List Mgmt. 2024 List Management thread - Trade Targets

[Ge3ks]

I'm sure over the years he has made comments to the effect of how much he likes Melbourne and wants to stay there.

 

[Paracleet]

Rumour was we were shredding cap space for Angus Brayshaw. No idea if correct. Would explain the lowball offers for Acres/Logue. We started to increase our offer for Logue but too late and North blew that out of the water. We were prepared to just let Acres go.

This year we are replacing Hamling with DFA McDonald from VFL, possibly rookie list Sharp as replacement for Henry (who would have received pay increase) and then replace Wilson and Colyer with National draft first year players. We also lost Shultz and will replace with ND or Rookie Draft player.

Also the cap has increased.

I’m ok with a couple of new players coming in.

The cap has increased but we as club are pretty much no. 1 on the list of most players signed up long term before the cap increase came in, meaning we wear those increases automatically (having not engaged in Dodo skullduggery). You look at our best dozen or so players under 25 a lot of them are signed out 3 years plus from now and were inked before the cap agreement.

Andrew Brayshaw	2025
Brennan Cox	2030
Caleb Serong	2027
Hayden Young	2027
Heath Chapman	2027
Jordan Clark	2025
Josh Treacy	2026
Jye Amiss	2029
Luke Jackson	2029
Matt Johnson	2026
Michael Frederick	2026
Neil Erasmus	2025
Sean Darcy	2024

Only Cox signed after (hopefully Darcy!). I reckon 2026 to to 2029 we already have a significant amount of cap taken up due to the scaling up of those existing deals. Our 'War Chest' will be to front and back end deals.

BTW to do some comparisons to hammer home the point: Hawthorn only have two players signed to 2027 (Sicily and Day) and none past it. We have 7 signed to 2027 or later. Adelaide 2, Port 3: comparing teams with similar best 22 demographics. The first mature team I checked (Melbourne) had 5. I'm not going to check any more as a) I am supposed to be working and b) I might undercover something that undermines my point.

 

[CapitalA]

I am interested to know how we have a big enough war chest to go after 2-3 big targets after signing Jackson, Amiss, Serong Ryan & Young in the last 12 months and about to sign Darcy.
Added that Bradshaw needs an extension soon.

Going with minimum main list players and getting extra rookies for the last few years. Plus new RBA. Plus senior players leaving/signing new smaller contracts.

 

[Joao]

Cal more to the point said we are red hot into McDonald and will also have a crack at adding another player or two via trade and/or free agency both local and interstate.

I’d expect we are targeting someone via free agency. Without knowing much at all the following names in free agency would be worth keeping an eye on:
Andrew McGrath (wing)
Ben Ainsworth (fwd/mid)
Cam Zurhaar (med fwd)
Todd Marshall (KPF)
Ollie Florent (wing)

I did listen to that.

I hope we're not throwing cash at any of those blokes as I wouldn't pay the FA salary premium for any of them.

I'd hope we'd have a red hot crack at the A graders and if we miss just try the next year. If we start winning again we'll be much more appealing to those types than we will be next year.

 

[UYD 4 Life]

McCluggage would be the FA to go after

 

[Paracleet]

Look as known Bell truther I do have to give him and Walls some credit. They have actually had a very tricky job to do. Through good drafting and luck we have barely missed with our first and second round picks between 2016 and 2021 and it has created a very large pool of high talent all more or less around the same age. We have all seen how hard this sort of thing has been for clubs to manage. GC and GWS just keep losing guys because they can't fit them in the cap.

Any fool can just pay people and deal with the consequences later. Unlike the above though we would never get the handouts and support required to replace players we would lose in the same circumstances. We could take the dogs approach and simply pay them whatever they want, but then you have fill the bottom half of you 22 with spuds and journeymen. Trying to lock all these guys in and still give us room to move is a very fine line to tread and we're bound to slip off it a bit. If it pays off though jackpot.

 

[Spirit Level]

Look as known Bell truther I do have to give him and Walls some credit. They have actually had a very tricky job to do. Through good drafting and luck we have barely missed with our first and second round picks between 2016 and 2021 and it has created a very large pool of high talent all more or less around the same age. We have all seen how hard this sort of thing has been for clubs to manage. GC and GWS just keep losing guys because they can't fit them in the cap.

