List Mgmt. 2024 List Management discussion

[Sproj]

What about Doedee up forward?

 

[pod17]

What about Doedee up forward?

Has only kicked three goals in his entire career. That said, he wouldn't have been down there much, and sometimes defenders can make the switch (e.g. Mihocek).

However, given he is coming off the knee the problem (outside of no exposed form) would be limited opportunity over the preseason for him to build experience playing that role.

 

[Nathan Barley]

What about Doedee up forward?

What would he add that we don't currently have in our forwards?

 

[scoman]

Are we sure Hipwood can't ruck in a similar way to Joe if he gets his body right for next year? It's not like Joe dominated hit outs when he was in there, but would pull off a couple of freaky plays each game.

Edit: Granted, it doesn't solve the problem, but if we end up playing another third tall type like Lloyd or Gardiner, bring in someone like Membery, or even a big power type like Lynch or 2MP, Hipwood might actually be the best choice as ruck relief.

 

[StevoJenkins]

Honestly, if we need a forward so bad to maintain structure, then put Lloyd in. If we're just looking for a tall body that can ruck/compete, put in Fort. Then in 2026, when Fort and Omac are starting to breakdown, then bring in Smith.

Ah Chee, Lohman and Rayner already play as pseudo talls, so having a second ruck whose job is just to compete and hit the ball down shouldn't be a problem.

 

[Nathan Barley]

Honestly, if we need a forward so bad to maintain structure, then put Lloyd in. If we're just looking for a tall body that can ruck/compete, put in Fort. Then in 2026, when Fort and Omac are starting to breakdown, then bring in Smith.

Ah Chee, Lohman and Rayner already play as pseudo talls, so having a second ruck whose job is just to compete and hit the ball down shouldn't be a problem.

I don't think Lloyd would help with the structure. I think he's more of a lead up forward like Tom Lynch (formerly of Adelaide)

What about depth? Why wouldn't we explore better options?

 

[StevoJenkins]

I don't think Lloyd would help with the structure. I think he's more of a lead up forward like Tom Lynch (formerly of Adelaide)

What about depth? Why wouldn't we explore better options?

My post is more of a response to posters who are going "What about X defender as a forward for structure?"

If three tall forwards are required, then you play three tall forwards. No point in playing a defender 6-10 years into their career as a defender as a forward.

 

[KissKiss]

Im still very happy for the coaches to turn around to the four of Smith, Fort, Ryan and Lloyd and say there is a spot there for you. Go for your life to grab it. All of them offer slightly different things and we could make each of them work (before resorting to Gardiner/Lester/Doedee forward). Give them a big preseason and then say we will try and give you all a shot next year at the role (but knowing if someone pulls a Morris then they can lock them selves in).

Also with how young Smith and Morris/Lloyd are, the chances are all of them would need a rest at some point (Morris clearly did this year). So if one of them gets the job to start with then the other guys still have a chance to come in and show what they can do

 

[BangyBangy]

Honestly, if we need a forward so bad to maintain structure, then put Lloyd in. If we're just looking for a tall body that can ruck/compete, put in Fort. Then in 2026, when Fort and Omac are starting to breakdown, then bring in Smith.

Ah Chee, Lohman and Rayner already play as pseudo talls, so having a second ruck whose job is just to compete and hit the ball down shouldn't be a problem.

McCarthy plays taller too. Arguably has a better vertical leap than both Lohmann & Rayner, though coming back from a knee, that may be curtailed a little in 2025.

 

[lionraven]

Just reminiscing about trade periods past. Remember this:

Neale declares Lions closer to a flag than Dockers

Pencil Neale's Round 10 trip to Optus Stadium in your calendar.

www.zerohanger.com

So much outrage. How could Brisbane who finished spooners the year before and barely cracked more 5 wins a season for the past 5 years hope to better a Ross the Boss and his masterplanned rebuilt Dockers who are finally getting that KPF missing for their first flag? Dockers were finally on their way up and ready to challenge against. Lions the forever cellar dwellers.

