List Mgmt. 2024 List Management thread - Trade Targets Part 2

[Joao]

We can't give away picks 9,10 for Bolton. We still need to keep adding elite talent.

If the following players were not contracted for 2024 (I know some are not), would they be on our list:

• JOM
• Aish
• Hughes
• Emmett
• Corbett
• Walters
• Fyfe
• Worner
• Kuek
• Stanley
• Delean - is he going to make it?

I hope Walls is clear eyed about where our list sits. We have some elite talent, but too many triers who can't handle playing against better teams.

Yes
Yes
No
Yes
No
No
Maybe
Maybe
No
No
No

 

[apuchar]

I'd hold on to Delean, Emmett also.
Aish and JOM as depth.
Worner needs to translate what he does in the wafl into AFL.
Stanley??

 

[FreoRicci]

After he was rumoured to be spending time with women not legally old enough to drink while his partner was at home with their new baby I decided I didn't like him

Who cares.
This annoys me to no end.
Dustin Martin was chopsticking people and out on the grog.
Fremantle would’ve just throw him out.
Instead he’s the best clutch player of all time having played 300 games.
De Goey is the same. Guess what?
Stringer, De Goey and Martin have all won premierships.

Sick of this culture where players have to be nice and respectful. Where has that gotten us?

Getting nice guys like JOM, Switta because they fit the culture plus Alex Pearce as our captain, who’s such a chill guy.

Don’t have one big game cocky player.
West Coast got Harley Reid and he wants to be that. I can’t say one player on the team is willing to be a dickhead and drag his team across the line. Dangerfield did this two weeks ago as well.

Stringer kicked 4 v Ryan in that 1 point loss. De Goey destroyed our midfield in the 2022 Semi Final.

That’s the difference really.

Would love to get Warner. He has that swagger and confidence to just be a big game winner. Then finally can push out spurs like JOM, Banfield out of the side

 

[Midnite65]

We can't give away picks 9,10 for Bolton. We still need to keep adding elite talent.

We will, just not through the draft this year. Maybe 1 top 20 pick but not 3.

 

[CaseySibosadoHOF]

The problem is, their best only appeared once all season. Walters v Crows and Fyfe v Dogs (1st time).

You can't carry them around for 10-15 games hoping to get a blinder when the average games are so poor.

You're only pointing out the absolute apex of performance. There were still a lot of games Fyfe and Walters (especially Fyfe) had significant positive contributions throughout the season. And just on those specific standout games, we've had 14 players receive coaches votes in multiple games this year. They're 2 of those 14.

Also to me, I don't think it's that difficult to anticipate which matches they'd generally be worse in. Fyfe got 10+ CPs in every game pre-bye that he wasn't either subbed off or on in. He did the same once post-bye (vs Sydney). Sonny magically looked a lot better in the full games he played when he wasn't clearly hampered with the hand issues.

Playing basically every game when fit, playing through injuries, fairly high centre bounce attendance, getting the run-with/defensively orientated role for whole games...does that sound like the sort of thinking that gives them the best shot of contributing in a limited but high impact manner? Or does it sound like the sort of dumb decisions that give their old bodies further hurdles to overcome, and then we have to pretend to be shocked when they don't consistently overcome them.

Especially in a team like this one that seems to need winning experience (not JOM's experience), I think strongarming them out of here is dumb. If they want to retire on their own volition and think they can't go next season, it should be completely their own free choice, not the club trying to "push them out with dignity".

 

[Docker82]

I'd hold on to Delean, Emmett also.
Aish and JOM as depth.
Worner needs to translate what he does in the wafl into AFL.
Stanley??

Aish lost his way a bit but still feel he's quite capable.

Emmett is a second year player. Actually think he'll be serviceable. Perhaps not best 22 but the type we can bring in if there's an injury or two and he'll at least offer something. We saw that in some of his games.

Stanley is probably getting delisted in the real world but in a world where one or two contracted players are out of contract I actually think he's given another year.

Not sure about Kuek. Never seems these mature agers that still require heaps of development work out all that well tbh.

 

[GingerDocker]

Is there a world where can get Bolton and still draft Lalor?

 

[rgauci]

Midfield needs improving, starting trio is fine, Brayshaw, Serong and Young are elite. Next few leave a lot to be desired. Willam Drew is awesome for Port. Who’s our 4th to 6th? Johnson, JOM, Sharp, Fyfe leave a lot to be desired. NOD was refreshing inclusion late in the year.

 

[Docker82]

Midfield needs improving, starting trio is fine, Brayshaw, Serong and Young are elite. Next few leave a lot to be desired. Willam Drew is awesome for Port. Who’s our 4th to 6th? Johnson, JOM, Sharp, Fyfe leave a lot to be desired. NOD was refreshing inclusion late in the year.

Need to wait for Johnson and/or Erasmus to get to the required level unfortunately.

Outside of them and NOD, the cupboard is extremely bare.

If Brodie was the answer you're not asking the right question.

 

[FreoRicci]

Midfield needs improving, starting trio is fine, Brayshaw, Serong and Young are elite. Next few leave a lot to be desired. Willam Drew is awesome for Port. Who’s our 4th to 6th? Johnson, JOM, Sharp, Fyfe leave a lot to be desired. NOD was refreshing inclusion late in the year.