Any fool can just pay people and deal with the consequences later. Unlike the above though we would never get the handouts and support required to replace players we would lose in the same circumstances. We could take the dogs approach and simply pay them whatever they want, but then you have fill the bottom half of you 22 with spuds and journeymen. Trying to lock all these guys in and still give us room to move is a very fine line to tread and we're bound to slip off it a bit. If it pays off though jackpot.

Hard to manage yes, but when managed correctly is the type of thing that creates dynasties.

Here's hoping

 

[eastfreo75]

McCluggage would be the FA to go after

100%

With all the talk about a forward line that doesn't enough goals, it's on the wing is our greatest weakest.

26 years next year and lock and loaded.

 

[kp junior]

Rumour was we were shredding cap space for Angus Brayshaw. No idea if correct. Would explain the lowball offers for Acres/Logue. We started to increase our offer for Logue but too late and North blew that out of the water. We were prepared to just let Acres go.

This year we are replacing Hamling with DFA McDonald from VFL, possibly rookie list Sharp as replacement for Henry (who would have received pay increase) and then replace Wilson and Colyer with National draft first year players. We also lost Shultz and will replace with ND or Rookie Draft player.

Also the cap has increased.

I’m ok with a couple of new players coming in.

Just on the AngusBrayshaw thing- he may well recover from his big head knock and play 100 more games for Melbourne, but he might also have to retire. As a future policy - chasing players with a history of severe or recurring concussion is pretty dumb. They can literally be one head knock away from retirement. Throwing the bank at him and then him retiring early would be bad management, not bad luck.


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[Taylor]

Just on the AngusBrayshaw thing- he may well recover from his big head knock and play 100 more games for Melbourne, but he might also have to retire. As a future policy - chasing players with a history of severe or recurring concussion is pretty dumb. They can literally be one head knock away from retirement. Throwing the bank at him and then him retiring early would be bad management, not bad luck.


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That was the reason Jack Darling slipped in the draft by the way, well, one of them.

 

[A New Hope]

Based on what?

I heard its because he likes fashion

 

[Jezzitizle]

McCluggage would be the FA to go after

Super meh.

 

[wakojako]

The only way we become a destination club is if we start winning and making finals. Until than the likes of McCluggage will be very difficult to obtain. All the more reason we need to have a crack at finals this year.

 

[Taylor]

The Brisbane list manager was asked about Hugh being a free agent and said they'll do whatever they have to in order to retain him.

He will be suddenly find himself part owner of a business for no money down

 

[theGav56]

He will be suddenly find himself part owner of a business for no money down

Shock/horror! Pretty standard practice in many clubs to develop the off field resources for key players.

 

[Docker82]

100%

With all the talk about a forward line that doesn't enough goals, it's on the wing is our greatest weakest.

26 years next year and lock and loaded.

Statistically our forward line almost kicked as many goals as Collingwood’s last year. Obviously we’ve just lost Schultz.

The two goal gap between us and them is more the fact we get **** all goals from non-forwards and they get plenty.

I’d love to see maybe an extra goal a game from the forwards (unlikely with Schultz gone but maybe in 2025/2026). But if we got 3-4 goals a game from non-forwards like we should (in 2023 it’s barely over one), we’d in theory by a decently scoring side.

A lot has to do with us not really have midfielders run through the forward line tbh but Acres and NOD hitting the scoreboard in 2022 was actually massive for us and that not happening made a very big difference.

I know I’ve said this all before but I can’t stress enough how much I believe our mids (bar Brayshaw who hits the scoreboard a fair bit) need to improve in that area. I see the wingers as a massive part of that hence quoting your post.

It’s about having more scoring options - not just the 6-7 that are listed as forwards. Good teams have more.

 

[dexter_]

Hi Purple People. I come in peace.

I have Freo in a phantom draft. Was wondering if there's players you like or don't. Areas of the list you'd like to see recruited?

Obviously gotta work with the picks you've got. So pretty sure I can't get you Harley Reid.

