List Mgmt. 2024 List Management thread - Trade Targets Part 2

[fnerd]

Zero chance he is delisted. Feel he will play a lot more games next year. Needs to add a bit more size to his super fit lean body to be able to cope with the rigours of inside contested footy.

On top of his increasing strength would love to see Ras really work on his marking.
It’s one of his better attributes already and I think if he could add to it as a strength it would give him a vital point of difference and allow more flexibility for him having second position (HFF)

 

[Madas]

Hello all, apologies for the intrusion. May I ask about the status of Neil Erasmus? There is a wild claim on the St Kilda board that he's just been delisted, but I see no support for this anywhere. Did the poster get his names mixed up or is it legit? Not trolling, just enquiring. Thx

I reckon he’s being a bit stifled at Freo and may get better opportunities elsewhere
Bolton coming in adds more pressure to midfield spots and Mat Johnson is pretty much a lock in our B22 going forward ( if he wants to be )
If Raz is happy at Peel and getting the odd injury fill in game then happy to have him , he’s ok but susceptible to slow decision making and brain farts
Wouldn’t be gutted if he moved on .

 

[austinnn]

I reckon he’s being a bit stifled at Freo and may get better opportunities elsewhere
Bolton coming in adds more pressure to midfield spots and Mat Johnson is pretty much a lock in our B22 going forward ( if he wants to be )
If Raz is happy at Peel and getting the odd injury fill in game then happy to have him , he’s ok but susceptible to slow decision making and brain farts
Wouldn’t be gutted if he moved on .

On top of his increasing strength would love to see Ras really work on his marking.
It’s one of his better attributes already and I think if he could add to it as a strength it would give him a vital point of difference and allow more flexibility for him having second position (HFF)

Won't be delisted, don't think the club is open to trading him but think it would be the best for his career

Zero chance he is delisted. Feel he will play a lot more games next year. Needs to add a bit more size to his super fit lean body to be able to cope with the rigours of inside contested footy.

Certainly not delisted and has a contract for 2025.

Some expect he could ask for a trade for opportunities, but others say he's happy and knows his path forward to get into our best 22.

Had a very good year in the WAFL, development stagnated early this year by being sub/emergency. Hopefully with us long term as Fyfe and JOM move on.

Thanks all. Poster must have his wires crossed. Good luck for 2025!

 

[apuchar]

So why play a guy who isnt AFL standard anymore?

He was playing very well in the Wafl and was proven Afl quality. It didn't work out, but it was a reasonable decision considering what was happening at Peel. I would have played Reidy in the ruck and kept Jackson forward personally but understand what the M C were thinking that particular time. And I don't agree with them often.

 

[Purple Suit]

With Tabs & Hughes retiring, sounds like their might be a few whipping boy spots opening up on the list so I can see why Jack Martin

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is on the radar.

 

[Purple Jesus]

Im really worried about us trading away both of our picks inside Carltons. We absolutely need to keep one of those so that we can bid on BOTH Camporeale boys and make those f***ers pay like they made us do so with Henry. And we should use the full 5 minutes for the first pick to have them sweating, and then as soon as they match we pick the other before the clock counts down from 4:59.

And before anyone says that it was SOS to blame not Caaarlton, I know and I’m holding on to that grudge until the time is right.

 

[Joao]

Bidding on either twin with any of our picks is just dumb. We'd probably be stuck with them.

 

[pK75]

Bidding on either twin with any of our picks is just dumb. We'd probably be stuck with them.

I’d use the st kilda pick to bid on both of them just to keep the blues honest, any 1st round pick in this draft and they’d say “all yours”

 

[Boomer93]

More often than not trades for high end picks have not for the club trading in. Look at past history... Kelly trade to west coast has killed them, cerra, schultz etc...

Geelong did very well with Cameron.

The clubs that succeed nail their draft picks and the turn players from other clubs who they get cheaply into solid players. Cats do this well. Hawks have done it with D'Ambrosio, Meek, Wettle, Ginnivan...

You can't mention the cats when by far their best player is Cameron who they did a mega trade for.

Of course nailing draft picks and lower level trades is the most important because that makes up 95% of the list.

But a mega trade signing like Cats did with Cameron and Dangerfield is a massive step towards a flag.

Hawks signing guys like Lake and Gunston was massive for them too. Now they are going hard at Barras, Battle and offered a 10 year contract to Mac Andrew.

 

[go_the_dockers]

You can't mention the cats when by far their best player is Cameron who they did a mega trade for.

Of course nailing draft picks and lower level trades is the most important because that makes up 95% of the list.

But a mega trade signing like Cats did with Cameron and Dangerfield is a massive step towards a flag.

Hawks signing guys like Lake and Gunston was massive for them too. Now they are going hard at Barras, Battle and offered a 10 year contract to Mac Andrew.

The key is to get them out of contract.

 

[Joao]

I’d use the st kilda pick to bid on both of them just to keep the blues honest, any 1st round pick in this draft and they’d say “all yours”

**** that. One of them looks like a rookie list player and the other probably goes in the 40s or 50s.

How about we focus on picking good players instead of trying to 1-up (in our heads only because I am sure Carlton DGAF) the Blues?

 

[pK75]

The key is to get them out of contract.

As a general rule I’d agree, however we aren’t luring an OOC Bolton back to WA for 7-800k if we need to pay a slightly higher draft capital to get freos portion of his salary down to that level, it’s a price I am willing to pay. As long as it isn’t 2x top 10 picks.

 

[DragoDelph]

Didn’t one of the campo boys just win an award in the SANFL?

