List Mgmt. 2024 List Management thread - Trade Targets

[THE_GUN]

He might be worth more but that would be 2 years of development lost when trying to rebuild the team.

But there is also the chance that he may mature in 3 years and love his new club and mates and want to stick around like Gaff and Brayshaw and others

 

[freo_leo29]

Sheezel seems mature beyond his years, highly doubt he's a flight risks


Reckon he would've been their Brayshaw


It's a massive miss, people haven't realised just how good Sheezel is

 

[Taylor]

They are contracted for 3 years when drafted but even if they did
Sheezel would command more now than he was drafted

As a Richmond supporter i would happily cough up #1 ++ for Sheezel today

Contracted for three years in the 2022 draft were they? That kicked in last year.

 

[Vimal Anand]

In all seriousness though, the more I think about it the less I want Bolton to come here. At he's best and on paper he seems like the perfect player for our list, but I get the vibe that everything he does is for himself. Even just watching him the other day, burnt a few teammates on multiple occassions to try and get his 5th.

He's got his flags now, so money would be the key motivator in him coming over. Seems to me like he'd come here for the same reason Lobb did, to make some cash and then leave when it suits. Even more so that he has a young family and his partner is from Vic.

With 4 years on his contract Rich are gonna ask a lot for him, and I don't know its worth it taking on his massive salary and spending all our capital on him.

if we draft a small forward it wont take much time for them to play at AFL level compared to KPF/D or midfield right?

 

[Bicco]

Are we able to trade for Warner now to take him in 2026?

 

[ubiquitous226]

One thing worth noting for all the Draft WA talent enthusiasts on here.
In 2022 west coast did just that. Held pick 3 and could have taken Sheezel or Wardlaw. Instead they trade the pick out to get in Reuben Ginbey and Elijah Hewitt at 8 and 12 I think it was. Everyone said “ooh that’s smart.. two elite talents instead of one… fast track the rebuild. Etc

Right now that trade looks hideous. Ginbey looks like a C grade Plodder and Hewitt can’t get on the park. Granted they are still young and Hewitt in particular should still become something but my goodness me - I wouldn’t be swapping either of Sheezel or Wardlaw for those two guys now. Both of them are projecting as A grade, multiple AA level players in future.

Statistically speaking the best players are likely to be from Victoria most years. Thankfully Walls realised that a long time ago.

Interesting and early call.

No argument about how good Sheezel and Wardlaw look, but I've liked the look of Gibney so I think there's more to play out there.

Strongly agree about some of the over the top WA centric views of drafting at times though, and Freo has done a very good job there.

Players wanting out down the track can be a positive or negative, Cerra is probably a list win overall, although there needs to be a core close enough in age to make the whole team work.

 

[doppo]

Are we able to trade for Warner now to take him in 2026?

Is this one of those Buddhist Koans?

 

[wakojako]

There's zero chance we take one pick at the National Draft.

I'd be surprised if we took less than three but two is remotely possible.

Given our list needs, I bet the majority of our FRPs will be used to trade in a player this year or next. Our remaining draft capital will be used to find hidden gems which is what the newly appointed Geelong scout and Wallzy specialise in.

 

[Midnite65]

if we draft a small forward it wont take much time for them to play at AFL level compared to KPF/D or midfield right?

Will still be a big risk. Safer to trade for one already in the system for a few years like Motlop, etc.

 

[Taylor]

if we draft a small forward it wont take much time for them to play at AFL level compared to KPF/D or midfield right?

It should be expected of a small forward taken in the top twenty picks that they are ready to play right away, injury and general fitness permitting.

 

[DeadEyeJye]

It should be expected of a small forward taken in the top twenty picks that they are ready to play right away, injury and general fitness permitting.

But we can't draft something that isn't there - I've read several times in this thread people saying we can use our best pick to take a top 10 small forward, who will impact straight away. But if the best small forward is projected at pick 35, we would be crazy to use a top 10 pick on them even if it fills a list need, and the pressure to perform at a top 10 level would be grossly unfair. And it seems this year (as usual) the top 20 picks will be either midfielders or KPPs.

 

[Bicco]

Is this one of those Buddhist Koans?

I'm just thinking that we have draft capital now, Sydney have a player out of contract next year. I doubt we're going to have as good a hand to play next year. Given Warner wants to come here, It would likely be in Sydney's interest to get the picks we have this year. We get Warner in 2026. We're not trading future 1sts (next year) so we continue to stay in the 1st round. It's just a thought but I'm actually wondering if it's allowed.

 

[kuhni]

I am hesitant on trading our picks forward unless there is a substantial value upgrade because:

1. You never truly know where a club will finish
(It's always fun though because like next gen etc. It's a gamble)
2. The more you have, the more clubs can demand. With 2 year future trading the standard set of picks should be more than enough for a Warner.
3. The further into the future the pick is, the truer the "kids" tag will be.
4. The further into the future you roll it, the closer to Tassie you get. (There must be a sweet spot where rebuilding clubs will desperately trade their experienced players)

 

[Docker82]

Given our list needs, I bet the majority of our FRPs will be used to trade in a player this year or next. Our remaining draft capital will be used to find hidden gems which is what the newly appointed Geelong scout and Wallzy specialise in.

I can easily see two of the FRPs still being at the club by the time trade period ends.

