List Mgmt. 2024 List Management 📃

[Arr0w]

Set aside everyone's opinion here regarding Dow and absorb the opinions with people entrusted within clubland

Dow has been a fringe/injury depth player for a couple years, has been offered a short-term low salary contract and opposition clubs (most of which finished below us) aren't jumping over each other in a bidding war to obtain his services

Whether Dow stays or goes, I hope he can carve out some sort of career, even better become a best 22 player

Think our club's focus will be elsewhere to extract the slight improvement needed for next year

 

[Bamboo Harvester]

Hey Aphrodite

For some reason Lore's Provisional 2023 AFL Draft Picks spreadsheet doesn't seem to be stickied at the top of the page.

BH

 

[Blue and Silver]

Based on Plow announcement, I am guessing exit interviews are about done.

So delisting soon, and probably trade requests

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[luke livingston seagull]

Everyone is saying "Dow" this and "Dow" that, but no one is saying "worship" this! And "Jericho" that!

 

[Opium]

Set aside everyone's opinion here regarding Dow and absorb the opinions with people entrusted within clubland

Dow has been a fringe/injury depth player for a couple years, has been offered a short-term low salary contract and opposition clubs (most of which finished below us) aren't jumping over each other in a bidding war to obtain his services

Whether Dow stays or goes, I hope he can carve out some sort of career, even better become a best 22 player

Think our club's focus will be elsewhere to extract the slight improvement needed for next year

The issue is Dow was a top 3 pick that has shown improvement and is the type of player our side could use. In the games he played this year his tackling and Clearances were an important contribution to us winning some close games. Even Hewett was on record as saying Dow was like a mini Pendlebury during an interview. At ony 24 years of age and 6 years of development and someone who has shown to be durable it makes little sense to me to give him away for basically nothing.

 

[Arr0w]

The issue is Dow was a top 3 pick that had shown improvement and is the type of player our side could use. In the games he played this year his tackling and Clearances were an important contribution to us winning some close games. Even Hewett was on record as saying Dow was like a mini Pendlebury during an interview. At ony 24 years of age and someone who has shown to be durable it makes little sense to me to give him away for basically nothing.

The bold is where the real issue seems to be with some of our supporter group

Then, 1-2 of his strengths seem to outweigh his current flaws

Never seen any fringe player, Carlton or otherwise, spoken about so highly

 

[Ash24]

Zac Fisher

16

Zac Fisher

Age

26

Ht

175cm

Wt

76kg

Pos.

D/F

Career

Season

Last 5

D

16.2

4star

K

8.3

3star

HB

7.9

5star

M

1.8

2star

T

3.0

5star

MG

384.0

5star

D

17.0

4star

K

10.0

4star

HB

7.0

4star

M

3.0

3star

T

0.0

1star

MG

384.0

5star

D

12.2

3star

K

6.8

3star

HB

5.4

4star

M

1.2

2star

T

3.0

5star

+ Future 1st —> Pick 19 + Pick 52 + Future 3rd - equates Fisher at pick 35 and trades in F1 so it isn’t used by Ben Campo

Future 3rd (North Melb) + Pick 65 —> Elijah Hollands - equates Hollands at pick 35-40

Paddy Dow

15

Paddy Dow

Age

24

Ht

184cm

Wt

83kg

Pos.

Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D

14.1

4star

K

7.0

3star

HB

7.1

4star

M

2.1

2star

T

2.9

4star

CL

2.6

4star

D

7.0

1star

K

4.0

1star

HB

3.0

2star

M

3.0

3star

T

2.0

3star

CL

0.0

1star

D

12.4

4star

K

5.8

3star

HB

6.6

4star

M

1.6

2star

T

2.8

5star

CL

2.6

5star

—> Future 3rd + Future 4th (St Kilda) - equates Dow at pick 45-50


2023 DRAFT HAND : Picks 16, 19, 52

2024 DRAFT HAND : 2nd (Carlton), 3rd (St Kilda), 3rd (Carlton), 4th (St Kilda), 4th (Carlton)

 

[Opium]

The bold is where the real issue seems to be with some of our supporter group

Then, 1-2 of his strengths seem to outweigh his current flaws

Never seen any fringe player, Carlton or otherwise, spoken about so highly

You seem to only highlight the part to suit your narrative. Let's agree to disagree

 

[Benaly28]

‘IF’ Fully fit don’t underestimate the difference Zac Williams makes next year.


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[Arr0w]

You seem to only highlight the part to suit your narrative. Let's agree to disagree

So now we start focusing on the poster?

Actually I don't, I have shared my thoughts regarding Dow's strengths and weaknesses, while all I have seen from you is no weaknesses at all

I don't call that narrative, I call it bias. #amidoingitright ?

 

[redkettle]

Please pass on to Plow....against WCE in Perth a few years ago I sat next to a couple of young Carlton supporters and asked them who their favourite player was...Plowman! came the response with a significant amount of googly, lovey dovey eyes and embarrassing giggling....

 

[JuddgementDay]

‘IF’ Fully fit don’t underestimate the difference Zac Williams makes next year.


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Agreed, it doesn’t take much to add some balance of speed in our team

Add someone like Philp with ZWilliams and our speed profile improves right away

 

[JuddgementDay]

You're neglecting that we're over-subscribed by 3 players on our list currently - i.e. need to delist/trade/retire 2 players (plus Ed C) before we do anything else. Or to look at it another way:

From your list:

Out: Dow, Fisher, Plowman, E. Curnow, Honey, O'Brien, Plus 3

In: O'Keeffe, Cincotta, Duffy, Monahan (Cat-B), E. Hollands, Pick 16, 40, 52, + 2 Rookies

If you can't find the "plus 3", then need to reduce the number of incoming players.