 

[pK75]

**** that. One of them looks like a rookie list player and the other probably goes in the 40s or 50s.

How about we focus on picking good players instead of trying to 1-up (in our heads only because I am sure Carlton DGAF) the Blues?

Geeze, thought I was being conservative, the poster I was replying to suggested we use a top 10 pick to bid!

 

[Joao]

Didn’t one of the campo boys just win an award in the SANFL?

Yeah best player or something in the U18s.

Apparently is a terrible kick though. Doesn't sound like he has the weapons to compensate at AFL level. That said, watchers have been wrong before so maybe he's Judd mk2.

 

[dont bowl there]

The key is to get them out of contract.

Not going to be easy going forward, seems like even average players are signing 4+ year deals. Expect to see a lot more trades that include 2+ first round picks.

 

[DragoDelph]

Yeah best player or something in the U18s.

Apparently is a terrible kick though. Doesn't sound like he has the weapons to compensate at AFL level. That said, watchers have been wrong before so maybe he's Judd mk2.

Played 6 games. Finished on 18 votes.
Best on ground in every game.

Four-way tie for 2024 McCallum Tomkins Medal - SANFL

sanfl.com.au

 

[DragoDelph]

(I’m not saying we bid, but someone should be with a late first).

 

[Dockeroo]

It’s interesting the way people get so attached to names, particularly youth, that might have potential or sound nice on paper but never actually play an AFL game.
Take for example Conrad Williams (no slight on him just using him as an example, Kuek would be another one).

As a winger/high half forward, the gap between Williams and someone like Karl Worner who is on the fringes of AFL footy and has played a few games, would be equal or bigger in magnitude than the gap between Worner and an elite winger in the competition like Errol Gulden or Nick Daicos. It’s just that none of us ever see that gap really exposed as these lads generally never get on the park at AFL level.

The industry is just so competitive and brutal that the large majority of drafted players never make it.
Only 30% of players make it to 50 games. Only 17% make it to 100 games. On average if we draft 10 players, three will make it 50 career games.
The stats are further compounded by the fact that players in the first and early second round generally get games pumped into them early even if they haven’t earned them, thus taking away opportunities for games from others later in the draft order. No matter how bad a top 10 pick is they usually get to 50 games if they stay fit. The “Josh Schache

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effect”.

Tabs and Hughes did incredibly well to get a decade out of their careers. Both in the top 45 for all time appearances by freo dockers players, ever.

 

[kuhni]

I’d use the st kilda pick to bid on both of them just to keep the blues honest, any 1st round pick in this draft and they’d say “all yours”

Depends if they trade their 1st out

 

[Ge3ks]

I’d use the st kilda pick to bid on both of them just to keep the blues honest, any 1st round pick in this draft and they’d say “all yours”

I like your stance, but I question your use of the word 'keep'.

 

[arsesmart]

It’s interesting the way people get so attached to names, particularly youth, that might have potential or sound nice on paper but never actually play an AFL game.
Take for example Conrad Williams (no slight on him just using him as an example, Kuek would be another one).

As a winger/high half forward, the gap between Williams and someone like Karl Worner who is on the fringes of AFL footy and has played a few games, would be equal or bigger in magnitude than the gap between Worner and an elite winger in the competition like Errol Gulden or Nick Daicos. It’s just that none of us ever see that gap really exposed as these lads generally never get on the park at AFL level.

The industry is just so competitive and brutal that the large majority of drafted players never make it.
Only 30% of players make it to 50 games. Only 17% make it to 100 games. On average if we draft 10 players, three will make it 50 career games.
The stats are further compounded by the fact that players in the first and early second round generally get games pumped into them early even if they haven’t earned them, thus taking away opportunities for games from others later in the draft order. No matter how bad a top 10 pick is they usually get to 50 games if they stay fit. The “Josh Schache effect”.

Tabs and Hughes did incredibly well to get a decade out of their careers. Both in the top 45 for all time appearances by freo dockers players, ever.

I mean using the elite names kinda distorts things a bit. But often the margins can be incredibly small to "making it" and it's a moment here or a shift of fortunes there that can make the big difference. Even with all attempts to bring in more science, at the heart of footy clubs is a strong emotional core, strong biases and not to mention ego that can have unsound but fatal ramifications on careers. Players too mature at different rates and for every Daicos (or Ginnivan-potential flameout), there's a Menegola or (dare I say) Acres pupae ready to pop.

 

[Joao]

Played 6 games. Finished on 18 votes.
Best on ground in every game.

Four-way tie for 2024 McCallum Tomkins Medal - SANFL

sanfl.com.au

He clearly has a lot going for him but has drifted out with Twomey and all the watchers. Clearly something about him they don't like or have heard recruiters don't like.

Still, history has plenty of examples of gun juniors with knocks that turned out to be gun AFL players.

 

[Paracleet]

He clearly has a lot going for him but has drifted out with Twomey and all the watchers. Clearly something about him they don't like or have heard recruiters don't like.

Still, history has plenty of examples of gun juniors with knocks that turned out to be gun AFL players.

It's got even more examples of gun juniors the recruiters didn't rate and it turned out they were right.

 

[TheLastCall]

So, we cleared 2 off the main list (Hughes and Tabs), one Rookie (Sebit) and a Cat B (Williams)

We need to clear at least two more from the main list, so who goes?
I suggest Corbett (who'd have a chance at going to the rookie list if they want to support his comeback from his hip)
and probably a delisting of Brodie if no trade can be found.
And how many more off the rookie list go?
Stanley would be on the chopping block, although I think he has value on the list.

Tough year to cut.
I suspect there will be a surprise trade request as well (hopefully not O'Driscoll).