With Tabs & Hughes retiring, sounds like their might be a few whipping boy spots opening up on the list so I can see why Jack Martin is on the radar.
List Mgmt. 2024 List Management thread - Trade Targets Part 2
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I’d use the st kilda pick to bid on both of them just to keep the blues honest, any 1st round pick in this draft and they’d say “all yours”
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You can't mention the cats when by far their best player is Cameron who they did a mega trade for.
Of course nailing draft picks and lower level trades is the most important because that makes up 95% of the list.
But a mega trade signing like Cats did with Cameron and Dangerfield is a massive step towards a flag.
Hawks signing guys like Lake and Gunston was massive for them too. Now they are going hard at Barras, Battle and offered a 10 year contract to Mac Andrew.
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The key is to get them out of contract.
**** that. One of them looks like a rookie list player and the other probably goes in the 40s or 50s.
How about we focus on picking good players instead of trying to 1-up (in our heads only because I am sure Carlton DGAF) the Blues?
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As a general rule I’d agree, however we aren’t luring an OOC Bolton back to WA for 7-800k if we need to pay a slightly higher draft capital to get freos portion of his salary down to that level, it’s a price I am willing to pay. As long as it isn’t 2x top 10 picks.
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Didn’t one of the campo boys just win an award in the SANFL?
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Geeze, thought I was being conservative, the poster I was replying to suggested we use a top 10 pick to bid!
Yeah best player or something in the U18s.
Apparently is a terrible kick though. Doesn't sound like he has the weapons to compensate at AFL level. That said, watchers have been wrong before so maybe he's Judd mk2.
Not going to be easy going forward, seems like even average players are signing 4+ year deals. Expect to see a lot more trades that include 2+ first round picks.
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Played 6 games. Finished on 18 votes.
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(I’m not saying we bid, but someone should be with a late first).
It’s interesting the way people get so attached to names, particularly youth, that might have potential or sound nice on paper but never actually play an AFL game.
Take for example Conrad Williams (no slight on him just using him as an example, Kuek would be another one).
As a winger/high half forward, the gap between Williams and someone like Karl Worner who is on the fringes of AFL footy and has played a few games, would be equal or bigger in magnitude than the gap between Worner and an elite winger in the competition like Errol Gulden or Nick Daicos. It’s just that none of us ever see that gap really exposed as these lads generally never get on the park at AFL level.
The industry is just so competitive and brutal that the large majority of drafted players never make it.
Only 30% of players make it to 50 games. Only 17% make it to 100 games. On average if we draft 10 players, three will make it 50 career games.
The stats are further compounded by the fact that players in the first and early second round generally get games pumped into them early even if they haven’t earned them, thus taking away opportunities for games from others later in the draft order. No matter how bad a top 10 pick is they usually get to 50 games if they stay fit. The “Josh Schache effect”.
Tabs and Hughes did incredibly well to get a decade out of their careers. Both in the top 45 for all time appearances by freo dockers players, ever.
Take for example Conrad Williams (no slight on him just using him as an example, Kuek would be another one).
As a winger/high half forward, the gap between Williams and someone like Karl Worner who is on the fringes of AFL footy and has played a few games, would be equal or bigger in magnitude than the gap between Worner and an elite winger in the competition like Errol Gulden or Nick Daicos. It’s just that none of us ever see that gap really exposed as these lads generally never get on the park at AFL level.
The industry is just so competitive and brutal that the large majority of drafted players never make it.
Only 30% of players make it to 50 games. Only 17% make it to 100 games. On average if we draft 10 players, three will make it 50 career games.
The stats are further compounded by the fact that players in the first and early second round generally get games pumped into them early even if they haven’t earned them, thus taking away opportunities for games from others later in the draft order. No matter how bad a top 10 pick is they usually get to 50 games if they stay fit. The “Josh Schache effect”.
Tabs and Hughes did incredibly well to get a decade out of their careers. Both in the top 45 for all time appearances by freo dockers players, ever.
Depends if they trade their 1st out
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I like your stance, but I question your use of the word 'keep'.
I mean using the elite names kinda distorts things a bit. But often the margins can be incredibly small to "making it" and it's a moment here or a shift of fortunes there that can make the big difference. Even with all attempts to bring in more science, at the heart of footy clubs is a strong emotional core, strong biases and not to mention ego that can have unsound but fatal ramifications on careers. Players too mature at different rates and for every Daicos (or Ginnivan-potential flameout), there's a Menegola or (dare I say) Acres pupae ready to pop.
He clearly has a lot going for him but has drifted out with Twomey and all the watchers. Clearly something about him they don't like or have heard recruiters don't like.Played 6 games. Finished on 18 votes.
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Still, history has plenty of examples of gun juniors with knocks that turned out to be gun AFL players.
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It's got even more examples of gun juniors the recruiters didn't rate and it turned out they were right.
So, we cleared 2 off the main list (Hughes and Tabs), one Rookie (Sebit) and a Cat B (Williams)
We need to clear at least two more from the main list, so who goes?
I suggest Corbett (who'd have a chance at going to the rookie list if they want to support his comeback from his hip)
and probably a delisting of Brodie if no trade can be found.
And how many more off the rookie list go?
Stanley would be on the chopping block, although I think he has value on the list.
Tough year to cut.
I suspect there will be a surprise trade request as well (hopefully not O'Driscoll).
We need to clear at least two more from the main list, so who goes?
I suggest Corbett (who'd have a chance at going to the rookie list if they want to support his comeback from his hip)
and probably a delisting of Brodie if no trade can be found.
And how many more off the rookie list go?
Stanley would be on the chopping block, although I think he has value on the list.
Tough year to cut.
I suspect there will be a surprise trade request as well (hopefully not O'Driscoll).
With academy or F/S, if our recruiters want the player at that pick we bid if not we don’t. Yes it sucks what Carlton did and what goes around comes around at some point but no point bidding in the first round on a player rated second round just to give Carlton the bird. Would be plain dumb.
Henry was bid earlier than expected. Green slightly later than expected. We could have passed. The Carlton Shenanigans cost them in the end. Traded down and got Brodie Kemp but could have gotten more quality out of Sam Flanders or Kossie Pickett.
I read yesterday Carlton are on the chase for a quality small forward. Well you can high five ole mate Silvani for d*#king around that draft.
Henry was bid earlier than expected. Green slightly later than expected. We could have passed. The Carlton Shenanigans cost them in the end. Traded down and got Brodie Kemp but could have gotten more quality out of Sam Flanders or Kossie Pickett.
I read yesterday Carlton are on the chase for a quality small forward. Well you can high five ole mate Silvani for d*#king around that draft.
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Corbett - likely gone
Knobel - hopefully extend
Jones ??
O'Driscoll - 50/50
Reidy - 1 year extension
Stanley - In trouble
Emmett
Brodie - sent to rookie list
I think we'd be unlikely to delist a guy with a 2 years on his contract
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