List Mgmt. 2024 List Management thread - Trade Targets Part 2

[WalshistheGOAT]

Now campaigners I know the last thing you'd ever want is a Carlton fan showing their face around ur forums but I come in peace...

I've been reading about Switta potentially leaving end of season for months on here now and wondering what you'd think would be the asking price? Our 2nd rounder (31) be enough to get it over the line? I know he's rated a bit funnily given he's a low goal scoring half forward who's primarily there for his link up play and pressure which he's one of the best at. But goals are always seen as the primary form of value for small forwards...

We have a history of trading between each other with relative good faith deals and we have a need for some better small forwards given Motlops a chubby campaigner and Owies is useless outside of a set shot 30m out. Reckon theres any chance?

 

[FreoRicci]

Now campaigners I know the last thing you'd ever want is a Carlton fan showing their face around ur forums but I come in peace...

I've been reading about Switta potentially leaving end of season for months on here now and wondering what you'd think would be the asking price? Our 2nd rounder (31) be enough to get it over the line? I know he's rated a bit funnily given he's a low goal scoring half forward who's primarily there for his link up play and pressure which he's one of the best at. But goals are always seen as the primary form of value for small forwards...

We have a history of trading between each other with relative good faith deals and we have a need for some better small forwards given Motlops a chubby campaigner and Owies is useless outside of a set shot 30m out.

Owies is useless outside of 30m?
Well that’s Switta to a tee.
He can’t kick goals when on the run from 40 out, even worst 35m out set shot. He won’t dramatically improve the forward line.

 

[gaskin]

Now campaigners I know the last thing you'd ever want is a Carlton fan showing their face around ur forums but I come in peace...

I've been reading about Switta potentially leaving end of season for months on here now and wondering what you'd think would be the asking price? Our 2nd rounder (31) be enough to get it over the line? I know he's rated a bit funnily given he's a low goal scoring half forward who's primarily there for his link up play and pressure which he's one of the best at. But goals are always seen as the primary form of value for small forwards...

We have a history of trading between each other with relative good faith deals and we have a need for some better small forwards given Motlops a chubby campaigner and Owies is useless outside of a set shot 30m out.

With how the market is vastly overrating players at the moment I can't see how 31 would get it done. We would be wanting a late 1st or early 2nd minimum.

 

[s_wd6]

Now campaigners I know the last thing you'd ever want is a Carlton fan showing their face around ur forums but I come in peace...

I've been reading about Switta potentially leaving end of season for months on here now and wondering what you'd think would be the asking price? Our 2nd rounder (31) be enough to get it over the line? I know he's rated a bit funnily given he's a low goal scoring half forward who's primarily there for his link up play and pressure which he's one of the best at. But goals are always seen as the primary form of value for small forwards...

We have a history of trading between each other with relative good faith deals and we have a need for some better small forwards given Motlops a chubby campaigner and Owies is useless outside of a set shot 30m out. Reckon theres any chance?

Leave our players alone

 

[WalshistheGOAT]

Owies is useless outside of 30m?
Well that’s Switta to a tee.
He can’t kick goals when on the run from 40 out, even worst 35m out set shot. He won’t dramatically improve the forward line.

Owies and Switta are very different players though. Owies is a pure goal sneak who basically gets the leftovers from Curnow and Mckay but provides SFA up the field and is diabolically selfish at times.

Switta is not as much a goal scorer, but is 10x the player in terms of work up the field and creating scores for others.

My view on it atleast

 

[GingerDocker]

Now campaigners I know the last thing you'd ever want is a Carlton fan showing their face around ur forums but I come in peace...

I've been reading about Switta potentially leaving end of season for months on here now and wondering what you'd think would be the asking price? Our 2nd rounder (31) be enough to get it over the line? I know he's rated a bit funnily given he's a low goal scoring half forward who's primarily there for his link up play and pressure which he's one of the best at. But goals are always seen as the primary form of value for small forwards...

We have a history of trading between each other with relative good faith deals and we have a need for some better small forwards given Motlops a chubby campaigner and Owies is useless outside of a set shot 30m out. Reckon theres any chance?

I agree with nothing you've said...except for the first bit.

 

[WalshistheGOAT]

With how the market is vastly overrating players at the moment I can't see how 31 would get it done. We would be wanting a late 1st or early 2nd minimum.

I feel like I would too as a Freo supporter... But 28 year old small forward who's about to be replaced by Shai Bolton and Liam Baker? I just can't see you guys putting up much of a fight if you were able to secure both those names and he wanted to head home.

 

[GingerDocker]

I feel like I would too as a Freo supporter... But 28 year old small forward who's about to be replaced by Shai Bolton and Liam Baker? I just can't see you guys putting up much of a fight if you were able to secure both those names and he wanted to head home.

Agreed.

If Switta wants out (presuming Bolton is on the way in) I doubt we'll make too much of a fuss.

A pick around 25 - 30 will do it.

 

[FreoRicci]

With how the market is vastly overrating players at the moment I can't see how 31 would get it done. We would be wanting a late 1st or early 2nd minimum.

He’s not a 2nd rounder. Not a chance.
Pick 31 is about the right value.

