List Mgmt. 2024 List Management thread - Trade Targets

[gaskin]

Are they though? Surely the start to the Partnership has even you worried?

Nope. They were fine last season. Darcy is not fit and Jackson is horribly out of form. The kind of overreaction to the beginning of the partnership that has been coming from the media is ridiculous. They are both on long contracts and if in 2 years it doesn't work then I might concede they can't play together. But, Darcy is so much better than Meek and to suggest we would be better off with Meek is just plain wrong.

 

[s_wd6]

Meek is hardly a veterin at 26.
On the other hand Darcy’s body appears to be well and truly in the veterin stage.
No doubt Darcy is the superior player. But present indications are that Meek is more likely to be available when required and being basically a backup to the Jackson/Treacy combo we might not be struggling to solve the Jackson riddle. There’s always next season though - trade Darcy, gives us a lot of salary cap and use the money wisely .

Darcy wasn't injury prone until he was injury prone. Can we predict the future and say Meek will be injury free after he notches up game 50?

We have plenty of Salary cap space and plenty of picks to use. Trading Darcy isn't needed to get us whatever we want.

 

[Polo342]

Nope. They were fine last season. Darcy is not fit and Jackson is horribly out of form. The kind of overreaction to the beginning of the partnership that has been coming from the media is ridiculous. They are both on long contracts and if in 2 years it doesn't work then I might concede they can't play together. But, Darcy is so much better than Meek and to suggest we would be better off with Meek is just plain wrong.

But meek wouldn't even be on half the dollars that Darcy is on. I get it Darcy is not fit but we can't argue that Jackson when playing ruck has been a far superior player to when he has been played forward.

Just feel like that cap could have been spent elsewhere

 

[Joao]

But surely for that 20 percent we dont need to pay a player 800 odd k a season

Jackson is **** against those rucks. I don't want him doing 40% let alone 60+.

I swear most people on here have forgotten how good a fully fit Darcy is and are just running with the Cornes narrative. Putting him out to pasture at 26. It's ridiculous.

 

[Jezzitizle]

Meh, can see Darcy having big games in a final, can’t see Meek doing the same.

People have short memories but his best is excellent.

 

[Polo342]

Jackson is **** against those rucks. I don't want him doing 40% let alone 60+.

I swear most people on here have forgotten how good a fully fit Darcy is and are just running with the Cornes narrative. Putting him out to pasture at 26. It's ridiculous.

I haven't forgotten, but how often is he fully fit these days?

 

[s_wd6]

Nope. They were fine last season. Darcy is not fit and Jackson is horribly out of form. The kind of overreaction to the beginning of the partnership that has been coming from the media is ridiculous. They are both on long contracts and if in 2 years it doesn't work then I might concede they can't play together. But, Darcy is so much better than Meek and to suggest we would be better off with Meek is just plain wrong.

I can understand the media who watched 2 game a year harping on about it not working, but I thought it was blindly obvious to any fan that we haven't seen enough to come to a conclusion yet.

2023 Season

Rounds 1-7 last year, Jackson took a long time to get himself into form in a new team, and we were struggling as a whole. Meanwhile Darcy started very well.

Rounds 8-11: Jackson hit his straps and Darcy continued his great form. We win four games in a row and Jackson and Darcy are both instrumental in our wins. Even the Melb game where Darcy came off after two quarters and Jackson went on to be bog, the combination actually worked superbly.

Rounds 12-14: Darcy injured.

Round 15: Darcy back and dominates, Jackson kicks three and dominates up forward.

Round 16-18: Neither dominate, but includes two blowout losses so hard to judge. Darcy gets injured again and that's the last we see for the year.

Jackson dominates in rounds 20-22 albeit against second grade ruckmen.

Jackson playing well without Darcy is not proof that Darcy/Jackson combo doesn't work. And there's been less than 10 games of them playing together where both are fit and in form. And 5 of those games have proven it can work.

 

[Joao]

I haven't forgotten, but how often is he fully fit these days?

