List Mgmt. 2024 List Management thread - Trade Targets

[Alfonz]

People want to use the Gawn/Jackson flag as justification. Maybe we can replicate that or Melbourne will win it again. But that Demons flag was an anomaly. Outside Gawn, every premiership in recent history has been won with a budget lead ruck. That's because the money is better spent on a gun mid or forward.

Even if Sydney win this year, Grundy is not on huge bucks anymore. And the Pies won when they turfed him.

The premiership ruckman this year is likely coming from Grundy, Briggs, Soldo, Stanley/Conway, Cameron, Pittonet, Gawn. Only Gawn would be in the top echelon of paid players at their club. And most of them are rejects brought in from other clubs on the cheap.

 

[mattis117]

My argument is that two top line ruck men are not needed on the list especially as it seems they are our two highest paid players. I thought that Jackson and Treacy worked well as a combination in that it seemed to maximise in involvement of both in the game. I used Meek as an example of a backup in case of injury to one of them. Maybe Reidy could be just as useful in that role. I think Meek left anyway when he saw himself behind both Darcy and Jackson. Trading Darcy out opens the way for a relatively cheap replacement if not Reidy.
Salary cap management is going to be increasingly important in retention of the existing talent on our list let alone making it possible to lure talent across from other clubs.
Who is KaneCornes? Never heard of him.

Well there's a simple fix to this, redefine Luke Jackson in your brain as a forward ruck. Problem solved.

 

[ubiquitous226]

Well there's a simple fix to this, redefine Luke Jackson in your brain as a forward ruck. Problem solved.

If you think of Luke Jackson as a ruck then all the arguments against the pairing and use of cap space make sense.

If you think he can be a disruptor and point of difference for our team and play multiple roles around the ground then you may think differently.
I'm in the second camp.

It wouldn't be the exact difference in cap but would you prefer Darcy and Sharp, or a mid range ruck and Acres for example?
List management is all about choices and compromises.

 

[yakamoto]

Darcy and Treacy or maybe even Darcy and Draper in 2-3 years should Darcy be here still.

 

[Superkoops]

People want to use the Gawn/Jackson flag as justification. Maybe we can replicate that or Melbourne will win it again. But that Demons flag was an anomaly. Outside Gawn, every premiership in recent history has been won with a budget lead ruck. That's because the money is better spent on a gun mid or forward.

Even if Sydney win this year, Grundy is not on huge bucks anymore. And the Pies won when they turfed him.

The premiership ruckman this year is likely coming from Grundy, Briggs, Soldo, Stanley/Conway, Cameron, Pittonet, Gawn. Only Gawn would be in the top echelon of paid players at their club. And most of them are rejects brought in from other clubs on the cheap.

Geelong are dropping very fast. The rest of the aforementioned rucks would be in the top tier of the competition.

 

[Snuffaluphagus]

I was massive on Jackson to bring him over as that "unicorn" but regardless, I think it's being stubborn not at least acknowledging Jackson could be better than Darcy as a ruck. People point to his down weeks, I point to him still being a KPP and needing a few years before he's consistent, like anyone else. If he's poor against the big boys, dominating the others like he does Brisbane level bucks every time is still pretty huge.

IF Darcy wanted to leave for whatever reason, it's something the club should explore. What if Darcy out made all of Baker, Cameron and Warner possible?

The combo works, it can be amazing and Darcy is still a gun ruck, is it the best use of cap space is a very valid question though IMO

 

[yakamoto]

Only using Teakle as an example if Reidy is considered not up to the mark and Knobel a couple of years away.
Anyway Teakle seems to be going well at WAFL level and looks like he performed well against SANFL
a couple of weeks ago. Can’t be that terrible. Not as terrible as the AFL club that picked him up anyway.

 

[Taylor]

Luke Jackson

9

Luke Jackson

Age

23

Ht

199cm

Wt

102kg

Pos.

F/R

Career

Season

Last 5

D

8.3

2star

K

3.3

1star

HB

5.0

4star

M

1.5

2star

T

1.0

3star

G

0.3

3star

D

8.3

2star

K

3.3

1star

HB

5.0

3star

M

1.5

2star

T

1.0

2star

G

0.3

3star

D

8.3

3star

K

3.3

2star

HB

5.0

4star

M

1.5

2star

T

1.0

3star

G

0.3

3star

as a stoppage mid will blow your minds and so many will wonder where that performance came from.

 

[Alfonz]

Geelong are dropping very fast. The rest of the aforementioned rucks would be in the top tier of the competition.

