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[bluesDeluxe]

Thoughts on Menegola as DFA - senior body for the VFL and could fill a need with injuries?

27 touches in his last game round 24.

Did you watch that game?

Most of the 27 were turnovers

 

[bluesDeluxe]

Cannot believe the above discussion on Menegola. His prime position is WING, can go inside, like Acres can go inside. He is not cheap depth for Cripps. At his age with Acres, Hollands(x2), Cottrell, Binns who can’t get a game and two father/sons to come in that area of the ground

I get conversation and interaction is in a limbo period, but please can we keep an element of practicality. I read basically every word written on these pages, and this period is very challenging.

Any vacant list spots are for players who potentially can improve us for the foreseeable future. I have no issue with discussions on a Mannagh type who may offer an upgrade to our small forward group on the cheap, but late in the draft, any spots are surely for speculative hidden treasure types like an immature or perhaps injury hidden KPP prospects like Caminiti we had secreted away before JSOS opened his mouth to his dad and gifted them a long term KPP player for nicks.

Unless we keep a spot for SSP or MSD considerations pending pre or early season injuries, every pick now must be a possible or potential upgrade in a position of need. A project player or a point of difference type PLEASE.

Luke Lloyd?

 

[FlowersByIrene]

What about Jackson Hately as a medium mid/Fwd?

Awful player

 

[thylacine60]

Awful player

say it nicely please.........

 

[Coona Blues]

My take is we need another mature KPP type player on our list. Brodie McLaughlin or someone similar is what we need.

We now have a lot of runners/mid types on our list and probably another 1 or 2 in the draft

I agree we need another KPP type, but dispute the need for a mature one.

Harry and Charlie are our long term front line KPF. TDK may play considerable forward minutes depending on ruck mix, and certainly could be deployed in a key position if one of the big two are not available. Silvagni can perform a role as third tall and step up as the second target if availability demands. Martin, E.Hollands and Kennedy can provide somewhat of a tallish threat in the front half. Lemmey developing, and the possibility to redeploy Kemp and/or Young or even Durdin.

McLaughlin is a solid depth player, but is not pushing in to the best 22 any time soon. Surely, at present, Nigel Durdin is that mature back up, at both ends.

The other end Weitering is the staple, with structures built around him. McGovern is a mature piece, but not a KPD despite seemingly commanding the second banana spot by tenure, with Marchbank and Kemp, despite lacking a little height playing roles around that second tall. Lewis Young has the tools to become a staple and would improve the balance, but is seemingly behind the other three options in our preferred structure. Again Durdin is the genuine KP backup.

The numbers are certainly adequate, but unless Young can reclaim the number two spot, we are looking at establishing a progression plan, generation next, I like to call it. While we are struggling to get our hands on top end picks, we need to find our next defensive key in the next one to three years and ideally have them ready for top team action around the time JW hits 30 yo.

I would rather take a speculative throw at the stumps with any late picks over more mature depth unlikely to be called upon. It may take a couple of throws at the stumps in coming years, and we may have to revert to the pointy end of the draft or perhaps a trade/free agency scenario down the track.

Lemmey’s development aside, we will be looking to blood new key position types around the time Tassie gets a raft of draft concessions. It will be difficult to impossible to play catch up at that time.

 

[bigm386]

Curious what the plan is for Jack Carroll this year. Rate him but turning 21 and still only played a handful of games.

His VFL form has been ok, but doesn't really standout.

Needs to have a dip this off season and hopefully get a string of AFL games.

 

[agro]

What about Jackson Hately as a medium mid/Fwd?

Definitely only VFL standard.

 

[branedotorg]

Curious what the plan is for Jack Carroll this year. Rate him but turning 21 and still only played a handful of games.

His VFL form has been ok, but doesn't really standout.

Needs to have a dip this off season and hopefully get a string of AFL games.

got talent, occasional flashes of grit in the VFL but struggles to impose himself on games.

make or break season for sure.

 

[Soapy V]

I agree we need another KPP type, but dispute the need for a mature one.

