List Mgmt. 2024 List Management thread - Trade Targets Part 2

[Ge3ks]

If Sturt does leave, none of you F&^%ers can boo him, cos if you do I will come around and punch each and every one of you in the dick or vag.

 

[Dirty_banchez]

Bolton won’t be in the conversation at Freo after this trade period if a deal isn’t worked out. I’m not keen on Bolton with that massive contract. Kosi Pickett would cost far less. 350-400k less

Demons think they are still in the window. No chance they trade Kozzie etc... while they have that mindset.

As for Sturt and $$$. I think the sticking point is around contract length. Sturt wants a deal that takes him to FA where he will be an UFA. The club was likely hoping to get him to sign a similar deal to Banfield.

It probably ends up being a 3x550k deal with performance triggers that could push him over 600k.

 

[Van_Dyke]

I am not sure the mods are ready either.

as someone that has been beating the sturt drums for a good 4 years at least I will be in the trenches venting myself

 

[freo84]

If Sturt does leave, none of you F&^%ers can boo him, cos if you do I will come around and punch each and every one of you in the dick or vag.

 

[Dayts]

If Sturt does leave, none of you F&^%ers can boo him, cos if you do I will come around and punch each and every one of you in the dick or vag.

How about my back eye ?

 

[Alfonz]

Bolton is on 1.2 million.
Bolton plus 2 other players on min salary is 1.5 million.
If you sign Bolton, Banfield plays most weeks and at best you have 1 first round pick.

Other option is Sturt - 500k, Baker - 600k, and someone like Richards - 400k.
If you don't, you go to the draft with 3 first rounds picks.

Who cares if Bolton turns up when he comes to WA, in the 5 or 6 games he has played. I don't think it improves our 22, if Sturt and other players are pushed out especially as it costs you multiple first round picks.

How many times does it need to be spelled out to you that we will not be paying the 1.2 million. We can't. We will be buying 400k p.a (or whatever number ... something significant) by giving Richmond an extra 1st rounder to what Bolton would cost in a normal trade.

You've just given 1.5 million to Sturt + Baker + Richards. Good lord. I will give that 1.5 million to Sturt + Bolton + Mr Nobody. Mr Nobody will be in the 2's, just where Richards would be. So my side has Sturt + Bolton, and your side is far worse with Sturt + Baker.

Who cares if Bolton has turned up and dominated 7 out of the last 8 games he has played at our home ground? I think a few people would care.

 

[dominguez]

I think if this is the situation, then simply you say no to Bolton.

Does Bolton in, and Sturt out move the needle that much. I don't think so.

How often is Bolton among the best 5 players on the ground? About once a month? I'd say Sturt has never been in the 5 best players on the ground, possibly his debut game being the exception.

 

[dominguez]

hope we ask for a first rounder, and just say that we’ll let the tigers take him in the psd if not.

(If it’s not the tigers that have turned his head, then we’re screwed).

I’ll be disappointed if he goes, but if the club isn’t willing to match, there must be doubt on durability.

Some times the money just doesn't make sense to match. I love Griffin Logue, but to match his offer would have made him our highest paid defender so was a good business decision to trade him.

 

[dominguez]

If Sturt does leave, none of you F&^%ers can boo him, cos if you do I will come around and punch each and every one of you in the dick or vag.

Guys like Meek, Acres, Logue, etc that get squeezed out don't generally get booed? It's more the mercenaries that deserve a BOOOOO.

 

[go_the_dockers]

How many times does it need to be spelled out to you that we will not be paying the 1.2 million. We can't. We will be buying 400k p.a (or whatever number ... something significant) by giving Richmond an extra 1st rounder to what Bolton would cost in a normal trade.

You've just given 1.5 million to Sturt + Baker + Richards. Good lord. I will give that 1.5 million to Sturt + Bolton + Mr Nobody. Mr Nobody will be in the 2's, just where Richards would be. So my side has Sturt + Bolton, and your side is far worse with Sturt + Baker.

Who cares if Bolton has turned up and dominated 7 out of the last 8 games he has played at our home ground? I think a few people would care.

As soon as we get one injury, you have Banfield playing, then Dealan.

My team has Richards, 3 first round picks, then Banfield.
These players will go past some of the best 22, improving the overall squad, increasing competition and leading to long term success.

This is why I believe we are better to pass on Bolton. Understand, not everyone agrees.

 

[dominguez]

Demons think they are still in the window. No chance they trade Kozzie etc... while they have that mindset.

As for Sturt and $$$. I think the sticking point is around contract length. Sturt wants a deal that takes him to FA where he will be an UFA. The club was likely hoping to get him to sign a similar deal to Banfield.

It probably ends up being a 3x550k deal with performance triggers that could push him over 600k.