Someone like Meek in his current form is in the same ballpark as all of them except Gawn. And the point is not necessarily how good they are. They obviously can't just be scrubs. But the main point is that they are not highly paid.

I'm not saying Jackson should be lead ruck. As a highly paid player he has more value impacting as a forward/mid/utility. And I'm not saying to trade Darcy now. That ship has sailed with Meek and the Darcy extension, and Reidy is seemingly not good enough to be a budget lead ruck.

So we have to use the hand we have now. But people need to accept the historical facts that we are trying to win a flag in an unconventional manner. Which is probably what you would expect from Freo. We like to do things the hard way.

 

[mattis117]

If you think of Luke Jackson as a ruck then all the arguments against the pairing and use of cap space make sense.

If you think he can be a disruptor and point of difference for our team and play multiple roles around the ground then you may think differently.
I'm in the second camp.

It wouldn't be the exact difference in cap but would you prefer Darcy and Sharp, or a mid range ruck and Acres for example?
List management is all about choices and compromises.

I see Darcy as our ruck. I see Jackson as the guy who wins the odd game all by himself by doing amazing things. He's inconsistent, but when Jackson is on we simply don't lose. He's won games for us playing both forward and ruck. He's the guy that turns up on grand final day and puts the whole team on his back.

 

[Swiggy]

I see Darcy as our ruck. I see Jackson as the guy who wins the odd game all by himself by doing amazing things. He's inconsistent, but when Jackson is on we simply don't lose. He's won games for us playing both forward and ruck. He's the guy that turns up on grand final day and puts the whole team on his back.

Honestly think people forget Jackson is 22, treacy is 21 amiss is 20.
It’s probably youngest key forward line up in the competition it’s going to take time.
Not many 22 year olds dominate every week up forward

If it checks look out

 

[Joao]

I was massive on Jackson to bring him over as that "unicorn" but regardless, I think it's being stubborn not at least acknowledging Jackson could be better than Darcy as a ruck. People point to his down weeks, I point to him still being a KPP and needing a few years before he's consistent, like anyone else. If he's poor against the big boys, dominating the others like he does Brisbane level bucks every time is still pretty huge.

IF Darcy wanted to leave for whatever reason, it's something the club should explore. What if Darcy out made all of Baker, Cameron and Warner possible?

The combo works, it can be amazing and Darcy is still a gun ruck, is it the best use of cap space is a very valid question though IMO

The bolded is true and it applies to both him being a ruck or being a ruck/forward or whatever position.

The very obvious answer to this is give it some time. If anyone thinks they know for sure which way this goes I call bull****. You certainly don't start thinking of trading Darcy because he was injured and they both didn't rip it apart within 3 games of playing together.

It's way too early to be talking about entertaining a trade. Even if we sit on our hands for 3 years, we'd still get decent value for Darcy.

And I'd absolutely keep Darcy instead of trading him to get either/both of Baker or Cameron.

 

[JammoMonty]

Darcy and Treacy or maybe even Darcy and Draper in 2-3 years should Darcy be here still.

The end of your statement could be sooner rather than later

 

[s_wd6]

Finish the sentence… who’s always injured, has the worst rig for a player in the AFL and is probably on X3 as much as Lloyd would be on paypacket wise

Love Darcy as much as you like but give Meek his due

Done really well at the Hawks and if you think Darcy is still miles ahead of him ….well I disagree


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Darcy has been injured for a year. Plenty of players come back from that. Especially considering his age. What if Meek stayed with us and did an ACL? We can't make list decisions based on hypothetical injuries. Darcy was not injury prone before mid last year, and Meek was well gone before then.

Darcy at his best is absolutely better than Meek and it's really not even close. This is the same Meek who wasn't even b22 last year.

 

[thistimeforsure]

On the contrary I'm expecting a lot of people to continue spinning Corns idiot narrative because now having adopted it as their own it must be defended, rather than confessing to the double sin of both being wrong and being easily influenceable.

I know which side of the fence is looking wrong right now

We’ll see what happens

One questioni would ask is who’re the best 1-2 ruck combo in the history of the game ? , not just a gun and his sidekick but 2 rucks who were top 10 at their club

Not many is there

We would be re-writing history a bit if it comes off

You’re just throwing Cornes name out there as some sort of ridicule but I’m perfectly capable of being wrong all by myself


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[thistimeforsure]

Darcy has been injured for a year. Plenty of players come back from that. Especially considering his age. What if Meek stayed with us and did an ACL? We can't make list decisions based on hypothetical injuries. Darcy was not injury prone before mid last year, and Meek was well gone before then.