 

[apuchar]

I feel like I would too as a Freo supporter... But 28 year old small forward who's about to be replaced by Shai Bolton and Liam Baker? I just can't see you guys putting up much of a fight if you were able to secure both those names and he wanted to head home.

We have some interest in Jack Martin apparently so he could be involved somewhere unless he is delisted.

 

[Taylor]

Two years contracted, so Bryce Gibbs rule applies.

 

[Joao]

We are looking at Garcia aren’t we? Where did I hear that?

You're only pointing out the absolute apex of performance. There were still a lot of games Fyfe and Walters (especially Fyfe) had significant positive contributions throughout the season. And just on those specific standout games, we've had 14 players receive coaches votes in multiple games this year. They're 2 of those 14.

Also to me, I don't think it's that difficult to anticipate which matches they'd generally be worse in. Fyfe got 10+ CPs in every game pre-bye that he wasn't either subbed off or on in. He did the same once post-bye (vs Sydney). Sonny magically looked a lot better in the full games he played when he wasn't clearly hampered with the hand issues.

Playing basically every game when fit, playing through injuries, fairly high centre bounce attendance, getting the run-with/defensively orientated role for whole games...does that sound like the sort of thinking that gives them the best shot of contributing in a limited but high impact manner? Or does it sound like the sort of dumb decisions that give their old bodies further hurdles to overcome, and then we have to pretend to be shocked when they don't consistently overcome them.

Especially in a team like this one that seems to need winning experience (not JOM's experience), I think strongarming them out of here is dumb. If they want to retire on their own volition and think they can't go next season, it should be completely their own free choice, not the club trying to "push them out with dignity".

Fyfe is definitely useful when the ball is in tight, the problem I see (maybe just because it sticks out so much when it happens) is that any player with any speed just turns him into a witches hat once it breaks. An absolutely liability on the outside. Mundy had the same problem at the end.

Now I am not sure how the coaches balance that out, but Fyfe is very obviously a compromised player now. Maybe the inside work is worth it, but its so painful seeing him get torched like that all the time. We are one of the easiest teams to score against from stoppage this year and that's got to be a big part of it. I want more than that from a starting mid, that's all I'm saying.

With Sonny its harder to tell because on TV I only see him when directly involved but he's been fine when we're on top but seems to find it really hard to find space the rest of the time and is largely ineffectual.

The selfish part is me not wanting their legacies torched, so I do agree it's their call (and the clubs).

Now campaigners I know the last thing you'd ever want is a Carlton fan showing their face around ur forums but I come in peace...

I've been reading about Switta potentially leaving end of season for months on here now and wondering what you'd think would be the asking price? Our 2nd rounder (31) be enough to get it over the line? I know he's rated a bit funnily given he's a low goal scoring half forward who's primarily there for his link up play and pressure which he's one of the best at. But goals are always seen as the primary form of value for small forwards...

We have a history of trading between each other with relative good faith deals and we have a need for some better small forwards given Motlops a chubby campaigner and Owies is useless outside of a set shot 30m out. Reckon theres any chance?

We're absolute pansies when signing players or with our players OOC. However, Switta is in contract: 5 first rounders.



In all seriousness, he's probably as good as Schultz but in a different way (even though I'm filthy over the missed set shot). My guess is we'd ask for an F1 from a team like you.

 

[Docker82]

Fair trades between Carlton and Freo - **** off.

Players similar to Cerra almost always get two first rounders with a trade pick coming back the other way.

Acres went for a future 4th rounder. Real fair that one was.

They can go **** themselves.

Hope Brisbane beats them by 200 points in two weeks time and someone completely flattens Cripps. It's what those w***ers deserve.

 

[Midnite65]

Fyfe is definitely useful when the ball is in tight, the problem I see (maybe just because it sticks out so much when it happens) is that any player with any speed just turns him into a witches hat once it breaks. An absolutely liability on the outside. Mundy had the same problem at the end.

Now I am not sure how the coaches balance that out, but Fyfe is very obviously a compromised player now. Maybe the inside work is worth it, but its so painful seeing him get torched like that all the time. We are one of the easiest teams to score against from stoppage this year and that's got to be a big part of it. I want more than that from a starting mid, that's all I'm saying.

Young and Serong have got torched just as much as Fyfe from the centre in recent games. It might also have to do with Darcy being hampered or unavailable so they lost trust in where it was going to go.

 

[wakojako]

Now campaigners I know the last thing you'd ever want is a Carlton fan showing their face around ur forums but I come in peace...

I've been reading about Switta potentially leaving end of season for months on here now and wondering what you'd think would be the asking price? Our 2nd rounder (31) be enough to get it over the line? I know he's rated a bit funnily given he's a low goal scoring half forward who's primarily there for his link up play and pressure which he's one of the best at. But goals are always seen as the primary form of value for small forwards...

We have a history of trading between each other with relative good faith deals and we have a need for some better small forwards given Motlops a chubby campaigner and Owies is useless outside of a set shot 30m out. Reckon theres any chance?

Straight swap for Acres

 

[Paracleet]

I'd be extremely surprised if we let Switta out of his contract early other than for something approaching the equivalent value around a band of pick 18 to 22. Unless it was facilitating other high importance trades of course.

