Actually nothing would please me more than getting Bolton done for 9 and 27 on the first day. Then having 10 and 17 on the table for the whole trade period, Walls with his feet up on the table and a Bush Chook resting on the guts
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Actually nothing would please me more than getting Bolton done for 9 and 27 on the first day. Then having 10 and 17 on the table for the whole trade period, Walls with his feet up on the table and a Bush Chook resting on the guts
If he does it every year, but it's only become noisy this year then this points to Melbourne entertaining it.
We must stay strong and continue to huff copium.
I love to procrastinate with trade speculations. Rioli and Bolton involved in a 3 way. I had a go at this earlier. GC will give up 6 BUT on the provision they get 9, which we hold. Still get ahead of a Lombard bid.
So here goes:
GC out 6, 13, 20 in Rioli, 9, 29 and bunch of later picks for points. Values Rioli ~ 6 but better than giving 6 direct + I’m not accounting for the later picks, which will hold value.
Freo out 9, 10, 27 in Bolton, 20 + 2025 later round upgrades in our favour. Values Bolton ~ 2 + I’m not accounting for the later picks, which will hold value. There will be a salary component in giving up 9 + 10, which is why we’ll part with 9 + 10.
Richmond out Rioli, Bolton, 20, 29 in 6, 10, 13
All sort of pick exchanges, swaps and upgrades. GC favour 2024. Our favour 2025.
This will leave us with ~17, 20(last pick of first round) + F1.
We will then need to get to work to use these 3 late firsts to get Pickett.
I know the obvious is 9 and F1 for Bolton and whatever then 10 and ~ 17 for Pickett but it never works out as easy as it looks.
One thing we definitely have is enough picks to be flexible with our deals.
So here goes:
GC out 6, 13, 20 in Rioli, 9, 29 and bunch of later picks for points. Values Rioli ~ 6 but better than giving 6 direct + I’m not accounting for the later picks, which will hold value.
Freo out 9, 10, 27 in Bolton, 20 + 2025 later round upgrades in our favour. Values Bolton ~ 2 + I’m not accounting for the later picks, which will hold value. There will be a salary component in giving up 9 + 10, which is why we’ll part with 9 + 10.
Richmond out Rioli, Bolton, 20, 29 in 6, 10, 13
All sort of pick exchanges, swaps and upgrades. GC favour 2024. Our favour 2025.
This will leave us with ~17, 20(last pick of first round) + F1.
We will then need to get to work to use these 3 late firsts to get Pickett.
I know the obvious is 9 and F1 for Bolton and whatever then 10 and ~ 17 for Pickett but it never works out as easy as it looks.
One thing we definitely have is enough picks to be flexible with our deals.
I think that "it's an every year thing" is more a deflection and hope thing emanating from MFC. It came about at contract negotiating time mainly.
Anyway, if it is an every year thing, that suggests he's not settled at Melbourne and, he wants to be loyal, but the pull home is strong.
If Pickett makes a subtle request to leave every year, then surely there is some substance to his request(s), which will eventually come to fruition.....time for Melbourne to give up on the charade. Pickett will eventually leave - Freo must seize on the opportunity.
Different scenario, but somewhat similar. I went to the UK for work. After a year I came home, only for 2 weeks then went back. Loved it. Time of my life. Each year I sort of thought, when should I go home. Stayed another 5. At no point was I ‘needing’ to go home, but was just a somewhat regular ‘when’.
Once I decided, I lasted 6 more months and came home.
I don’t think it would be too different.
If Pickett has these regular thoughts, best to just let him go. The whole ‘we’ll support him’ line is literally telling you the best support you can provide is to give him what he wants.
Yeah yeah players have all the power and why sign a contract, we’ll surely the club would’ve said ‘We want to give you 4 years, we’ll support you, but this protects us and should you really need to leave we’ll be looked after and we’ll look after you’ Surely, clubs aren’t holding players to contracts when they play the homesick card.
