List Mgmt. 2024 List Management thread - Trade Targets

[blue shark]

Let's not forget that all the hand wringing around his injury was based off some total misreading of studies on navicular injury recovery by people on here (including myself initially). If people are going to retrospectively toot their horns they need to acknowledge that they were actually posting based on opinion that was objectively wrong, and they happened to be correct because of totally different reasons.

Let’s be honest the Dees wanted May more than they wanted Hogan.
I was at the time also worried about Jessie’s injury, but it was the price
paid that put a price target on his head.
The West(Coast) paper tried the same sh.t with Jackson, but nothing bothers
him.
If we had stood our ground The Dees would of come around, in the end though
it worked out beneficial to both clubs, you thank your lucky stars that Luke
wanted to come here.
More concerning is that we couldn’t help or stand by Hogan in our system.
Every club has a wayward type of player, sure we all want the private school
kids wearing the uniform, but there is something special in watching a player
That non confirms making it big, when the odds say he won’t.

 

[Joao]

Let's not forget that all the hand wringing around his injury was based off some total misreading of studies on navicular injury recovery by people on here (including myself initially). If people are going to retrospectively toot their horns they need to acknowledge that they were actually posting based on opinion that was objectively wrong, and they happened to be correct because of totally different reasons.

It wasn't just the navicular, which is a perfectly reasonable thing to be worried about. It was a combination of things. My other big concern was his lack of performance against good teams and inability to kick more than 40m set shots. And to be fair re the foot, we had trouble getting him on the park for the first 2 years at full fitness.

Then when I found out he was a train wreck off field, I absolutely blew my top.

 

[arsesmart]

Let’s be honest the Dees wanted May more than they wanted Hogan.
I was at the time also worried about Jessie’s injury, but it was the price
paid that put a price target on his head.
The West(Coast) paper tried the same sh.t with Jackson, but nothing bothers
him.
If we had stood our ground The Dees would of come around, in the end though
it worked out beneficial to both clubs, you thank your lucky stars that Luke
wanted to come here.
More concerning is that we couldn’t help or stand by Hogan in our system.
Every club has a wayward type of player, sure we all want the private school
kids wearing the uniform, but there is something special in watching a player
That non confirms making it big, when the odds say he won’t.

The thing about Hogan that gives him the ability to be elite is his forward-smarts. He's also got plenty of physical prowess for sure, which of course helps. But he's the sort of player (a la Hawkins etc) who could just get better and better in the second half of his career and keeping producing beyond 35+ yo.

He's just got be around long enough to mature. He may already be there. A smart club can nurse him to that.

 

[go_the_dockers]

It wasn't just the navicular, which is a perfectly reasonable thing to be worried about. It was a combination of things. My other big concern was his lack of performance against good teams and inability to kick more than 40m set shots. And to be fair re the foot, we had trouble getting him on the park for the first 2 years at full fitness.

Then when I found out he was a train wreck off field, I absolutely blew my top.

I agree with all that, but still feel Lobb was the worse trade.

He was never any good.

 

[Joao]

I agree with all that, but still feel Lobb was the worse trade.

He was never any good.

As bad as each other (if you knew about Hogan off-field).

At least Hogan was A+ talent. Lobb had never done anything that suggested he was A grade (and still hasn't) yet we gave up the pick that got Ben King to acquire picks for him. ****ing dire.

 

[Docker82]

I agree with all that, but still feel Lobb was the worse trade.

He was never any good.

We also traded probably the equivalent of a late first rounder/early second rounder for him.

People love to say we traded two firsts for him but conveniently ignore we also got a first rounder and multiple later picks back with him. The points index, which is a load of sh**, values him at absolutely ***all - think it’s like a third round pick or something. The reality of what we paid is somewhere in between.

Given the actual cost I don’t know what people were expecting. I thought he went okay the majority of the time he was at Freo tbh.

He seems like a bit of a tool tbh and looked a bit soft at times so I can understand why some posters don’t like him. He can play football though - if you don’t have unrealistic expectations on a guy traded for the value that was traded.

This is coming from someone who didn’t want him at the club in the first place. I will admit I thought Hogan was worth the risk - to a degree I probably still do. I think gave up on him far too easily tbh.

 

[ubiquitous226]

We also traded probably the equivalent of a late first rounder/early second rounder for him.

People love to say we traded two firsts for him but conveniently ignore we also got a first rounder and multiple later picks back with him. The points index, which is a load of sh**, values him at absolutely ***all - think it’s like a third round pick or something. The reality of what we paid is somewhere in between.