That's a lot of years and dollars for a fringe player?

Depending on trade week we could see in 2025 -
HF - Baker Treacy Frederick
FF - Bolton Amiss Jackson

With Banfield, Switkowski, Simpson, Walters and Sturt fighting for that 7th spot on the bench.

 

[Vimal Anand]

If Richmond will pay a huge chunk of salary for two to three years that might pay for Sturt and others in there, but you'd want to be damn sure before you locked yourself into it

That means conversation may be going on between us and tigers and Sturt waiting for clarity?

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[ignoramus]

I keep flip-flopping on Sturt.

On the one hand, I really like what he adds to the side and his endeavour and contest work have increased dramatically this season. But then people keep on comparing him to players who I primarily associate with the 2013 Hawthorn side.

I mean, it's not as bad as saying he's like Gaff or Worsfold, but it doesn't quite have the persuasive effect that people seem to think it does.

 

[dont bowl there]

As soon as we get one injury, you have Banfield playing, then Dealan.

My team has Richards, 3 first round picks, then Banfield.
These players will go past some of the best 22, improving the overall squad, increasing competition and leading to long term success.

This is why I believe we are better to pass on Bolton. Understand, not everyone agrees.

We aren't winning a flag in 25/26/27 with your team but we could with Bolton.

Sorry, that should read. We are a small chance to win a flag with your team in 25/26/27 but a far far greater chance with Bolton.

 

[Taylor]

That means conversation may be going on between us and tigers and Sturt waiting for clarity?

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I'd expect so.

 

[pK75]

I keep flip-flopping on Sturt.

On the one hand, I really like what he adds to the side and his endeavour and contest work have increased dramatically this season. But then people keep on comparing him to players who I primarily associate with the 2013 Hawthorn side.

I mean, it's not as bad as saying he's like Gaff or Worsfold, but it doesn't quite have the persuasive effect that people seem to think it does.

He’s our Fritch from the dees, that’s the player I think he most resembles in the way he plays, although this year Sturt is actually applying more pressure than the Dees version.

 

[go_the_dockers]

We aren't winning a flag in 25/26/27 with your team but we could with Bolton.

Sorry, that should read. We are a small chance to win a flag with your team in 25/26/27 but a far far greater chance with Bolton.

Maybe the question should be is when are we aiming to win a flag ? What is realistic?


Most of the A graders are under 25. I think we are 2 years away from the window, with or with out Bolton.

I think most GF teams have the core of the team between 26 and 30.

It is only really Pearce (29), Ryan (28) and Cox (26 ) that are a bit older. (Ignoring JOM, Fyfe and Walters who are borderline best 22 next year)

 

[Alfonz]

As soon as we get one injury, you have Banfield playing, then Dealan.

My team has Richards, 3 first round picks, then Banfield.
These players will go past some of the best 22, improving the overall squad, increasing competition and leading to long term success.

This is why I believe we are better to pass on Bolton. Understand, not everyone agrees.

It's not straight to Banfield and then Delean. There's Emmett, Walters, Simpson. Could bring in Winder for minimum wage instead of Richards and you'll still have a high level state league player. And it's all a wash of B/C graders who aren't going to do much at AFL level. Plus, we could give up two firsts for Bolton and still draft forwards like Berry and Davis with our 2 other picks (assuming Baker is in the bin).

 

[dont bowl there]

Maybe the question should be is when are we aiming to win a flag ? What is realistic?


Most of the A graders are under 25. I think we are 2 years away from the window, with or with out Bolton.

I think most GF teams have the core of the team between 26 and 30.

It is only really Pearce (29), Ryan (28) and Cox (26 ) that are a bit older. (Ignoring JOM, Fyfe and Walters who are borderline best 22 next year)

We should be aiming at 2025 and if we aren't then I agree with you that we should be going to the draft again. This is the weakest I have ever seen the AFL, the media calls the competition even but that just means there isn't a standout team. We should be doing all we can to win it all in 2025.

 

[Alfonz]

Maybe the question should be is when are we aiming to win a flag ? What is realistic?


Most of the A graders are under 25. I think we are 2 years away from the window, with or with out Bolton.

I think most GF teams have the core of the team between 26 and 30.

It is only really Pearce (29), Ryan (28) and Cox (26 ) that are a bit older. (Ignoring JOM, Fyfe and Walters who are borderline best 22 next year)

Put Bolton in the side and it is on like donkey kong for the 2025 premiership. I would be disappointed if we didn't go all the way if we had a good injury run. Add Warner in end of 2025, and it would be a monumental failure (again, injuries aside) to not win the 2026 flag.

 

[pK75]

We should be aiming at 2025 and if we aren't then I agree with you that we should be going to the draft again. This is the weakest I have ever seen the AFL, the media calls the competition even but that just means there isn't a standout team. We should be doing all we can to win it all in 2025.