Cheers

Ps - couldn't see a draft thread on your board, so posting here.

Small forwards, half forwards, wings and half backs would all be welcome. Forwards would be the highest priority.

 

[mike91]

The gettable guys specifically talked about the last name on my list and said that Swans have their work cut out retaining all their players out of contract. Guess after getting all these free academy handouts like Gulden and co. Salary cap issues pop up. Same thing will affect GCS in a few years when their young stars from this ND come out of contract and they have to again give away players for next to nothing (aka Bowes, Brodie, Wright).

Florent would be handy FA pick-up in my opinion.

You happen to know around about what minute mark this was mentioned?

Wouldn't mind listening, but 34 minutes is way too much time for what is probably going to be a minute worth of my interest

 

[poshman]

Shock/horror! Pretty standard practice in many clubs to develop the off field resources for key players.

Strange reply to a statement made without any sense of inside info or shock/horror.

If it is well known information your statement doesn't make sense and if it is shocking then it doesn't make sense. Trying to understand your response here.

 

[theGav56]

I know I’ve said this all before but I can’t stress enough how much I believe our mids (bar Brayshaw who hits the scoreboard a fair bit) need to improve in that area. I see the wingers as a massive part of that hence quoting your post.

It’s about having more scoring options - not just the 6-7 that are listed as forwards. Good teams have more.

This is one of the most important things for our coach to address, and the shift of Young to the midfield is a good start.

 

[theGav56]

Strange reply to a statement made without any sense of inside info or shock/horror.

If it is well known information your statement doesn't make sense and if it is shocking then it doesn't make sense. Trying to understand your response here.

That's the point of sarcasm isn't it? Its not commenting on the poster (I'm pretty sure Taylor knows I'm a fan of her posting), it's commenting on the club lagging behind other clubs in doing this kind of thing.

 

[poshman]

That's the point of sarcasm isn't it? Its not commenting on the poster (I'm pretty sure Taylor knows I'm a fan of her posting), it's commenting on the club lagging behind other clubs in doing this kind of thing.

haha I totally missed the sarcasm... and yes we are way behind other clubs on this type of thing.

 

[theGav56]

haha I totally missed the sarcasm... and yes we are way behind other clubs on this type of thing.

Usually as fans we end up pointing the finger at players, while simultaneously having a whinge about clubs like Geelong. But off-field Geelong got their Board right, their GM right, their recruitment and player retention right, their coach right, their s&c right, their home ground right.

I'm not sure how many of these boxes we tick, but I think we end up saying Acres is a spud, Cerra is a mummy's boy or Logue is an athlete not a footballer. They aren't the problems, they are symptoms of problems.

 

[eastfreo75]

Look as known Bell truther I do have to give him and Walls some credit. They have actually had a very tricky job to do. Through good drafting and luck we have barely missed with our first and second round picks between 2016 and 2021 and it has created a very large pool of high talent all more or less around the same age. We have all seen how hard this sort of thing has been for clubs to manage. GC and GWS just keep losing guys because they can't fit them in the cap.

Any fool can just pay people and deal with the consequences later. Unlike the above though we would never get the handouts and support required to replace players we would lose in the same circumstances. We could take the dogs approach and simply pay them whatever they want, but then you have fill the bottom half of you 22 with spuds and journeymen. Trying to lock all these guys in and still give us room to move is a very fine line to tread and we're bound to slip off it a bit. If it pays off though jackpot.

Drafting has been pretty from Walls.

The contract management has been lacking. Acres being low balled wasn't good, putting Shultz on the rookie list was trying to be too clever and not trading out Cerra in year 3 wasn't ruthless enough (Worked out because of our drafting).

Time to pay the better players what they deserve.

 

[freo_leo29]

Usually as fans we end up pointing the finger at players, while simultaneously having a whinge about clubs like Geelong. But off-field Geelong got their Board right, their GM right, their recruitment and player retention right, their coach right, their s&c right, their home ground right.

I'm not sure how many of these boxes we tick, but I think we end up saying Acres Caddy is a spud, Cerra Clark is a mummy's boy or Logue Esava is an athlete not a footballer. They aren't the problems, they are symptoms of problems.

Players leave every club