List Mgmt. 2024 List Management thread - Trade Targets Part 2

[apuchar]

Gettable is suggesting pick 10 for Baker. That was Barker, not Bolton. It isn't a typo

9 and 17 for Bolton

 

[GingerDocker]

My guess is uber professional & our greatest ever player, Fyfe works on his leg speed in the off season & makes a monkey out of his critics.
Look how his kicking has turned around

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[Joao]

This specifically I agree on as a big problem. Some teams do it with everyone chipping in defensively, others do it with 1 more defensive guy, but this team doesn't have a Willem Drew. Fyfe has done everything to be that guy, but that can't be his role next season game in game out. And while there's a million reasons to do the Shai Bolton move, his time in the guts won't exactly be about defensive soundness.

Caleb can't do that coz he's the ball winner, Young is wasted in that role (he's probably a pre-season away from being able to do what he does in first halves all game), and even Brayshaw is too good to be that. Brodie will never be that, so out of the current cattle that leaves probably Johnno, Raz and NOD (realistically more the first 2). 1 of them needs to have a monster pre-season and step into that more thankless role.

Ras makes sense to me. He doesn't appear to have the weapons the others do so isn't sacrificing anything to play the role. Should end up big enough and has the tank.

 

[nurries]

Gettable is suggesting pick 10 for Baker. That was Barker, not Bolton. It isn't a typo

9 and 17 for Bolton

So Vic Centric those guys, they will probably also say pick in the 50's for Switta

 

[Tundrawolf]

Ras makes sense to me. He doesn't appear to have the weapons the others do so isn't sacrificing anything to play the role. Should end up big enough and has the tank.

I don't usually post negatives about young players especially those who haven't really been given an opportunity, but I just don't see that Erasmus has a future with us. He is far too slow in both decision making and athletic ability. He is pretty good overhead and hopefully he improves his kicking, but I just don't see it in him.

 

[Joao]

I'll riot if we give up 10 for an OOC Baker. Absolute lunacy.

 

[Snuffaluphagus]

Gettable is suggesting pick 10 for Baker. That was Barker, not Bolton. It isn't a typo

9 and 17 for Bolton

I've found the general media values around the two extremely weird

 

[Joao]

I've found the general media values around the two extremely weird

Yep, if an OOC Baker is worth 10, there is no world where you get 4 years in contract Bolton for 9+17.

 

[millsy]

Doubt Johnson would play that role. It would bore him to tears. Plus it is very self-sacrificing. Raz when he is bigger, would probably be prepared to.

Where do we sit then in terms of preference to start next year?

If we try blend Ras in to that role, it keeps Johnson as the 5th mid and splitting time off a wing. Alternatively if Johnson is the way forward we prioritise him, lose a bit of defensive balance, but perhaps as importantly there's still not a role for Erasmus.

I personally feel we missed a trick not trying to get some progression into both this year (Johnson started slowly but did get a decent block of games in with some inside mid time before an injury?). But given where things sat six weeks ago can understand why.

 

[Snuffaluphagus]

Yep, if an OOC Baker is worth 10, there is no world where you get 4 years in contract Bolton for 9+17.

Not even Ralph is saying upfront the two best picks for Bolton, like, no one thinks it should cost that much then more than one is suggesting a top 12 for Baker which is just insane. Twomey even scoffing at 23 for Baker which is FAR close to his value than 10 IMO. Just bizarre

 

[apuchar]

I don't usually post negatives about young players especially those who haven't really been given an opportunity, but I just don't see that Erasmus has a future with us. He is far too slow in both decision making and athletic ability. He is pretty good overhead and hopefully he improves his kicking, but I just don't see it in him.

That seems a bit dated.

Where do we sit then in terms of preference to start next year?

If we try blend Ras in to that role, it keeps Johnson as the 5th mid and splitting time off a wing. Alternatively if Johnson is the way forward we prioritise him, lose a bit of defensive balance, but perhaps as importantly there's still not a role for Erasmus.

I personally feel we missed a trick not trying to get some progression into both this year (Johnson started slowly but did get a decent block of games in with some inside mid time before an injury?). But given where things sat six weeks ago can understand why.

If Fyfe stays it will likely be Johnson. Longmuir has appeared to set it in stone. Terrible stuff

 

[Sherriff Incorporated]

The one I've been thinking about for a few weeks but didn't want to bring up because I do like Coops is Mannagh

Jeez we missed a trick here, he is EXACTLY what we need in our forward line, pressure small forward who kicks goals

Coops hopefully turns into it but imagine trading Shoota out and then with the pick we got for him we drafted an instant replacement AND got pick 10


Gotta give Cats credit, they don't play around, they didn't care he was 27, backed themselves in to rise up the ladder this year and could see he would play a role.

