List Mgmt. 2024 List Management discussion

[Sanchez365]

Yeah, I knew he had done something like this to one of our players.

I don't go for the whole mercenary line. We've got a lot of players that came here looking for success, but they've mostly got nice guy tags.

Lynch went from a bottom 2 club to the reigning premiers, after being the captain of the club. He is pretty much the definition of a mercenary? If we poach Larkey from North Melbourne this year to replace Danniher, I'll consider him a mercenary too.

We definitely have some players that could get that tag currently, McKenna being the most likely one.

 

[Sanchez365]

Sam Draper ? Reports Adelaide are into him. He does remind me a bit of Joe

I rate Draper extremely highly as a Ruckman, but as a forward he's probably so so. If we had the draft capital to make it happen I would be all for it but no idea how we could satisfy Essendon in a trade for him. They will want 2 first rounders unless he's a FA.

 

[Squizz89]

We do have quite a bit of depth down back, which we saw this year was needed. Obviously we hope those guys all make it back next year, and if so I wonder whether Payne (or Joyce?) could be trialled as an option up forward. We're going to miss Joe's goals there's no doubt about that, but we have an A grade list of smalls up there that can go to work if the ball hits the deck, which is what we will need from whoever it is we get to play that role.

 

[M Malice]

I think we should tinker with our style and just play smaller if Joe calls it quits OR if it is 5 on the bench we could play 2 rucks, not a fan of either Fort/Smith as a forward though.

 

[Surly Boy]

Not sure what to make of this - more or less likely?

 

[martinson]

Not sure what to make of this - more or less likely?

If Joe wasn't at least seriously considering or made up his mind he was retiring then the club would've already put out a statement that he was playing on seeing there is so much speculation.

So it seems that he's either just wanting to fade away without having to explain why or mulling it over after the excitement of winning a flag.

Just let him enjoy the win and we should know either way before too long because he'll have to tell the club.

 

[McIvor]

Inaugural members of the Ty train.

The Kai and Ty train has a nice ring to it

 

[BrisVegasDru]

unsure if you guys are familiar with 'The Mongrel Punt' footy site, but I can't read enough Lions stuff at the moment and they sell for $6.60 an epub Season Review of our season. Just started it but it started with a very in-depth season preview and appears to have everything written about us throughout the season. Like an electronic scrapbook, gives me something to read when the forum goes quiet

 

[McIvor]

If Joe wasn't at least seriously considering or made up his mind he was retiring then the club would've already put out a statement that he was playing on seeing there is so much speculation.

So it seems that he's either just wanting to fade away without having to explain why or mulling it over after the excitement of winning a flag.

Just let him enjoy the win and we should know either way before too long because he'll have to tell the club.

Perhaps Joe isn’t fussed about the noise because he’s not hearing or doesn’t care and the club is respectful of Joe having some space and as Fages said not pushing him and letting things play out before official trade period starts.

 

[dlanod]

Lynch went from a bottom 2 club to the reigning premiers, after being the captain of the club. He is pretty much the definition of a mercenary? If we poach Larkey from North Melbourne this year to replace Danniher, I'll consider him a mercenary too.

We definitely have some players that could get that tag currently, McKenna being the most likely one.

BREAKING NEWS: Sources say Nick Larkey could be Brisbane's next key forward target in the event of Daniher's retirement!



Look forward to hearing this in Trade Radio later today.

 

[StevoJenkins]

Key to how we set up will be whether we go to 5 on the bench this year, if we do it's a no-brainer in my mind to play either Fort or Smith and I am really keen to see Smith get a decent run, correct me if i'm wrong but he's 23 year old right? A baby for a ruckman, but I have already seen him create contests and bring the ball to the ground and his tap work is good.

Eric once he gets over the osteitus will be much more mobile and regain penetration on his kicking, Logan is on a stellar trajectory, we welcome back Linc and our forward line is super dangerous. Cam, Kai, Linc and Cal are really good overhead marks so all Smith or Fort need to do is bring the ball to ground, and bring Charlie into play.