I'm not a huge fan of moving our picks into next year tbh. I think we need to improve our list ASAP to give ourselves the best chance on the near future. If Warner or Bolton doesn't come end of 2025 all we're doing is decreasing the likelihood of those draftees making a meaningful contribution in our premiership window. Extra year on the list is an extra year to develop.

Having said that I can see the appeal of moving one of the picks into next year even if we can't get Warner or Bolton next year.

I also think Walls has made some amazing moves with late picks but also drafted a lot of guys that don't seem to suggest they'll make an impact. Not sure there's been a genuine stuff up in the top 25 since he's been at the club. He'll smash it if given the good picks imo - it's just whether they can contribute well enough when needed.

I think if we trade two of the first rounders we keep the other one. There's still a place for talented youngsters on the list - I'm just not sure there's room for four 18 year olds on the senior list whilst we're in flag contention.

 

[Ge3ks]

Every year, the small forwards seem to go earlier than projected in mock drafts.

 

[doppo]

I'm just thinking that we have draft capital now, Sydney have a player out of contract next year. I doubt we're going to have as good a hand to play next year. Given Warner wants to come here, It would likely be in Sydney's interest to get the picks we have this year. We get Warner in 2026. We're not trading future 1sts (next year) so we continue to stay in the 1st round. It's just a thought but I'm actually wondering if it's allowed.

It’s an interesting thought, but it’s way too advantageous for Sydney. Like having their Chad and eating him too.

If they want our current draft capital, I’d say they need to cough up the Chad now. If he stays with Syd for 25, we’ll deal with them next year with whichever hand we have when he’s out of contract.

 

[pK75]

But we can't draft something that isn't there - I've read several times in this thread people saying we can use our best pick to take a top 10 small forward, who will impact straight away. But if the best small forward is projected at pick 35, we would be crazy to use a top 10 pick on them even if it fills a list need, and the pressure to perform at a top 10 level would be grossly unfair. And it seems this year (as usual) the top 20 picks will be either midfielders or KPPs.

Kako and Berry both look like top 20 picks now. I’d have no problem using a teens pick for either

 

[yakamoto]

I wondered if we had any interest in Rachelle or he in us. Doesn’t seem to have come on as expected last 2 years. Living in Rankine’s shadow?
Contracted to 2029 so probably not.

 

[Boomer93]

We should be desperate to trade our picks for established players this year.

We don't need 18 year olds right now. We don't need the headache of trying to give more minutes to guys like Johnson, Erasmus and Cooper Simpson.

We need talent that is ready to play finals. Even Baker would be a brilliant addition. I see people saying they don't want to trade for anyone who isn't in our best 10 players but that is nuts. If Baker was currently a dockers player and had come top 6 in our best and fairest x 3 times during our best finals period like he has at the Tigers, we wpuld be desperate for him to stay and not to leave.

 

[Docker82]

We should be desperate to trade our picks for established players this year.

We don't need 18 year olds right now. We don't need the headache of trying to give more minutes to guys like Johnson, Erasmus and Cooper Stevens.

We need talent that is ready to play finals. Even Baker would be a brilliant addition. I see people saying they don't want to trade for anyone who isn't in our best 10 players but that is nuts. If Baker was currently a dockers player and had come top 6 in our best and fairest x 3 times during our best finals period like he has at the Tigers, we wpuld be desperate for him to stay and not to leave.

It's always good to draft some good 18 year olds. IMO it's pretty much essential for sustained success. Otherwise you become West Coast much quicker than you expect.

It'd be good to get two imo, then let Walls have a crack at a mature ager towards the end of the draft.

 

[Heave Ho Bro]

It's always good to draft some good 18 year olds. IMO it's pretty much essential for sustained success. Otherwise you become West Coast much quicker than you expect.

It'd be good to get two imo, then let Walls have a crack at a mature ager towards the end of the draft.

Yep. Can't ignore too many drafts or you end up in a tough spot down the line. Best way to create depth is to bring in top end young talent who push out the current bottom six down to Peel. We should be looking to use our highest pick and the Saints 2nd rounder at minimum.

 

[Midnite65]

It's always good to draft some good 18 year olds. IMO it's pretty much essential for sustained success. Otherwise you become West Coast much quicker than you expect.

To be honest I could have handled the last 3 years of crap if we had the 4 flags.

 

[Hamann188]

To be honest I could have handled the last 3 years of crap if we had the 4 flags.

2 flags, well technically 1 & 1/2.

First 2 were state teams and the last one was jagged when the Collywobble collywobbled.

2006 was legit tho.

 

[Bender571]

We should be desperate to trade our picks for established players this year.

We don't need 18 year olds right now. We don't need the headache of trying to give more minutes to guys like Johnson, Erasmus and Cooper Stevens.

We need talent that is ready to play finals. Even Baker would be a brilliant addition. I see people saying they don't want to trade for anyone who isn't in our best 10 players but that is nuts. If Baker was currently a dockers player and had come top 6 in our best and fairest x 3 times during our best finals period like he has at the Tigers, we wpuld be desperate for him to stay and not to leave.

It must be a big headache for the Freo coaches trying to give minutes to a Geelong player

Edit: Apparently he's a Hawks player now

 

[DragoDelph]

2 flags, well technically 1 & 1/2.

First 2 were state teams and the last one was jagged when the Collywobble collywobbled.

2006 was legit tho.

I look at it the other way. 2018 was legit. 2006 is severely tainted.