Just love the narrative and when the story works out. Just like when Treloar went to Pies because they had a more promising list than the Tigers.

 

[dlanod]

Just reminiscing about trade periods past. Remember this:

Neale declares Lions closer to a flag than Dockers

Pencil Neale's Round 10 trip to Optus Stadium in your calendar.

www.zerohanger.com

So much outrage. How could Brisbane who finished spooners the year before and barely cracked more 5 wins a season for the past 5 years hope to better a Ross the Boss and his masterplanned rebuilt Dockers who are finally getting that KPF missing for their first flag? Dockers were finally on their way up and ready to challenge against. Lions the forever cellar dwellers.

Just love the narrative and when the story works out. Just like when Treloar went to Pies because they had a more promising list than the Tigers.

"Brisbane posses one of the brightest young lists in the competition that boasts several rising talents like Cam Rayner, Harris Andrews and Alex Witherden."

 

[Sproj]

What would he add that we don't currently have in our forwards?

A more mature body instead of Morris being pushed up to number 2 tall before being ready but it is all more what he allows us not to do and that is disrupt our defense by trying Andrews or Payne up there. Lester will fall off the cliff at some point but doesn’t look like it will be any time soon, so would be nice to fit Doedee somewhere.

 

[Nathan Barley]

A more mature body instead of Morris being pushed up to number 2 tall before being ready but it is all more what he allows us not to do and that is disrupt our defense by trying Andrews or Payne up there. Lester will fall off the cliff at some point but doesn’t look like it will be any time soon, so would be nice to fit Doedee somewhere.

If he can't play forward he's not going to get any respect from opponents

 

[Nathan Barley]

McCarthy plays taller too. Arguably has a better vertical leap than both Lohmann & Rayner, though coming back from a knee, that may be curtailed a little in 2025.

Playing taller is only an advantage when you're opponent is a small. A small playing tall against a tall that plays tall doesn't work

 

[spotthedog1]

What would he add that we don't currently have in our forwards?

A third player at AFL standard.

 

[Brett C]

A more mature body instead of Morris being pushed up to number 2 tall before being ready but it is all more what he allows us not to do and that is disrupt our defense by trying Andrews or Payne up there. Lester will fall off the cliff at some point but doesn’t look like it will be any time soon, so would be nice to fit Doedee somewhere.

Not sure why Lester will fall off a cliff, I wasn't his biggest fan until the last 2 years but his game isn't built in blinding speed or strength.

He is a very smart player who does 99% of what he needs to be well including reading the play which doesn't diminish with age.

 

[Nathan Barley]

A third player at AFL standard.

AFL standard as a forward?

 

[MSB ROYS]

"Brisbane posses one of the brightest young lists in the competition that boasts several rising talents like Cam Rayner, Harris Andrews and Alex Witherden."

Witherden would have been a great player if people didn't run so fast. Needed to play in speed restriction zone...

 

[OldLion]

Joe's retirement has left a hole in premiership team. So any forwards out there that wants a walk-up start in successful team a la Tom Lynch in 2019 ? You tend to look at GWS/ Gold Coast ( show case clubs ) or disaffected / injured players from Adelaide / Perth. Or those terrible talls at Sydney ? Time to get busy and sow a few seeds.

 

[BuntonRules]

Jack Payne' s feet would not handle ruck duties.

Rayner was sub par playing as a pseudo tall. Has found the sweet spot in the position he plays now.

Logan Morris is a potential AA as the 3rd tall, playing off of 2 tall targets.

In our current structure, we have found the best mix for our players skillsets.

Henry Smith is a more than capable ruckman, and O is getting to the point in his career he needs the support. He is more than capable of what we need up forward - does not need to be a star, just do his job - and let the others play off of him.

Let him grow into the role is by far the best option we have. By next September there is a potential premiership team running out for the first bounce.