Harry and Charlie are our long term front line KPF. TDK may play considerable forward minutes depending on ruck mix, and certainly could be deployed in a key position if one of the big two are not available. Silvagni can perform a role as third tall and step up as the second target if availability demands. Martin, E.Hollands and Kennedy can provide somewhat of a tallish threat in the front half. Lemmey developing, and the possibility to redeploy Kemp and/or Young or even Durdin.

McLaughlin is a solid depth player, but is not pushing in to the best 22 any time soon. Surely, at present, Nigel Durdin is that mature back up, at both ends.

The other end Weitering is the staple, with structures built around him. McGovern is a mature piece, but not a KPD despite seemingly commanding the second banana spot by tenure, with Marchbank and Kemp, despite lacking a little height playing roles around that second tall. Lewis Young has the tools to become a staple and would improve the balance, but is seemingly behind the other three options in our preferred structure. Again Durdin is the genuine KP backup.

The numbers are certainly adequate, but unless Young can reclaim the number two spot, we are looking at establishing a progression plan, generation next, I like to call it. While we are struggling to get our hands on top end picks, we need to find our next defensive key in the next one to three years and ideally have them ready for top team action around the time JW hits 30 yo.

I would rather take a speculative throw at the stumps with any late picks over more mature depth unlikely to be called upon. It may take a couple of throws at the stumps in coming years, and we may have to revert to the pointy end of the draft or perhaps a trade/free agency scenario down the track.

Lemmey’s development aside, we will be looking to blood new key position types around the time Tassie gets a raft of draft concessions. It will be difficult to impossible to play catch up at that time.

My take is you draft a tall for the future but we need a mature tall for now. We are in the window and depth is vital and we have bugger all back for McKay & Charlie

 

[Blue__Balls]

I agree we need another KPP type, but dispute the need for a mature one.

Harry and Charlie are our long term front line KPF. TDK may play considerable forward minutes depending on ruck mix, and certainly could be deployed in a key position if one of the big two are not available. Silvagni can perform a role as third tall and step up as the second target if availability demands. Martin, E.Hollands and Kennedy can provide somewhat of a tallish threat in the front half. Lemmey developing, and the possibility to redeploy Kemp and/or Young or even Durdin.

McLaughlin is a solid depth player, but is not pushing in to the best 22 any time soon. Surely, at present, Nigel Durdin is that mature back up, at both ends.

The other end Weitering is the staple, with structures built around him. McGovern is a mature piece, but not a KPD despite seemingly commanding the second banana spot by tenure, with Marchbank and Kemp, despite lacking a little height playing roles around that second tall. Lewis Young has the tools to become a staple and would improve the balance, but is seemingly behind the other three options in our preferred structure. Again Durdin is the genuine KP backup.

The numbers are certainly adequate, but unless Young can reclaim the number two spot, we are looking at establishing a progression plan, generation next, I like to call it. While we are struggling to get our hands on top end picks, we need to find our next defensive key in the next one to three years and ideally have them ready for top team action around the time JW hits 30 yo.

I would rather take a speculative throw at the stumps with any late picks over more mature depth unlikely to be called upon. It may take a couple of throws at the stumps in coming years, and we may have to revert to the pointy end of the draft or perhaps a trade/free agency scenario down the track.

Lemmey’s development aside, we will be looking to blood new key position types around the time Tassie gets a raft of draft concessions. It will be difficult to impossible to play catch up at that time.

I'd like to think that Lemmey or O'Keeffe could play some games next year if we needed injury cover. You're not going to get peak Charlie or Harry output from them, but that should never be the expectation for a developing young tall anyway.

Van Rooyen was drafted in 2021 with a late first rounder, played 20 games in his second season and kicked 28 goals while offering a bit of ruck relief.

Amiss, taken a bit earlier in that same draft, played 22 games in his second year and kicked 41 goals.

Owens, taken in the second round of the same year, played 23 games for 26 goals, having played 7 games in his first season on a list.