They don’t have to look too far into the past when this has happened and how it turned out.
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Hopefully it’s just respect for the club atm but closer to actual trade week he drops the hammer making it clear as day he wants out.
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I wish I trusted Daniels more, if you take him at face value, he asked Freo if he can get there and it's up to us to see if it can get done. When you remember Freo have been chasing him forever and we are always linked, you'd think that should just need him to force the issue a bit with Melbourne and its a done deal.
I just dont trust RD enough on these things though until we get something really official.
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this would definitely be how the Eagles proposed trading for Bolton..
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It's sounding like a hostage situation.
There has been a lot of talk about Pickett in the past few days and it hasn’t been shot down by his Manager or Melbourne saying they refuse to trade him.
Based on recent trades, I think the below is fair and on par with what Tom Morris thinks.
Pickett - 9 and future 2nd
Bolton - 10 and 26
Maybe a small sweetener on there, but nothing major.
I don’t get the need to trade 9 and 10 for either. That is such a high trade price. Can anyone show a recent equivalent trade of this price? Some of the suggested trades are above neale or Jeremy Cameron level.
Both players have young kids or soon to be young kids, so a genuine go home reason. Melbourne didn’t agree to a Harrison Petty trade so knows what they will do.
Based on recent trades, I think the below is fair and on par with what Tom Morris thinks.
Pickett - 9 and future 2nd
Bolton - 10 and 26
Maybe a small sweetener on there, but nothing major.
I don’t get the need to trade 9 and 10 for either. That is such a high trade price. Can anyone show a recent equivalent trade of this price? Some of the suggested trades are above neale or Jeremy Cameron level.
Both players have young kids or soon to be young kids, so a genuine go home reason. Melbourne didn’t agree to a Harrison Petty trade so knows what they will do.
Both of those deals seem awesome, which means they’re probably both unders.
I’m perfectly happy to give up 2 x firsts but would expect picks back or salary paid.
Where it gets ‘tricky’ is if a team is greedy and wanting WAY overs.
If Pickett makes the request. We can value them both similarly and plonk it on the table. One of them will bite first.
Personally, I don’t see how we don’t get these deals done.
I can't see how we can get both without giving up at a very minimum all three of the first round picks we have this year.
Melbournes turmoil also sets us up beautifully.
Whether real or not. Imagine going through all of this turmoil and then holding a homesick player who requests a trade to their contract.
They don’t need to bend over, but if we offer 2 firsts in some way for Pickett and they hold him, just imagine the added negative media.
Whether real or not. Imagine going through all of this turmoil and then holding a homesick player who requests a trade to their contract.
They don’t need to bend over, but if we offer 2 firsts in some way for Pickett and they hold him, just imagine the added negative media.
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The complicating factor in any trade deals would be a bidding war with West Coast. It would be in both Freo and WCE's interests to be having a quiet chat in the back room of a bar about divvying up the pickings to mutual benefit. I hate to say it but it's true. It's frenemy time.
Totally agree, if we walk away with Bolton and Pickett and no first round picks for 2024/2025 I am more than comfortable with that.
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It won't in the end but don't be surprised if both Melbourne and Richmond's opening position is asking for all 3 firsts for each player.
Luckily for us the turmoil is real, the club is in a serious state of crisis. Their best three players are Gawn, Trac and Oliver. They put Oliver up for trade last year and now Trac wants out, disregarding the other issues (punch ups in public, drug arrests and bans) having two of your best three players in trade talks is absolutely a crisis.
You have a newborn in that time?
(ps whenever I hear some pundit in the media bemoaning "players have all the power"? I l'm thinking... Who do you think benefits when players switch clubs? -hint they're in that sentence)
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The thing I get from these media trade suggestions is Richmond supporters are so far up their own arse on how good Bolton actually is that they can't see straight. A not small number honestly think 9 and 10 would be unders.
Shout out to the 4ish Richmond posters on here that are ****ing awesome.
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