List Mgmt. 2024 List Management discussion

[M Malice]

Here’s what he was doing in the reserves this year- 20 goals from 8 matches is ok, with multiple goals in his last 6 matches. It’s just whether he can replicate that in the firsts if we need him too.


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I love the look of this stat >

GOALS.BEHINDS 20.4

 

[briztoon]

And by upgrade, we'd have to take them in the draft - not just the standard no risk upgrade, otherwise we don't get the benefit of live picks. Traditional rookie upgrades cancel out the picks prior to the draft itself.

I'm not so sure about this. I believe it may have changed.

 

[JasRulz63]

If Prior goes, and then we delist two rookies (say Craven and Lester), that opens up 6 picks in the national draft for all our points (we'll have 32 senior list, 4 cat A and 2 cat B rookies). Assuming we re-draft those two, leaves us four spots left for Ashcroft, Marshall, ?? and Day.

 

[M Malice]

At the start, of course. I think we should have won it last year as well, haha. But winning back to back is hard enough as it is. Thats why it's a rare feat. Doing it on top of losing one of our most important players makes it even harder. I think winning the premiership next season would be even more impressive than this season if we were lucky enough to do it because the degree of difficulty would be greater.

I get what you mean(over a whole season) BUT it would be pretty difficult to be greater than coming back from this to win a flag >


Plus we were 13th pretty late in the season.

 

[McIvor]

If Prior goes, and then we delist two rookies (say Craven and Lester), that opens up 6 picks in the national draft for all our points (we'll have 32 senior list, 4 cat A and 2 cat B rookies). Assuming we re-draft those two, leaves us four spots left for Ashcroft, Marshall, ?? and Day.

The ?? Is for Gallop

 

[pod17]

Good to see we learnt from the Fev decision and avoided the fire sale on Stringer despite needing a forward.

I am not convinced re Day, even as backup given his body has not stood up. That said, with all respect I am not so sure how good the conditioning staff at the Gold Coast are given that so many of their players have struggled to get on the park, only to leave and remain relatively injury free elsewhere.

However, whilst Day might be a little more durable under our regime, I would still prefer someone with a stronger track record of getting on the park. Like others, with not much time to source a decent Joe replacement, I could see us restructuring our forward set up. Linc might yet feature more than many of us thought he would after the emergence of Kai.

 

[Perrip]

I'm not so sure about this. I believe it may have changed.

Is this the specific rule they're referencing?

AFL Rules - pg. 62

10.11 Inclusion of Rookie List Player onto Primary List
(a) Primary List
A Club may apply to the AFL to transfer a Player or Players from its Rookie List onto its Primary Listi) on the day when its Primary List is lodged with the AFL prior to theNational Draft Selection Meeting under Rule 6.1 by lodging with the AFL the form prescribed in Schedule 1 as Form 33. In which case, the Club shall forfeit its last selection or, if more than one player, its last and each previous draft selection at the National AFL Draft Selection meeting.

 

[bungalow_bill]

To be honest, i'm not expecting us to win the premiership next season. I think the loss of Joe will cause a huge structural change that will take some time to adapt. There is no one on our list that is capable of anything close to what he does, so I think if we play the same way we did this season, we will be a touch behind the better sides. And if we decide to change our structure because we can't replace him, it will likely have some teething issues that will probably cost us a few games. Honestly, i'm not worried about the next season. Because even if we don't win the prem, it won't sting as much considering we won it this season. And the future of our squad and our club has never looked healthier. So much to be positive about right now. I also hope everyone backs fages next season. Despite if we win every game or if we don't. He's been through so much and he deserves our support until he decides to retire himself.

Hawks lost Franklin and went on to win 3 straight flags.

 

[Gadzorks]

Hawks lost Franklin and went on to win 3 straight flags.

And now that fagan has figured out a plan b ....

Our team and play evolved this year and it will again next year. The players went up a level in finals, and while they won't always play at that level they will back themselves to get to that level again when needed.

They got this.

 

[Tom14]

Hawks lost Franklin and went on to win 3 straight flags.