 

[Joao]

Young and Serong have got torched just as much as Fyfe from the centre in recent games. It might also have to do with Darcy being hampered or unavailable so they lost trust in where it was going to go.

If mids get out the front, nobody is defending that including any of our players and Andy is one of the best in the league at it.

But Fyfe gets smoked anywhere. He just can't close space.

 

[GingerDocker]

As a 50+ white male, I'd have the guys babies, but I really hope he's not in the starting 22 much next year.

One of, if not our best, but it's time.

 

[gaskin]

He’s not a 2nd rounder. Not a chance.
Pick 31 is about the right value.

I agree 31 is about right but I am saying the club will be wanting more.

 

[Docker82]

I'd be extremely surprised if we let Switta out of his contract early other than for something approaching the equivalent value around a band of pick 18 to 22. Unless it was facilitating other high importance trades of course.

Bolton would just replace Switta really. Baker would fit in up the ground somewhere - he isn't a forward.

I can see it now - trade out Switta and Sturt and run with a forward line of Treacy, Amiss, Jackson, Bolton, Frederick and two of Walters, Emmett, Banfield and Simpson. The first five is okay but it's completely lacking even a hint of forward pressure. Against good teams it won't be enough. Get an injury to one or two of the first five and it'll be a challenge to score against anyone.

 

[CaseySibosadoHOF]

Fyfe is definitely useful when the ball is in tight, the problem I see (maybe just because it sticks out so much when it happens) is that any player with any speed just turns him into a witches hat once it breaks. An absolutely liability on the outside. Mundy had the same problem at the end.

Now I am not sure how the coaches balance that out, but Fyfe is very obviously a compromised player now. Maybe the inside work is worth it, but its so painful seeing him get torched like that all the time. We are one of the easiest teams to score against from stoppage this year and that's got to be a big part of it. I want more than that from a starting mid, that's all I'm saying.

This specifically I agree on as a big problem. Some teams do it with everyone chipping in defensively, others do it with 1 more defensive guy, but this team doesn't have a Willem Drew. Fyfe has done everything to be that guy, but that can't be his role next season game in game out. And while there's a million reasons to do the Shai Bolton move, his time in the guts won't exactly be about defensive soundness.

Caleb can't do that coz he's the ball winner, Young is wasted in that role (he's probably a pre-season away from being able to do what he does in first halves all game), and even Brayshaw is too good to be that. Brodie will never be that, so out of the current cattle that leaves probably Johnno, Raz and NOD (realistically more the first 2). 1 of them needs to have a monster pre-season and step into that more thankless role.

 

[LongSerong]

Around 22:00 - I know Gorringe is a bit of a larrikin but it's refreshing to see a past player that's not in the FOX media landscape have an opinion on Bolton's value.

 

[apuchar]

This specifically I agree on as a big problem. Some teams do it with everyone chipping in defensively, others do it with 1 more defensive guy, but this team doesn't have a Willem Drew. Fyfe has done everything to be that guy, but that can't be his role next season game in game out. And while there's a million reasons to do the Shai Bolton move, his time in the guts won't exactly be about defensive soundness.

Caleb can't do that coz he's the ball winner, Young is wasted in that role (he's probably a pre-season away from being able to do what he does in first halves all game), and even Brayshaw is too good to be that. Brodie will never be that, so out of the current cattle that leaves probably Johnno, Raz and NOD (realistically more the first 2). 1 of them needs to have a monster pre-season and step into that more thankless role.

Doubt Johnson would play that role. It would bore him to tears. Plus it is very self-sacrificing. Raz when he is bigger, would probably be prepared to.

 

[DQ 4EVER]

Fyfe is definitely useful when the ball is in tight, the problem I see (maybe just because it sticks out so much when it happens) is that any player with any speed just turns him into a witches hat once it breaks. An absolutely liability on the outside. Mundy had the same problem at the end.

Now I am not sure how the coaches balance that out, but Fyfe is very obviously a compromised player now. Maybe the inside work is worth it, but its so painful seeing him get torched like that all the time. We are one of the easiest teams to score against from stoppage this year and that's got to be a big part of it. I want more than that from a starting mid, that's all I'm saying.

With Sonny its harder to tell because on TV I only see him when directly involved but he's been fine when we're on top but seems to find it really hard to find space the rest of the time and is largely ineffectual.

The selfish part is me not wanting their legacies torched, so I do agree it's their call (and the clubs).



We're absolute pansies when signing players or with our players OOC. However, Switta is in contract: 5 first rounders.



In all seriousness, he's probably as good as Schultz but in a different way (even though I'm filthy over the missed set shot). My guess is we'd ask for an F1 from a team like you.

My guess is uber professional & our greatest ever player, Fyfe works on his leg speed in the off season & makes a monkey out of his critics.
Look how his kicking has turned around

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[One_Wing]

Bolton wouldn't take Switta's spot in the team. We need both, he is contracted for two years and honestly why would we want another 18 year old who is still a few years away from playing AFL. Keep Switta unless someone offers something stupid for him. We don't need another 'pick 31.'