Start by pushing the older players out.
Erasmus and Johnson have big pre seasons, both in.

 

[Dirty_banchez]

Rumour is Carlton are looking at bringing in Trac and Houston. Carlton are willing to offload Harry McKay

10

Harry Mckay

Age

26

Ht

200cm

Wt

106kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

9.9

3star

K

7.5

3star

HB

2.4

2star

M

5.5

5star

T

1.6

4star

G

1.4

5star

D

6.6

1star

K

4.6

2star

HB

2.0

1star

M

3.6

4star

T

1.4

2star

G

1.4

5star

D

8.8

3star

K

6.8

3star

HB

2.0

2star

M

4.4

4star

T

0.8

3star

G

2.0

5star

to make it happen.

 

[apuchar]

Is there a world where can get Bolton and still draft Lalor?

I think so. Hard to know how the first round is going to go. If we don't give up 9 and !0, there is a chance

 

[apuchar]

Rumour is Carlton are looking at bringing in Trac and Houston. Carlton are willing to offload Harry McKay to make it happen.

Harry would be ok. Jackson mid.
I doubt Trac is going anywhere though

 

[Deadlift Pro]

Who cares.
This annoys me to no end.
Dustin Martin was chopsticking people and out on the grog.
Fremantle would’ve just throw him out.
Instead he’s the best clutch player of all time having played 300 games.
De Goey is the same. Guess what?
Stringer, De Goey and Martin have all won premierships.

Sick of this culture where players have to be nice and respectful. Where has that gotten us?

Getting nice guys like JOM, Switta because they fit the culture plus Alex Pearce as our captain, who’s such a chill guy.

Don’t have one big game cocky player.
West Coast got Harley Reid and he wants to be that. I can’t say one player on the team is willing to be a dickhead and drag his team across the line. Dangerfield did this two weeks ago as well.

Stringer kicked 4 v Ryan in that 1 point loss. De Goey destroyed our midfield in the 2022 Semi Final.

That’s the difference really.

Would love to get Warner. He has that swagger and confidence to just be a big game winner. Then finally can push out spurs like JOM, Banfield out of the side

Agree 100% on this

We need to bring in some dickheads

I would kill for a Butters or Reid or Ginnivan type antagonist that gets under people's skin and fires the team up

Sick of being a nice club

 

[freo_leo29]

Is there a world where can get Bolton and still draft Lalor?

Nope, Saints wont pass on him unfortunately

 

[Mighty Guybrush]

Agree 100% on this

We need to bring in some dickheads

I would kill for a Butters or Reid or Ginnivan type antagonist that gets under people's skin and fires the team up

Sick of being a nice club

I mean we had Hayden Ballentyne who was great at doing that and firing everyone else up. We do miss those types of players I agree

 

[freo_leo29]

The one I've been thinking about for a few weeks but didn't want to bring up because I do like Coops is Mannagh

Jeez we missed a trick here, he is EXACTLY what we need in our forward line, pressure small forward who kicks goals

Coops hopefully turns into it but imagine trading Shoota out and then with the pick we got for him we drafted an instant replacement AND got pick 10


Gotta give Cats credit, they don't play around, they didn't care he was 27, backed themselves in to rise up the ladder this year and could see he would play a role.

 

[FreoRicci]

We can't give away picks 9,10 for Bolton. We still need to keep adding elite talent.

If the following players were not contracted for 2024 (I know some are not), would they be on our list:

• JOM
• Aish
• Hughes
• Emmett
• Corbett
• Walters
• Fyfe
• Worner
• Kuek
• Stanley
• Delean - is he going to make it?

I hope Walls is clear eyed about where our list sits. We have some elite talent, but too many triers who can't handle playing against better teams.

How much is JOM on? There’s no way he’s worth the next two years.

Definitely gone:
Hughes
Corbett
Taberner

Rookie:
Stanley
Kuek

Should go:
JOM
Brodie (he’s gone anyway)

 

[FreoBraddles]

The one I've been thinking about for a few weeks but didn't want to bring up because I do like Coops is Mannagh

Pretty sure we were interested and they got in just ahead of us after we'd taken Coops.

I was really hoping we took him too - would have been great to have this year.

 

[MadMundy]

We need players who play for the guernsey, outside of a few, it seems like it's nothing more than a job to them, there's no passion and no heart in a lot of their performances.

 

[apuchar]

We need players who play for the guernsey, outside of a few, it seems like it's nothing more than a job to them, there's no passion and no heart in a lot of their performances.

Adding a reluctant Baker wouldn't help with that either

 

[Freoforever86]

Adding a reluctant Baker wouldn't help with that either

If he comes to Freo he’s no longer reluctant

 

[apuchar]

If he comes to Freo he’s no longer reluctant

He will only come to us if West Coast don't want to trade for him

 

[Freoforever86]

He will only come to us if West Coast don't want to trade for him

Doesn’t mean he’s reluctant. He has options

 

[apuchar]

Doesn’t mean he’s reluctant. He has options

He wants to go to WC. He has a fallback position.