Bringing in a Casboult or Lynch also takes a list spot we could us to draft a young KPF anyone we pick would be most unlikely to debut for 2 years but is assured of playing with decent players in the reserves, a team with our current strength should have one eye on the future rather than casting about for a veteran we hopefully wont need.

Whatever the coaching group do I will be happy with, but for some reason all I can think is football atm and I needed to unload this stream of thought.

Smith showed enough in the small run he got that he could play at AFL level. Really depends on if we get a 5-man bench. Even with a 5-man bench though, I'd still prefer a running player like Sharp.

Eric will get back to where he was in the middle of this year once he gets that injury clear. A lot of posters talk down his performances, but this year has been his best year to date. I've repeatedly mentioned that we have a McStay sized hole in our forward line, and this year Hippy has filled that hole. Joe doing as well as he has this season is partially due to Hippy being a more contested player, creating a contest and taking the intercept defender out of commission in games.

If Joe does leave, we were already moving Dev, and Prior probably leaves, as well as 4/5 delistings, meaning if Joe leaves, we'd have the extra list spot to use on a fill-in tall forward like a Casbolt or Lynch. Casbolt is probably the better choice of those two as he'd basically be free, and we don't have the capital to get a ready-made KPF, but you'd be able to get him and draft (probably from the rookie draft) a KPF.

 

[Tom14]

BREAKING NEWS: Sources say Nick Larkey could be Brisbane's next key forward target in the event of Daniher's retirement!



Look forward to hearing this in Trade Radio later today.

Larkey and Watermann getting AA over Joe because their teams sucked so they got all the i50 targets

 

[Darren Downunder]

We do have quite a bit of depth down back, which we saw this year was needed. Obviously we hope those guys all make it back next year, and if so I wonder whether Payne (or Joyce?) could be trialled as an option up forward. We're going to miss Joe's goals there's no doubt about that, but we have an A grade list of smalls up there that can go to work if the ball hits the deck, which is what we will need from whoever it is we get to play that role.

If we lose Joe, I think I’d go with either a small forward line like we did in last year’s finals or else swing Payne back.
Payne is very quick on the burst, strong and a good mark. It might be worth a try.

 

[McIvor]

Larkey and Watermann getting AA over Joe because their teams sucked so they got all the i50 targets

What I like about both Larkey and Waterman s AA selection is that each are amazing playing second ruck which all teams needs. Oh wait

 

[SizeMatters]

If Joe does go it will be an injustice to not bring in some tall forward depth. We are very thin as it is…

The club will be taking it as a one year plan and I couldn’t care if they are over 30 or not. As long as they compete and have some sort of top level experience. Casboult, Lynch, or whoever. Someone to take a key tall off Hipwood, Morris and Smith and has an ability to bring ball to ground for the smalls. If anything the biggest loss will be Joes ability to be a back up ruck. Don’t underestimate this.

Game style will have to be adjusted and I suspect it will be more goals demanded from the midfield.

 

[Harris Specter]

Rumours going around that Starcevich will be exploring a move back to WA after 2025 season.
Big loss as he is one that the backline revolves around. West Coast really being aggresive in making contact

 

[Thomasno]

Rumours going around that Starcevich will be exploring a move back to WA after 2025 season.
Big loss as he is one that the backline revolves around. West Coast really being aggresive in making contact

Doubt

 

[Tom14]

Rumours going around that Starcevich will be exploring a move back to WA after 2025 season.
Big loss as he is one that the backline revolves around. West Coast really being aggresive in making contact

‘Rumours’ from TheTradePreacher. Not saying it won’t happen as I have no inside info but I wouldn’t be worrying.

 

[Darren Downunder]

‘Rumours’ from TheTradePreacher. Not saying it won’t happen as I have no inside info but I wouldn’t be worrying.

We have to expect that a lot of clubs will go after our young stars as they approach free agency. We just have to hope our culture and list management team are strong enough to fend them off.

 

[KissKiss]

What would we want a Joe replacement to be able to do, knowing that we won't get someone as good as him? Be tall, relief ruck, contested mark, crash packs, lead up, be accurate at kicking for goal?