2* - buddy played in the first of the three-peat. But they deliberately changed their game plan that year to be less buddy-centric.

 

[Gadzorks]

2* - buddy played in the first of the three-peat. But they deliberately changed their game plan that year to be less buddy-centric.

That was when fagan was at the hawks right?

 

[Tom14]

That was when fagan was at the hawks right?

Yeah - he was there for all their flags I think.

 

[McIvor]

Hawks lost Franklin and went on to win 3 straight flags.

Different type of player but same with Geelong winning a flag the following year when GAJ left and people thought the Cats would be screwed without him.

 

[briztoon]

WC board reckon we were asking for a second round pick for Dev.

 

[lionraven]

Tiges played small ball with Reiwoldt as their only tall forward and then a bunch of tall midfielders playing third talls ala Caddy, Dusty and Rioli. They won 2017 and dominated 2018 before unexpectedly losing the preliminary. They got Lynch in 2019 (and also lost Rance) before winning again in 2020 and 2021. Edit they won 2019 and 2020. Not 2021

I think our list is robust enough to deal with this change. In 2019 and 20 it was the Neale show. Without Neale we simply couldn't win. I think near the end of 2022 we finally had a team that was an actual contender. We just ran into another team that had also built that fortitude in Geelong. 2023 we ran into another better team in Pies.

2025 our list can still produce a premiership. We can reinvent ourselves to that 2019 2020 Cameron lead offense. We couldn't win in those years as our midfield was Neale dependent. Thos last run has shown that we now have enough support alarm Dunkley and depth ala Washcroft that we can still win the contest even if Nealen is at 80 percent.

If we can keep our midfield together there is no reason why we can't get there again.

 

[Chucky_23]

So after all that only 27 out of 700+ players changed clubs

 

[Elixuh]

The most likely option will be putting Lester through the draft again and take him with our last National Draft pick to open up a rookie spot for Beecken at least. That plus delisting Craven gets us five draft picks.

Lester:

 

[Elixuh]

The only bad thing about this trade period is that all the shit teams gave good players to the good or upcoming teams

 

[Harris Specter]

The only bad thing about this trade period is that all the shit teams gave good players to the good or upcoming teams

Hawks done very nicely.

 

[lioninthesand]

The only bad thing about this trade period is that all the shit teams gave good players to the good or upcoming teams

There will always be a lean toward players wanting to go to good teams.

But players went to WC, North, Freo, Saints.

Port and Pies had questionable trade period IMO.

Dogs ok.

Hawks did well but far from an established powerhouse, Battle and Barass arnt superstars.

Lions and Swans sat idle in terms of players in.

Agree in general terms but I think more teams than ever got what they want.

 

[Bucking Beads]

Hawks done very nicely.

They will miss the 8 in 2025. Bookmark it

 

[Nathan Barley]

Hawks done very nicely.

Barass will be a huge get. Still lacking genuine star power in the midfield. Will rely on everything completely buying in again

 

[Elixuh]

Hawks had next to no injuries this year. They were towards the top of the champion data injury ladder. So if that reverts to the average they may struggle.

 

[Nuggo]

Sam Day

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Sam Day

Age

32

Ht

196cm

Wt

106kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

9.8

2star

K

5.2

2star

HB

4.6

3star

M

3.5

4star

T

1.8

4star

G

0.7

4star

D

8.0

2star

K

3.6

1star

HB

4.4

3star

M

1.9

2star

T

1.5

2star

G

0.9

4star

D

8.6

3star

K

3.2

2star

HB

5.4

4star

M

3.0

3star

T

0.8

3star

G

0.2

3star

has the talent and experience. With the lure of playing finals perhaps a GF and even winning a premiership may just put in him in a very good head space. Suspect he will be managed throughout the year for a September run.

 

[blueiris]

Sam Day has the talent and experience. With the lure of playing finals perhaps a GF and even winning a premiership may just put in him in a very good head space. Suspect he will be managed throughout the year for a September run.

The guy can't kick goals but you want to bring him in for September the hardest time of the year to kick goals