List Mgmt. 2024 List Management thread - Trade Targets Part 2

[Ge3ks]

I will legitimately f***ing cry if Sturt leaves us.

Get a grip man.

 

[dont bowl there]

I think we make top 4 without any changes. Get another elite forward or two and we are contending.

Not sure how we can stuff up when we are so draft capital rich. After slowly building and meticulously planning our path, they aren’t going to go blow it all on one go. Have some faith.

Even 2018 is now less than a disaster considering the return we got on Shultz. Everything we touch is working out, even if we still fall short on the field.

There is no way we can screw up the rebuild in this off-season, we either trade for needs ie Bolton or we stay the same and go to the draft with 3 high picks. The draft route would be a mistake IMO but either way the rebuild won't be determined at this offseason.

 

[MadMundy]

If Sturt leaves I'm going to be so mad I'll write a strongly worded comment on BigFooty complaining.

 

[mike91]

If Sturt leaves I'm going to be so mad I'll write a strongly worded comment on BigFooty complaining.

The vent thread isn't ready for the chaos coming!

 

[go_the_dockers]

The vent thread isn't ready for the chaos coming!

I am not sure the mods are ready either.

 

[Paracleet]

Get a grip man.

I dunno I think it's refreshing he is prepared to show his inner vulnerability. Not afraid of seeming weakness in displaying raw emotion...

 

[MadMundy]

The vent thread isn't ready for the chaos coming!

Oh boy, when the vent thread feels that wrath it won't know what hit it, it will be the ventiest vent that has ever vented.

 

[Wharfie Wagon]

Nah, as dire as swapping Sturt for Martin would be, after the Pies off-seasons leading up to 2023, they've demonstrated it is basically impossible to take yourself out of contention with a single bad off-season.

The Pies' poor off seasons leading to 2023 showed that there's much more wiggle room for a big Vic club.

Smaller interstate clubs need to get everything right to win a premiership. Fewer free agents and father sons to bail us out.

 

[Dirty_banchez]

"I can save him" - Fremantle Dockers

 

[Mr Cheese]

"I can save him" - Fremantle Dockers

 

[go_the_dockers]

Nah, as dire as swapping Sturt for Martin would be, after the Pies off-seasons leading up to 2023, they've demonstrated it is basically impossible to take yourself out of contention with a single bad off-season.

I am trying to be glass half full, but with so many moving pieces I just feel this off season will either set up our dynasty or could stuff it up.

Lot's of potential ins, a lot of draft picks, and hopefully not too many best 22 leaving.

 

[freo84]

If Sturt leaves I'm going to be so mad I'll write a strongly worded comment on BigFooty complaining.

 

[arsesmart]

I think an injury prone 30 year old is exactly what this team needs

An injury prone Jesse on the other hand...

 

[David Bubb]

Getting Martin for virtually free is no issue for mine. Depth at the very worst, if he gets his body right he takes Banfield's spot. Taberner, Corbett, Sebit? are unlikely to be on the list next year, so I don't think bringing Martin in has anything to do with Sturt leaving. Just replacing departing depth forwards (yes I know Martin is a very different player from those three)

 

[pK75]

Martin is clearly a Bolton plan B, or perhaps he was the plan A before Bolton became real, picking up Martin for a bag of chip and Berry in the first round means we have a Walters replacement for now (Martin) and two years down the track (Berry) I would hope it has nothing whatsoever to do with Sturt.

 

[JammoMonty]

If Sturt wants out not much they can do.

I think Martin would be more depth and see if they can get his body right.

Sturt after more

 

[dont bowl there]

Getting Martin for virtually free is no issue for mine. Depth at the very worst, if he gets his body right he takes Banfield's spot. Taberner, Corbett, Sebit? are unlikely to be on the list next year, so I don't think bringing Martin in has anything to do with Sturt leaving. Just replacing departing depth forwards (yes I know Martin is a very different player from those three)

Honestly, it's such a nothing issue if we get Martin for sweet f-all. He either sits on the list and doesn't get a game/injured or he could potentially play a role in pushing top 4.