Darcy at his best is absolutely better than Meek and it's really not even close. This is the same Meek who wasn't even b22 last year.

Meek just needed a bit of faith from a coach I think , anyway it’s a shame we couldn’t of seen what a Jacko / Meek combo looked like

2 big mobile ground ball beasts at the oppo mids all day

Could of really been something I recon


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[Snuffaluphagus]

The bolded is true and it applies to both him being a ruck or being a ruck/forward or whatever position.

The very obvious answer to this is give it some time. If anyone thinks they know for sure which way this goes I call bull****. You certainly don't start thinking of trading Darcy because he was injured and they both didn't rip it apart within 3 games of playing together.

It's way too early to be talking about entertaining a trade. Even if we sit on our hands for 3 years, we'd still get decent value for Darcy.

And I'd absolutely keep Darcy instead of trading him to get either/both of Baker or Cameron.

You wouldn't look at it if he brought it up?

 

[DragoDelph]

You wouldn't look at it if he brought it up?

Snuff.....

 

[TheLastCall]

Looks like Sebit Kuek might be recovering quicker than expected. That might be why we didn't go in the mid season draft.

 

[gaskin]

Looks like Sebit Kuek might be recovering quicker than expected. That might be why we didn't go in the mid season draft.

It is. The club said Kuek and Corbett are both ahead of schedule so they are keeping the list spot for one of them if they are able to get back in time.

 

[pK75]

I know which side of the fence is looking wrong right now

We’ll see what happens

One questioni would ask is who’re the best 1-2 ruck combo in the history of the game ? , not just a gun and his sidekick but 2 rucks who were top 10 at their club

Not many is there

We would be re-writing history a bit if it comes off

You’re just throwing Cornes name out there as some sort of ridicule but I’m perfectly capable of being wrong all by myself


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Again though this supposition is based on Jackson being a ruck instead of a forward/Ruck or Forward/Ruck/inside mid/wing/half back. Jackson’s biggest asset is his versatility to impact in multiple roles which you lose if you categorise him as a 1-2 Ruck combo with Darcy.
Right now it looks like a bad decision to pay so much for two rucks, however I am certain Jackson’s form slump has more to do with the amount of ruck work he’s done this year, which has affected his forward role and link up role (marks between the arcs)

 

[dropbear101]

Looks like Sebit Kuek might be recovering quicker than expected. That might be why we didn't go in the mid season draft.

yeah and given the article, he might get a contract next season which sounds good.

 

[Joao]

You wouldn't look at it if he brought it up?

Sure, as I would for any player. If they are coming to you then clearly they have a problem and you need to resolve that somehow.

That's entirely different to trying to shop around a player which is very obviously what everyone here is saying. Unless I have missed Darcy wanting to go somewhere?

 

[Docker82]

It is. The club said Kuek and Corbett are both ahead of schedule so they are keeping the list spot for one of them if they are able to get back in time.

Kuek in particularly imo. He seems to have popped up semi-regularly in training photos for 4-6 weeks now. Ruling him out for the season from July last year seemed a bit over the top from the very beginning tbh.

I'd like to see him run around in a few Peel reserves games at least before the season is done.

Amiss and Treacy are obviously contracted, whilst Voss getting another contract is close to a given. They'd still be one spot left at least for a KPF. Had assumed the club would delist everyone else and draft a new one but the feeling I get now is they'll give Kuek another twelve months and delist Taberner and Corbett.

They'd still be room for Sturt and Jones on the list as they can play other roles - whether the club decides to keep them is another matter.

 

[dropbear101]

Kuek in particularly imo. He seems to have popped up semi-regularly in training photos for 4-6 weeks now. Ruling him out for the season from July last year seemed a bit over the top from the very beginning tbh.

I'd like to see him run around in a few Peel reserves games at least before the season is done.

Amiss and Treacy are obviously contracted, whilst Voss getting another contract is close to a given. They'd still be one spot left at least for a KPF. Had assumed the club would delist everyone else and draft a new one but the feeling I get now is they'll give Kuek another twelve months and delist Taberner and Corbett.

They'd still be room for Sturt and Jones on the list as they can play other roles - whether the club decides to keep them is another matter.

might also be how they will spend their draft picks. earlier picks on small forwards and perhaps another wingman. leaving later picks for other positions. late draft pick vs keuk. they probs chose keuk. leaving later picks for even more small forwards.