Caminiti, SSP recruit at the start of this year, played the season as a 19yo and notched 18 games for 19 goals.

None of these guys had the benefit of playing second fiddle to a Coleman medallist.

At some point soon we're going to need to bite the bullet and give a kid a run. Expectations shouldn't be too high, but it's not unrealistic to think that O'Keeffe or Lemmey could come in and put on something close to a goal-a-game average playing out of the square. May not be a complete game with bailout marks up the wing and pinpoint passes inside 50, but you're probably not getting that from a budget mature KPP recruit either.

 

[Soapy V]

Curious what the plan is for Jack Carroll this year. Rate him but turning 21 and still only played a handful of games.

His VFL form has been ok, but doesn't really standout.

Needs to have a dip this off season and hopefully get a string of AFL games.

Needs an injury free run. Is a genuine mid that can find the ball. Not that quick and skills just okay so needs to find the ball more often to be a player

 

[CJMB]

got talent, occasional flashes of grit in the VFL but struggles to impose himself on games.

make or break season for sure.

From memory he started to do better once Dow was out of the team and he was playing more midfield minutes, quick glance across the back half of the year & he looked to be averaging about 25. Still only 20 and putting on size. Out of contract next year though, so would want to do a bit more to secure himself an extension.

 

[katmanblue]

Nah, you can park the gaslighting crap too. You don't get to pretend that the person calling out your poor behaviour is the unreasonable one.

Ed retired, wasn't delisted. He also played 17 games in 2023.
Dow was traded despite us offering him a moderate contract, he played 10 games in 2023.

That's two depth mids that we called upon 27 times between them that have moved on. To date, we've replaced them with a half-forward who may one day progress to the midfield, and two Irish converts who haven't played a game of AFL in their lives.

We may draft a quality inside midfielder, and if we do nab one who is somewhat AFL-ready then I'll happily concede that a mature ager is less of a priority. But if we draft, for example, an 18yo KPD and an 18yo small forward, then our on-ball depth is Kennedy, Carroll and then moving blokes from other positions.

And once again - I am not arguing for Menegola over anyone else. No other names have been put forward as a point of comparison. I am simply conveying that I think there is merit in discussing the option, in cournterpoint to your rather rude assertion that anyone suggesting such players is wasting your time (something you seem quite capable of yourself) or has a silly ulterior motive.

How many games did Ed play predominantly as a mid?

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[JuddgementDay]

Curious what the plan is for Jack Carroll this year. Rate him but turning 21 and still only played a handful of games.

His VFL form has been ok, but doesn't really standout.

Needs to have a dip this off season and hopefully get a string of AFL games.

It’s likely to be part of the planned strategy of trading Dow and retiring Ed, to give guys like Carroll & Binns more exposure to their primary position in VFL - and then some games in the senior too

 

[CJMB]

How many games did Ed play predominantly as a mid?

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Ed & Paddy combined for 257 of 2696 CBAs in 2023, about 9.5%.

Cripps 17.9%
Hewett 12.5%
Pitto 12.0%
Cerra 11.9%
Walsh 9.6%
TDK 12.3%
Dow 5.1%
Kennedy 4.8%
Ed 4.5%
Doch 4.3%
DC 2.1%
Carroll 1.7%
Fog 1.6%
SOS 1.6%
Young 0.5%
Fish 0.3%
Harry 0.1%
Durdin 0.04%
Martin 0.04%
Hollands 0.04%
Acres 0.04%

 

[The Bighouse]

Needs an injury free run. Is a genuine mid that can find the ball. Not that quick and skills just okay so needs to find the ball more often to be a player

Any danger in an improvement in the skills dept (the whole squad can tune-in as well)…

 

[Sin City]

Curious what the plan is for Jack Carroll this year. Rate him but turning 21 and still only played a handful of games.

His VFL form has been ok, but doesn't really standout.

Needs to have a dip this off season and hopefully get a string of AFL games.