Yep, it’s why the prospect of missing finals this year is so depressing, did the ladder predictor and if we scrape in it would be Hawks, Cats, Sydney, GWS to claim the flag, with Treacy, Pearce and Darcy (or even just two of them) back it looks doable.

 

[go_the_dockers]

Put Bolton in the side and it is on like donkey kong for the 2025 premiership. I would be disappointed if we didn't go all the way if we had a good injury run. Add Warner in end of 2025, and it would be a monumental failure (again, injuries aside) to not win the 2026 flag.

I think this is pretty close to our best 22 at the moment.

DOCKERS
B: L.Ryan, A. Pearce , B.Cox
HB: B.Walker, H.Chapman, J.Clark
C: J.O’Meara, H.Young, J.Sharp
HF: B.Banfield, S.Switkowski, M.Frederick
F: J.Amiss, J. Treacy , L.Jackson
FOLL: S. Darcy , C.Serong - C, A.Brayshaw
I/C: N.O’Driscoll, N.Fyfe, M.Johnson, C.Wagner, S.Sturt



By 2026 at the latest, Walters, Fyfe, Aish, O'Meara are gone. I don't think they will offer much next year.

If are also losing players like Sturt and Switta, then suddenly our depth starts to get really tested. Banfield, Fyfe, Walters and Jaegar played 100

I really feel we don't have the depth to replace Walters, Fyfe, Aish, O'Meara if we don't hit the draft. Let alone losing Sturt and\or Switta as well.

DOCKERS
B: L.Ryan, A. Pearce , B.Cox
HB: B.Walker, H.Chapman, J.Clark
C: J.O’Meara, H.Young, J.Sharp
HF: Simpson, Bolton, M.Frederick
F: J.Amiss, J. Treacy , L.Jackson
FOLL: S. Darcy , C.Serong - C, A.Brayshaw
I/C: N.O’Driscoll, Erasmus, M.Johnson, C.Wagner, Warner


P.Voss, J.Draper, L.Reidy, Banfield, Wagner, Simpson.

No doubt the best 22 improves short term, but it absolutely kills our depth.

I think we are a lot better only getting one of Bolton and Warner, keeping players like Sturt, Switta happy, hitting the draft and having a good 25 to 30 players. As we have seen this year, you need more than 23 players to win a premiership.

 

[dont bowl there]

Yep, it’s why the prospect of missing finals this year is so depressing, did the ladder predictor and if we scrape in it would be Hawks, Cats, Sydney, GWS to claim the flag, with Treacy, Pearce and Darcy (or even just two of them) back it looks doable.

There is not a single team in the finals that I don't think we can beat if we can get those guys back.

 

[Joao]

We can win any one fixture as a one-off, but I doubt we could win more than 1 or 2 given they'd all be on the road.

 

[pK75]

I think this is pretty close to our best 22 at the moment.

DOCKERS
B: L.Ryan, A. Pearce , B.Cox
HB: B.Walker, H.Chapman, J.Clark
C: J.O’Meara, H.Young, J.Sharp
HF: B.Banfield, S.Switkowski, M.Frederick
F: J.Amiss, J. Treacy , L.Jackson
FOLL: S. Darcy , C.Serong - C, A.Brayshaw
I/C: N.O’Driscoll, N.Fyfe, M.Johnson, C.Wagner, S.Sturt



By 2026 at the latest, Walters, Fyfe, Aish, O'Meara are gone. I don't think they will offer much next year.

If are also losing players like Sturt and Switta, then suddenly our depth starts to get really tested. Banfield, Fyfe, Walters and Jaegar played 100

I really feel we don't have the depth to replace Walters, Fyfe, Aish, O'Meara if we don't hit the draft. Let alone losing Sturt and\or Switta as well.

DOCKERS
B: L.Ryan, A. Pearce , B.Cox
HB: B.Walker, H.Chapman, J.Clark
C: J.O’Meara, H.Young, J.Sharp
HF: Simpson, Bolton, M.Frederick
F: J.Amiss, J. Treacy , L.Jackson
FOLL: S. Darcy , C.Serong - C, A.Brayshaw
I/C: N.O’Driscoll, Erasmus, M.Johnson, C.Wagner, Warner


P.Voss, J.Draper, L.Reidy, Banfield, Wagner, Simpson.

No doubt the best 22 improves short term, but it absolutely kills our depth.

I think we are a lot better only getting one of Bolton and Warner, keeping players like Sturt, Switta happy, hitting the draft and having a good 25 to 30 players. As we have seen this year, you need more than 23 players to win a premiership.

Think you just lost any remaining credibility by placing banners on the field instead of Sturt in your current B22!