Im in contact with a few social media groups that discuss everything draft related. Some are rubbish but one group that produces a ton of online material called the Inner Sanctum gets a ton of the draft stuff right. They said that we were interested in getting in both Mannagh and Simpson which is why we did a weird late trade of picks in the draft pick that got us Ollie Murphy. Apparently we thought Mannagh would still be available at that pick. This year they've said we've monitored Jobe Shanahan and Joshua Murphy more than other teams for what its worth.

 

[Joao]

Not even Ralph is saying upfront the two best picks for Bolton, like, no one thinks it should cost that much then more than one is suggesting a top 12 for Baker which is just insane. Twomey even scoffing at 23 for Baker which is FAR close to his value than 10 IMO. Just bizarre

It's got to be the agents driving this.

They want Bolton out and Baker wants the Tigers compensated. That's the only rationalisation I have for it.

 

[apuchar]

It's got to be the agents driving this.

They want Bolton out and Baker wants the Tigers compensated. That's the only rationalisation I have for it.

I truly don't care what Baker wants

 

[Joao]

I truly don't care what Baker wants

Me either if he expects us to pay pick 10 for him.

 

[Sherriff Incorporated]

Not even Ralph is saying upfront the two best picks for Bolton, like, no one thinks it should cost that much then more than one is suggesting a top 12 for Baker which is just insane. Twomey even scoffing at 23 for Baker which is FAR close to his value than 10 IMO. Just bizarre

Most are now saying the unknown is how much salary Richmond will pay and how that would effect a deal for both. Richmond are massively under the minimum cap if Graham, Bolton, Baker and Rioli leave. If Richmond pays a significant part of Bolton's salary then we'd have to up our trade offer.

 

[Snuffaluphagus]

It's got to be the agents driving this.

They want Bolton out and Baker wants the Tigers compensated. That's the only rationalisation I have for it.

I'd almost agree, if Bolton's agent wasnt arguably the biggest dufus in that industry. No way he has this pull / power

 

[Joao]

I'd almost agree, if Bolton's agent wasnt arguably the biggest dufus in that industry. No way he has this pull / power

Well then I have no idea.

I hope the Bolton price is correct and the Baker price is too, but to West Coast.

 

[Tundrawolf]

That seems a bit dated.

Yep fair enough, I'm usually the type to try to see the positives in players, but I guess personally I'm putting a line through him as a player who will make it. Offer him to whomever wants him.

 

[Sherriff Incorporated]

Owies and Switta are very different players though. Owies is a pure goal sneak who basically gets the leftovers from Curnow and Mckay but provides SFA up the field and is diabolically selfish at times.

Switta is not as much a goal scorer, but is 10x the player in terms of work up the field and creating scores for others.

My view on it atleast

Yeah in all seriousness go away. Among other things Switta's got two years of a contract to run and is in our leadership group. Just like Bolton won't get traded for anything less than the maximum of his trade currency due to his contracted status Switta won't get traded for an offer less than his maximum trade value. Which in his case is an early second.

 

[apuchar]

Yep fair enough, I'm usually the type to try to see the positives in players, but I guess personally I'm putting a line through him as a player who will make it. Offer him to whomever wants him.

Leg speed is his area still to improve. He has done a good job improving the other two. But if we don't have a future for him, then sure, let him go.

 

[Snuffaluphagus]

Yeah in all seriousness go away. Among other things Switta's got two years of a contract to run and is in our leadership group. Just like Bolton won't get traded for anything less than the maximum of his trade currency due to his contracted status Switta won't get traded for an offer less than his maximum trade value. Which in his case is an early second.

We need a Carlton tax of 20% added on top I reckon. Future 1st or apply elsewhere

 

[Sherriff Incorporated]

Yep fair enough, I'm usually the type to try to see the positives in players, but I guess personally I'm putting a line through him as a player who will make it. Offer him to whomever wants him.

Erasmus isn't slow and you severely underestimate his trade value. He only appears slow when he's at the very end of long runs. Over 100metres he'd be in the top dozen at the club just like Worner is. In my opinion he's moved past Johnson too. His form at WAFL level is elite. As he's one of the hardest trainers at the club underestimate him as much as you like as he'll prove you wrong in time. All he needs is an opportunity.

 

[Sherriff Incorporated]

Leg speed is his area still to improve. He has done a good job improving the other two. But if we don't have a future for him, then sure, let him go.

His leg speed and repeat sprint work looks to have improved a ton in my view. When players were doing repeat sprints last preseason he was dominating according to some of the training reports.

 

[Tundrawolf]

Erasmus isn't slow and you severely underestimate his trade value. He only appears slow when he's at the very end of long runs. Over 100metres he'd be in the top dozen at the club just like Worner is. In my opinion he's moved past Johnson too. His form at WAFL level is elite. As he's one of the hardest trainers at the club underestimate him as much as you like as he'll prove you wrong in time. All he needs is an opportunity.

I hope he does.

What do you see as his trade value, and what do you think I think his trade value is given I haven't mentioned it?