Should get some decent opportunities this year. We’ve lost Ed, Dow and Setterfield the last few years and it seems playing four on ballers in the 22 and another as sub was the preferred structure this year.
That’d mean Carroll was the next one in as soon as there was an injury or suspension, after that it’ll be up to him to make the most of his opportunities.

 

[Lace_Out]

We forget Jack is bottom age. I was super excited when he 1st came, just heaps of talent.
Stagnated somewhat and have tempered my expectations but by no means written him off. Now is when we should see him go up another level after hopefully a big pre season.

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[Arr0w]

I hope there is a balance and IMHO our focus should be on the following needs

• KPD - A draftee, hopefully that has versatility to swing forward, as we do have S Durdin and Young currently as backup spine players
• Impact HFF/Mid - With acquiring E Hollands, would also be satisfied with going to the draft for this type. Players with some more burst compared to what's currently on the list

Caveat, I don't want us to reach to satisfy these needs, so if they are within the range of our rankings, take them, otherwise go best available still on our rankings

 

[Soapy V]

Any danger in an improvement in the skills dept (the whole squad can tune-in as well)…

I hope it’s a focus for the whole list over the summer

 

[Arr0w]

Any danger in an improvement in the skills dept (the whole squad can tune-in as well)…

I think much of this is also gameplan related

A perfect example is Cottrell, who struggled with disposal under the Teague gameplan, but has improved dramatically under Voss's hitup disposal on the spread

 

[The Bighouse]

I think match of this is also gameplan related

A perfect example is Cottrell, who struggled with disposal under the Teague gameplan, but has improved dramatically under Voss's hitup disposal on the spread

Skills of the majority of players have huge RFI. Should be an area of focus in off-season, pre-season, in-season and every session including in the ice-baths.

In relation to Jack Carroll, it needs to be improved greatly (starting at VFL level) to become a player.

 

[Arr0w]

Skills of the majority of players have huge RFI. Should be an area of focus in off-season, pre-season, in-season and every session including in the ice-baths.

Like we saw from Teague to Voss, our effectiveness improved dramatically with a basic structure gameplan.

As we add more layers there will be some speed humps until those layers are embedded with continuous continuity

In relation to Jack Carroll, it needs to be improved greatly (starting at VFL level) to become a player.

Jack is still young and with Dow departing he will be the VFL top dog mid, where he is better suited rather than splitting his time at HF

Backing him in for a big year

 

[JuddgementDay]

Like we saw from Teague to Voss, our effectiveness improved dramatically with a basic structure gameplan.

As we add more layers there will be some speed humps until those layers are embedded with continuous continuity


Jack is still young and with Dow departing he will be the VFL top dog mid, where he is better suited rather than splitting his time at HF

Backing him in for a big year

Bring me those "layers" - we have to move beyond reliance on individual brilliance, players efforts and intensity - this should be a given baseline.

We need to evolve with a variety of game plans, both as a pro-active switch and a re-active switch

I'm really looking forward to seeing these layers - bring on 2024

 

[BigFrizz36]

Love owies, a lot always want him gone from the team, he has his limitations, but has become a very reliable set shot and gets to good places.

You could write a big list of forwards that Matt Owies kicked more goals than this year despite missing 7 or 8 games.

O.k. I will, Tyson Stengle (equal), Brent Daniels, Will Hayward, Josh Rachele, Jade Gresham, Beau mcreery and Sam Switkowski.

He also averaged more goals per game than Zac Bailey, Shai Bolton, Lachlan Schultz, Bobby Hill and Daniel Butler.

And yet he is still under rated on our list. Considering that he almost doubled his goal tally from 2022 to 2023 and his late start in the game its probably fair to assume that he can continue to improve as the team does. What I really like is that he has clearly worked hard to become a better kick for goal going from under 50% in 2021 to 56% in 2022 to 69% in 2023.

Maybe he's not a superstar but he's a solid contributor who has made himself a strong team member. I was disappointed that he was dropped for the prelim and expect him to use it to launch in 2024 to make his position unassailable.