He's had a 1 season run of injuries. Played 15, 21, 21 in the 3 seasons before that. Even last year he played 15.

You (and so many others) are jumping at shadows.

 

[s_wd6]

Jackson being unable to mark the ball since round 3 is really warping people's perceptions of the ruck combo working or not. I've seen countless times Jackson resting forward and kicking goals. Even when he was resting there as a full ruck he was kicking goals. He's not a bad forward, and when he's in form he's actually a very dangerous forward. This year has just been ****ed around with his loads with Darcy being injured.

 

[Polo342]

He's had a 1 season run of injuries. Played 15, 21, 21 in the 3 seasons before that. Even last year he played 15.

You (and so many others) are jumping at shadows.

I maybe jumping at shadows yes. Will be interesting to see how they go this week.

 

[ubiquitous226]

I guess I shouldn't be surprised, but I'd hope our fans

I can understand the media who watched 2 game a year harping on about it not working, but I thought it was blindly obvious to any fan that we haven't seen enough to come to a conclusion yet.

2023 Season

Rounds 1-7 last year, Jackson took a long time to get himself into form in a new team, and we were struggling as a whole. Meanwhile Darcy started very well.

Rounds 8-11: Jackson hit his straps and Darcy continued his great form. We win four games in a row and Jackson and Darcy are both instrumental in our wins. Even the Melb game where Darcy came off after two quarters and Jackson went on to be bog, the combination actually worked superbly.

Rounds 12-14: Darcy injured.

Round 15: Darcy back and dominates, Jackson kicks three and dominates up forward.

Round 16-18: Neither dominate, but includes two blowout losses so hard to judge. Darcy gets injured again and that's the last we see for the year.

Jackson dominates in rounds 20-22 albeit against second grade ruckmen.

Jackson playing well without Darcy is not proof that Darcy/Jackson combo doesn't work. And there's been less than 10 games of them playing together where both are fit and in form. And 5 of those games have proven it can work.

Very well put.

I get the media narrative, but I don't understand fans buying into it if they've watched our games.
When they're both fit and well they look like they work really well together, and Jackson has shown he can have an impact forward and unicorning with Darcy in the team.

Pre-Darcy coming back Jackson looked off his best, whether that's from rucking loads, an injury or just plain average form it's hard to know.
Jackson is still building consistency in his game, but surely fans are excited about what he's shown.

Darcy needs to be able to stay fit, and I do get the argument you could have a lower level other ruck like Meek and make the team work well, but I think we see this as our point of difference.

 

[Taylor]

Every player looks average to poor when they haven't had a preseason and are coming up against guys who differentiate themselves from their similar strength or leap opponents by being able to outrun them.

Sean Darcy

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Sean Darcy

Age

26

Ht

203cm

Wt

111kg

Pos.

Ruck

Career

Season

Last 5

D

10.1

3star

K

3.4

1star

HB

6.6

4star

CL

2.4

4star

HO

28.8

5star

D

6.8

1star

K

2.0

1star

HB

4.8

3star

CL

1.8

4star

HO

20.3

5star

D

11.4

3star

K

4.6

2star

HB

6.8

5star

CL

2.6

5star

HO

32.0

5star

is a very good player, that's why I want him to be prepare for 2025 and that might mean he plays every week from now on and gets continuity into his body.

 

[yakamoto]

Fine as long as it’s not costing games this season.

 

[Joao]

I maybe jumping at shadows yes. Will be interesting to see how they go this week.

I'm not expecting a lot until he's fully fit. Same with Cox.

 

[Paracleet]

I'm not expecting a lot until he's fully fit. Same with Cox.

On the contrary I'm expecting a lot of people to continue spinning Corns idiot narrative because now having adopted it as their own it must be defended, rather than confessing to the double sin of both being wrong and being easily influenceable.

 

[pK75]

What I will say is, we should have kept Meek and dogs second and not traded in JOM, as Meek would have played a lot the last 12 months, but dropping him back to the twos when Darcy is fit is not fare on him and he knew it, Reidy has been a wast of a list spot if he can’t get a game while Darcy has been injured.