 

[Alfonz]

It may simply be that we don't have the money to match the offer(s) Sturt is getting from Victoria.

My back of the envelope calculations has a guess of 9.3 million for our top 13 ... 800k per Darcy-Jackson-Serong-Young-Cox-Brayshaw, 800k for Bolton (Richmond pay 400k), 1.2 million for Chad, 500k per Pearce-Clark-Ryan-Amiss-Treacy. Do people think this is too high/low/fair? I think I have been conservative, for example Treacy could be commanding way more than 500k. Obviously there is back/front loading, bonuses, smooth Bolton out over more years, etc. But ignoring that for simplicity.

That leaves 9 million for the 2026 salary cap to pay the other 31 players (290k per player) that could be on our list. We can clean out Fyfe, Walters, JOM, Aish, Brodie. There will be a bunch on minimum/rookie wages to increase the average available for the rest. Put greenhorns on 150k and fringe players like Banfield on 200-250k and we can squeeze out 400-500k type contracts for the solid best 22 players. But it is tight. If someone is offering big years and money for Sturt, we might not be able to match it.

I'm ignoring the "marketing" allowance that is in the CBA ... total (not p.a.) 1.3 million per club to 2027.

I'm prepared that Bolton is done for 9+10 and nothing coming back except salary and maybe late junk picks. I hope we get a better deal, but it is doing my head in reading people melt about paying overs for him in draft picks while completely ignoring our salary cap situation. I think we need to put Baker in the bin as well.

 

[go_the_dockers]

It may simply be that we don't have the money to match the offer(s) Sturt is getting from Victoria.

I think if this is the situation, then simply you say no to Bolton.

Does Bolton in, and Sturt out move the needle that much. I don't think so.

 

[Snuffaluphagus]

I think if this is the situation, then simply you say no to Bolton.

Does Bolton in, and Sturt out move the needle that much. I don't think so.

I mean, it does, Bolton is a vastly superior player, even Sturts dad Spirit Level will admit that. It shouldnt cost Sturt though when we are re-signing inferior players that are easier to replace such as Wagner and Banfield.

 

[Duz97]

I think if this is the situation, then simply you say no to Bolton.

Does Bolton in, and Sturt out move the needle that much. I don't think so.

Does an all Australian premiership player who’s 25 for an inconsistent 4th fwd that sometimes shows up move the needle? This is another case of over rating what we have and undervaluing the opposition

 

[RazzleDazzler]

Lets tell Baker to fist himself. We dont want to be anyones second choice

 

[The Lobbster]

I think if this is the situation, then simply you say no to Bolton.

Does Bolton in, and Sturt out move the needle that much. I don't think so.

Well statistically Sturt kicks slightly more goals per game with a significantly better accuracy. However that’s about it from their career stats.

Bolton gets more disposals, marks (contested or otherwise), tackles and score involvements. Now obviously Sturt is younger so he has plenty of time to draw even but it’s a big gamble

 

[Dirty_banchez]

I think if this is the situation, then simply you say no to Bolton.

Does Bolton in, and Sturt out move the needle that much. I don't think so.

Bolton is a lock. Tigers know Bolton will ask again next year and there's no guarantee Freo will have the same currency to get a deal done next year.

Bolton is a gun. Pound for pound he'd be our best forward next year.

 

[go_the_dockers]

I mean, it does, Bolton is a vastly superior player, even Sturts dad Spirit Level will admit that. It shouldnt cost Sturt though when we are re-signing inferior players that are easier to replace such as Wagner and Banfield.

Pick 10, pick 16, Sturt, 800k in salary cap space or Bolton.

Agree than Sturt should not be the casualty of bring Bolton in, especially when we just signed on Reidy and Banners.