Would also mean paying out O'Brien, as he is contracted for next year. Possible, but unlikely (I don't think anyone will offer a trade for him).

As for your trade scenarios, 1 and 2 aren't great trades for us - would want both to be better. Scenario 3 is about right. Can't see how Hollands is worth more than either Dow or Fisher.

You have a good handle on contracts

From your point of view, who do you think we’ll let go this year?

 

[Soapy V]

‘IF’ Fully fit don’t underestimate the difference Zac Williams makes next year.


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100%. Genuine A grader at his best.

I saw him a few weeks ago and he looks the fittest he's been since joining us. Already running and expected to do specialised training until Jan and then hopefully fully fit and ready to go

 

[The Bighouse]

Are we able to transfer from the senior list to the rookie list without having to delist the player first?

As I understand it, No. Think it was just a post COVID thing.

Think this is back on the radar along with veterans, mid-season trades, NGA’s and other draft & trade ideas for discussion points between the clubs & AFL

 

[Coops93]

Z Williams could replace Newman on HB.

Newman has been solid but we've seen our HBFs do lack some mobility (Saad aside) and he has made a few gaffs with ball in hand when the pressure starts to rise. He's also 31 next season so isn't getting any quicker. He'll still likely get decent game time as Williams has been shown to be injury prone but as a starting 22 I could see that swap happening.

 

[AndyLucimitis]

The issue is Dow was a top 3 pick that has shown improvement and is the type of player our side could use. In the games he played this year his tackling and Clearances were an important contribution to us winning some close games. Even Hewett was on record as saying Dow was like a mini Pendlebury during an interview. At ony 24 years of age and 6 years of development and someone who has shown to be durable it makes little sense to me to give him away for basically nothing.

Sad thing also is he really wants to be at Carlton. Great clubman.

 

[marleyblue]

Z Williams could replace Newman on HB.

Newman has been solid but we've seen our HBFs do lack some mobility (Saad aside) and he has made a few gaffs with ball in hand when the pressure starts to rise. He's also 31 next season so isn't getting any quicker. He'll still likely get decent game time as Williams has been shown to be injury prone but as a starting 22 I could see that swap happening.

Williams will be a massive inclusion but I doubt anyone is pushing Newman out next year unless his form drops off a cliff. He was fantastic in the 2nd half of the season, can play on both the smalls (Toby is his bunny) and mid-sized forwards and was responsible for generating a lot of our attack off hb.

Was in the conversation for the AA squad and will be top 10 and pushing top 5 in our bnf.

 

[Revenant1965]

Think this is back on the radar along with veterans, mid-season trades, NGA’s and other draft & trade ideas for discussion points between the clubs & AFL

Would this be happening before this year's trade period/draft/list lodgement period? If not, then it won't make much difference for players who could be moved from main list to rookie list.
But I can see makey-uppey AFL changing rules at some time that'll mess with some clubs list management plans...

 

[thylacine60]

wasn't zw doing this before he was injured?

 

[Red Bull]

Seems pretty clear that when Marchbank is available, he’s the preferred partner for Weitering with McGovern as the third banana.
And then there’s the emerging Kemp.

So what do we make of Young, noting that Durdin was named as an emergency in preference to him during September ?
He’s contracted and I’d be happy to keep him but is it good business if he’s not really part of the match committee’s plans ?

I’m thinking about North and their bounty of draft picks … what are their needs ?
McKay gone and Logue sidelined for next season leaves them with only … Aidan Corr

4

Aidan Corr

Age

30

Ht

195cm

Wt

96kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

10.2

3star

K

6.4

3star

HB

3.8

3star

M

3.4

3star

T

1.9

4star

MG

291.0

4star

D

13.9

3star

K

11.1

4star

HB

2.7

2star

M

5.3

5star

T

1.1

2star

MG

291.0

4star

D

7.2

2star

K

2.8

1star

HB

4.4

4star

M

2.0

3star

T

1.6

4star

in defence !!
With Fisher seemingly destined for North, can we offer a combination of Young and Fisher in return for a slice of their draft action ?
They currently hold picks 14&19.

Would pick 19 for Young and Fisher be of interest to the Roos ?
GC have their pick 4 on the table.
Geelong have their pick 7 on the table.

If we could cut a deal with North for pick 19, we would have our natural pick 16, pick 19 and our future 1st to play with.
Pick 4 puts us in the picture for Curtin.
Pick 7 puts us in the picture for O’Sullivan.

Either one of those 2 lads could then be developed as the future of our defence going forward …

 

[jj1978]

Every player on our list has flaws. Harry can’t kick for goal consistently, Pitto can’t do anything but tap, Weiters, Cripps, Kennedy, Hewett are slow, can keep going. Dow has flaws, but his strengths provide a point of value and difference, and he’s showing it from his recent form. Hence why I back his retainment on the list.

 

[jj1978]

Didn’t think players could sign prior to a certain date. We do applaud our list management, but with a few wanting Young, Pitto to be traded shows they jumped the gun in extending a bit too early.

 

[Sideshow Mark]

Everyone is saying "Dow" this and "Dow" that, but no one is saying "worship" this! And "Jericho" that!

What's that about Dow?

 

[Coops93]

Williams will be a massive inclusion but I doubt anyone is pushing Newman out next year unless his form drops off a cliff. He was fantastic in the 2nd half of the season, can play on both the smalls (Toby is his bunny) and mid-sized forwards and was responsible for generating a lot of our attack off hb.

Was in the conversation for the AA squad and will be top 10 and pushing top 5 in our bnf.

Who's going out for him? Boyd? Though he was good in the final