 

[Superkoops]

What I will say is, we should have kept Meek and dogs second and not traded in JOM, as Meek would have played a lot the last 12 months, but dropping him back to the twos when Darcy is fit is not fare on him and he knew it, Reidy has been a wast of a list spot if he can’t get a game while Darcy has been injured.

Isn’t Reidy on rookie list? Hardly a waste of list spot. Reidy’s form in WAFL past 6 weeks has been excellent. He was always a back-up option. Who do we go to if in the event Darcy and LJ are injured at the same time.

Meek wanted increased opportunity and with us trading in LJ his opportunity just diminished. Both Meek and Darcy can’t play in the same team. So it would be a back-up to Darcy.

 

[pK75]

Isn’t Reidy on rookie list? Hardly a waste of list spot. Reidy’s form in WAFL past 6 weeks has been excellent. He was always a back-up option. Who do we go to if in the event Darcy and LJ are injured at the same time.

Meek wanted increased opportunity and with us trading in LJ his opportunity just diminished. Both Meek and Darcy can’t play in the same team. So it would be a back-up to Darcy.

I agree totally on Meek wanting to leave when we got Jackson, wasn’t fair on the guy to keep him as backup, yes Reidy is only a rookie, but we needed a mature Journeyman Ruck to fill the breach when Darcy is injured and while Knobel develops, having someone keeping Knobel out of the twos but not deemed good enough to play when Darcy is injured is by definition a list clogger. FWIW I thought we should have played Reidy this year, but the MC disagreed which is why I don’t understand why we kept him on.

 

[Andy Brennan]

Would we need him then?

When Pearce starts to get a bit old he'd be handy

 

[Madas]

Jackson is **** against those rucks. I don't want him doing 40% let alone 60+.

I swear most people on here have forgotten how good a fully fit Darcy is and are just running with the Cornes narrative. Putting him out to pasture at 26. It's ridiculous.

Meh, can see Darcy having big games in a final, can’t see Meek doing the same.

People have short memories but his best is excellent.

Anyone doubting Darcy just needs to rewatch the game and spot the tap over the back of his head to Young scouting round the back
Poetry

Yes he’s unfit but when he’s good he is one of the best
Seems popular with team as well

 

[DragoDelph]

Anyone doubting Darcy just needs to rewatch the game and spot the tap over the back of his head to Young scouting round the back
Poetry

Yes he’s unfit but when he’s good he is one of the best
Seems popular with team as well

And the correlation of Fyfe and serong having career best clearance numbers when onions was simply there as well.

he can get himself right. Will be huge for the team

 

[freo84]

I remember the 'Is Sandilands needed' thread. Then he came back and people were surprised that he was awesome.

I see the Darcy argument as the same thing.

Yes Darcy is needed.
Yes Darcy is a very good player.
Yes Darcy will take a few games to find some match fitness and gel with the team.

 

[apuchar]

When Pearce starts to get a bit old he'd be handy

Kinda hoping Murphy takes that role. He may be ready to fill in in a couple of years.

 

[yakamoto]

My argument is that two top line ruck men are not needed on the list especially as it seems they are our two highest paid players. I thought that Jackson and Treacy worked well as a combination in that it seemed to maximise in involvement of both in the game. I used Meek as an example of a backup in case of injury to one of them. Maybe Reidy could be just as useful in that role. I think Meek left anyway when he saw himself behind both Darcy and Jackson. Trading Darcy out opens the way for a relatively cheap replacement if not Reidy.
Salary cap management is going to be increasingly important in retention of the existing talent on our list let alone making it possible to lure talent across from other clubs.
Who is KaneCornes? Never heard of him.

 

[Jezzitizle]

It’s definitely a risk putting so much of the cap into rucks.

But by all accounts the cap is in good order, and I can see Jackson being a very good forward, he’s still young.

At least the club are paying good players well, not overpaying for spuds.