender. And all of this is ignoring that Saad is by far our best small defender.
Cowan is taller, stronger, faster, better aerially and a better kick. If the senior players and coaching group are doing their job he should be competing for this spot.
We'll have some injuries anyway, so even if Cowan has form, Newman probably still gets a shot.
Notice that I've written mid/fwd twice, and fwd/mid once? Perhaps there's a priority being assigned there.
It's not that sluggish without Kennedy, and the rotations I'm clearly setting up there involve Hollands, Kemp, and to a lesser extent Docherty, Cuningham, and Fogarty.
You've also got Williams and Saad on the overlap from defence, which supplements the outside run from HB to HF.
Who am I missing from the remaining names on the list to improve that? Hollands isn't elite pace, he's elite endurance, hence the critical defensive efforts and limited attacking runs so far.
Other than that, it's the Irish blokes, Corey Durdin, and Carroll? Cupboard is bare right now. DFA period will be important, and I'm stunned we've persisted with Sam Durdin for another year.
Cuningham has plenty of firepower if he's fit, while Fogarty sets up others. Motlop is boom and bust as a forward and may wind up delivering as many goals and assists from the midfield. I want him developing there in the VFL and then picking him on form.
Owies is solid but he's not necessarily creating goals that Harry or Jack can't. If Jack isn't performing (and he very much was prior to injury), then the conversation changes.
They both have to develop: Motlop on-ball ability and tank, Durdin ability to present up the ground without taxing himself.
There are few players better than Cuningham with the ball in hand in or around the F50, he's actually freakish. It's keeping him fit that seems to be the problem now.
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It’s a screenshot from that copy & paste Twitter account - ‘Sources:’
Nothing official from the Club.
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What is everyone’s take with Binns
Racked the football up in the vfl this year
Won the VFL BNF in the VFL team of the year. Thought he might of got a couple of looks but didn’t. Good development year
Is he lacking some strengths to get in the afl side? Hollands played a lot more than him similar running abilities?
Racked the football up in the vfl this year
Won the VFL BNF in the VFL team of the year. Thought he might of got a couple of looks but didn’t. Good development year
Is he lacking some strengths to get in the afl side? Hollands played a lot more than him similar running abilities?
Would never say Cincotta not worthy, but it makes no sense at all.It’s a screenshot from the copy & paste Twitter account ‘Sources:’
Nothing official from the Club.
He has had one year on the rookie list, and is entitled to a further two.
Boyd has had 2 1/2 years, rule changes allow him and Mirkov, who has had similar tenure to have another year. Surely Boyd and Matt Cottrell would be more appropriate for promotion, although Cotts time did reset last year.
I believe there is a huge chance we elevate two rookies this year.Then one per year thereafter ideally.
Say Boyd and Cottrell
then perhaps Cincotta (unless Mirkov comes good post surgery)
followed by O’Keeffe
Then we would get to the Irish lads hopefully.
It is reasonable to assume we would prefer to retain all of the above. Akuei would need elevation if we surprisingly retain him, and then Sam Durdin may be required longer term if preferred to Young as Weitering’s insurance.
Many posters don’t realise how good our list is, and how tight we will be for list spots from next year.
If we assume that we pick up the Camporeale boys, it would not surprise to then just promote one rookie and be done.
Those who immediately scoff at my assertions, I ask you to tell me how you get three required list changes from the following out of contract players (assuming they are fit), let alone more spots?
Fogarty
Carroll
Corey Durdin
Martin
Marchbank
Cuningham
Owies
plus any elevated rookies from this year.
Barring Carroll and injured Durdin, that entire list played the majority of games in the back half of the season.
Our list is stacked. Newman(31 in January) then Doc(30j, Saad, Williams, McGovern are our 29 plus year olds. Martin, Cripps and Acres 28. It might be a while until they are pensioned off to create spots.
We have a log jam. May have a couple drop off next year, but from then on, any changes will be brutal and likely unwarranted. #Russianroulette
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It’s a mystery, I think he will be better than Hollands, think it’s been well documented that form in the 2s didn’t translate to a place in the seniors.
The theory is that he’s slight & was getting protection and time to grow, he did improve out of sight as the season went on. Think he will be a very good player, question will be when he gets his shot at it.
Don’t think it will be that hard, not all on your list will improve & an injury to Cunners/Marchy will pretty much stamp their papers.
Martin is the only bonafide & proven talent on that list.
Look at the top 6 clubs this year & it’s pretty obvious that Owies, Fog, Durds is the weakest group of smalls. They either need to improve drastically or be replaced with more talent.
Harsh, but pretty fair when u look at other contending lists & what they have shown to date
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At this very early stage, the following is my guess
Owies - delist/trade
Fog - delist
Caroll - delist / trade
Depending on who we draft, one of S durdin or young to go.
Cuningham- maybe delist depending on E hollands form.