Honestly there are almost no players currently in the league that can replace all of that. So when he goes we are going to have to rejiggle things no matter what (you need to do that as standing still will let other teams go past us).

My general thoughts are:

• While the backup ruck is nice its been very clear for a long time thats such a minor part of the role across the year. The 20% ruck time is way less important than the role they play for the rest of the game. We can fill that gap with bits and pieces if we have to do
• Joe and Hippy have always been a bit similar in more flanker style players. Joe going lets Hippy do more of the leading up and down the ground which he is suited to (when he doesnt have OP)
• We have been missing a great contested mark since McStay left. Morris looks decent but isnt the biggest guy. We make up with a lot of smaller guys who fly at marks but its not always the best option up and down the line.

Personally I'd like us to look for someone who can play a more contested marking option thats a bit bigger than Morris. At worst they will be able to play a role keeping a defender honest. Who that is I have no idea

 

[RoyBoy17]

If Joe does retire then Jack Hayes from the Saints is out of contract. Injury prone but looks like he finished the year in the VFL injury free. Plays forward ruck and wouldn't cost the world. Can then look at the market seriously next year to see if we can land a better option.

 

[mpal6]

If Joe does retire then Jack Hayes from the Saints is out of contract. Injury prone but looks like he finished the year in the VFL injury free. Plays forward ruck and wouldn't cost the world. Can then look at the market seriously next year to see if we can land a better option.

He had a knee surgery mid year.. we have enough knees to look after already. Pass.

 

[dlanod]

If Joe does retire then Jack Hayes from the Saints is out of contract. Injury prone but looks like he finished the year in the VFL injury free. Plays forward ruck and wouldn't cost the world. Can then look at the market seriously next year to see if we can land a better option.

That's a very intriguing option. He's got some ability, isn't over the hill, and fits the role pretty well with an obvious downgrade on the forward work but that's inevitable.

 

[royboys4eva]

From everything I have read about Joey - I get the feeling he is probably leaning to retiring. He has a young family and no doubt a partner who probably would appreciate him home a bit more or least family support. Maybe, Joe has now reached the pinnacle and played a major part in our Premiership he feels the desire may not be there.

I am conflicted. When Joey came to the club I was excited, but concerned with his injury history and work rate. He teased us all in early days with great marks and the promise of great things, thrown into that were days like for memory where we played the Bulldogs at Ballarat and I remember him doing next to nothing all day and being very disappointed in him and wondering if he was invested in the team ethic.

Fast forward and he is now in one of my favourite players and I honestly think we don't win the Premiership without him. He isn't our best player but probably our most important.

I don't want Joey to retire. I want him to give it one more year and see what this great team can achieve. On the other hand, if in his mind he doesn't feel like he would be invested then I don't think we can push him to play. Nor should we give him special circumstances that he can start training in New Year etc. When you start making special deals for players you start to divide team culture - if it's good for him why can't I do this etc.

I honestly hope I am wrong with this next statement - If Joey retires we will really struggle to win the Premiership in 2025. He takes the best defender every week and still manages to kick 2/4 goals every week and assist in others. His ruck work was a worry previously - now I think we would agree he is a massive asset in the middle. Such a smart player who just finds space and the ball around the ground.He can't be replaced.

I hope Fages and others can talk him around for one more year. Get Big O and Kiddy and Linc to speak to him and say we need you for our chance of a flag.

If he retires I'm not sure what the club will do. Play two rucks and maybe Oscar forward more?

Taberner from Fremantle was a very good forward a few years ago. Since then injury and form have curtailed him so much so he was delisted. He is a decent height and can clunk a mark. He would cost us nothing as a delisted free agent. But, he can't ruck like Joey.

One more year of investment please Joey.
The 2025 draft we are going to have to look very closely at getting a key forward. The are the hardest players to trade for.

 

[McIvor]

Rumours going around that Starcevich will be exploring a move back to WA after 2025 season.
Big loss as he is one that the backline revolves around. West Coast really being aggresive in making contact

Rumours from where; trade radio?