Still think we take 3 draftees this year to build depth at a low cost.
Owies - delist/trade
Fog - delist
Caroll - delist / trade
Depending on who we draft, one of S durdin or young to go.
Cuningham- maybe delist depending on E hollands form.
Still think we take 3 draftees this year to build depth at a low cost.
Like most years there will be 7-8 changes and while there are more likely candidates, it's way to early to tell
Perfect example is Fogarty, who I had as a delist at the start of the year, but thought he embraced his role
Perfect example is Fogarty, who I had as a delist at the start of the year, but thought he embraced his role
Marchbank also a possibility pending injury. Boyd and Cincotta could easily be delisted if they have a bad year. Even Cottrell though he would need a very bad year. One of Mirkov and O'Keefe almost a certainty to go.
O'Keffee won't be going anywhere
Unlikely. He would need to show almost no progress next year to get delisted. Mirkov much more likely to leave of the 2.
Preliminary Final to Premiership Roadmap
Curious to hear people's thoughts:
1) What 'went wrong' in the PF? What are the strategic or personnel weaknesses that led to the loss?
2) Which of these weaknesses/issues have we addressed in personnel?
Curious to hear people's thoughts:
1) What 'went wrong' in the PF? What are the strategic or personnel weaknesses that led to the loss?
2) Which of these weaknesses/issues have we addressed in personnel?
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Considering the situation we found ourselves in around the mid season mark, it was a remarkable achievement just to make the Prelim.
Lions mauled our midfield after quarter time, too much run and carry, relentless exiting from defence.
Not sure we can solve these issues over 1 pre-season, ZWilliams will be a big inclusion and hopefully Eli can firstly make our best 22, and secondly give our forwards better delivery.
An improved TDK and JSOS ruck division would help our agility also.
Can't see us slipping below top 4 next year.
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reckon we looked cooked, having to win what, 13 out of 14 matches?
to improve we need to stop losing 'easy' games (essendon and saints games early in the season for example) and get a top 4 spot.
even so, i still think luck played it's part, if we'd played Collingwood, not Brisbane i think we were a very, very good chance to go through to the GF, on emotion as much as quality.
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I think we are in a good spot with our list, with long term contract to our key players.
The learnings from making the Prelim will be enormous.
The players will now know what is needed to make and win finals, and will be more of a sponge to the coaches - as it has been proven that the buy in to the game plan works.
We had too many players that didn't have a good preseason and that has contributed to us being cooked at the end of the season
So, I'm hoping for a big preseason, natural improvements from our players, better game plan and a sprinkling of additional players i.e. ZWilliams, Binns and EHollands
Bring on 2024!
The learnings from making the Prelim will be enormous.
The players will now know what is needed to make and win finals, and will be more of a sponge to the coaches - as it has been proven that the buy in to the game plan works.
We had too many players that didn't have a good preseason and that has contributed to us being cooked at the end of the season
So, I'm hoping for a big preseason, natural improvements from our players, better game plan and a sprinkling of additional players i.e. ZWilliams, Binns and EHollands
Bring on 2024!
I think we let Brisbane beat us at the contest, stopped applying pressure to the ball carrier, stopped creating/looking for attacking options, and stopped running as a whole. We played like we were afraid to lose rather than trying to win. Tactically we should also have locked down on Coleman and made a mistake playing the 2 rucks (though not sure we had an alternative)
I think these factors were partly mental, partly an off-day and partly fatigue due to a long finals campaign.
Personnel wise our defenders mostly played well though we did lack attacking options from the back half. Our rucks and mids were poor (Walsh aside) though there is enough evidence to suggest they just had an off day. Mckay aside all our forwards were poor with our small forwards / half forwards being a big issue again. I see that as the weakest spot on our list going forward.
E.Hollands if he comes on can help address this while you would expect Motlop and Durdin to improve given their age. If Fog is playing a lot of games next year we will struggle as he just offers nothing aside from defensive pressure. Cunningham too goes missing too often though I'd like to see him after a full preseason.
A fit Williams also gives us more run and dare from the back half which we lacked at times, making us less reliant on Saad. Whilst Cincotta and Boyd can run and are good users they just don't win enough of the ball to do real damage. Doch could help there too though we seem to prefer playing him further up the ground.
I also think we still need to work out our backup ruck strategy is it's not ideal having to play the 2 ruckman. Harry should train for this role over preseason. Would make us a much more balanced side and give us much more flexibility.
Do we have to elevate someone from the rookie list this year?
Joel Smith on drugs made us work harder in the semi and we had nothing left
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Outside looking in, I think we wanted him to work on his defensive awareness/positioning before unleashing him in the seniors. This is something that has been a strength for Hollands since juniors, hence why he got an opportunity earlier.
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Yes. As it stands, we have one too many rookies. So at least one has to be elevated.
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yep. massive fan of Mannagh. How would we bring him in? would we need to draft him??
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