Given the actual cost I don’t know what people were expecting. I thought he went okay the majority of the time he was at Freo tbh.

He seems like a bit of a tool tbh and looked a bit soft at times so I can understand why some posters don’t like him. He can play football though - if you don’t have unrealistic expectations on a guy traded for the value that was traded.

This is coming from someone who didn’t want him at the club in the first place. I will admit I thought Hogan was worth the risk - to a degree I probably still do. I think gave up on him far too easily tbh.

Agreed, I don't think any general supporter ever liked Lobb but he served a purpose across that time period.
Our team would have been even more dire for a long time without the structure Lobb brought, even if he was soft and never regularly performed to his capabilities.

It is one hell of a bow to draw to say we traded away the chance at Ben King for Lobb (read: ridiculous). We clearly wanted more picks to get a number of deals done, including Neale and Hogan.
The Lobb trade included amongst other things pick 11 for pick 14, so it was hardly the driving force behind that pick trade.

 

[Superkoops]

I’m not a massive fan of Lobb but the trade went as below:
The Dockers gave up pick 11 and pick 19 to secure Lobb in return for picks 14, 43 and 47.

We then traded two picks in 40’s (incl. one of those above) for a pick in 20’s.

Not considering points I’d say a value around pick 19-22 was around the mark for Lobb (ie end of first round). The same comp for Band 2 such as Doedee for e.g.

Now Lobb was a tool but fulfilled 4 years of 5 year contract and we ended up getting two second round picks back for him. In year one he was handy and played quite a bit of ruck as Darcy sufffered injuries.

In his final year he helped us get into the finals as the key forward with almost 40 goals.

By no means a disaster.

Whereas Hogan was pick 6 and 25. That is indeed a disaster that has been felt over the past few years.

I agree we could have at least had a crack at holding Hogan to his final year of contract with a range of behavioural parameters. At the end of the day we got FA for him in salary dump. Probably would have got the same with him out of contract or he perhaps may have come good. Change of scenery has served him well but done nothing for us.

 

[arsesmart]

I’m not a massive fan of Lobb but the trade went as below:
The Dockers gave up pick 11 and pick 19 to secure Lobb in return for picks 14, 43 and 47.

We then traded two picks in 40’s (incl. one of those above) for a pick in 20’s.

Not considering points I’d say a value around pick 19-22 was around the mark for Lobb (ie end of first round). The same comp for Band 2 such as Doedee for e.g.

Now Lobb was a tool but fulfilled 4 years of 5 year contract and we ended up getting two second round picks back for him. In year one he was handy and played quite a bit of ruck as Darcy sufffered injuries.

In his final year he helped us get into the finals as the key forward with almost 40 goals.

By no means a disaster.

Whereas Hogan was pick 6 and 25. That is indeed a disaster that has been felt over the past few years.

I agree we could have at least had a crack at holding Hogan to his final year of contract with a range of behavioural parameters. At the end of the day we got FA for him in salary dump. Probably would have got the same with him out of contract or he perhaps may have come good. Change of scenery has served him well but done nothing for us.

We invested in Hogan, that's was done. But that's never the end of the story for a footy club. Can't blame any supporter for feeling sore on the result. It's our list they're custodians of (we stay, they the footy staff come and go).

It's a bit of an intangible, but given the supplementary evidence of players we wanted to keep leaving around the same period, those in those positions seemed either too scared, too lazy and/or too orthodox to do enough with player retention/development to back that investment up.

 

[Docker82]

Agreed, I don't think any general supporter ever liked Lobb but he served a purpose across that time period.
Our team would have been even more dire for a long time without the structure Lobb brought, even if he was soft and never regularly performed to his capabilities.

It is one hell of a bow to draw to say we traded away the chance at Ben King for Lobb (read: ridiculous). We clearly wanted more picks to get a number of deals done, including Neale and Hogan.
The Lobb trade included amongst other things pick 11 for pick 14, so it was hardly the driving force behind that pick trade.

We could've traded in Hogan and Lobb and kept a high draft selection IMO.

Perhaps the mistake was trading out pick 6 to Port Adelaide to get pick 11 and some later picks.

A future second rounder could've got the Lobb trade done imo.

Neale and Hogan trades had similar value.

 

[go_the_dockers]

We also traded probably the equivalent of a late first rounder/early second rounder for him.

People love to say we traded two firsts for him but conveniently ignore we also got a first rounder and multiple later picks back with him. The points index, which is a load of sh**, values him at absolutely ***all - think it’s like a third round pick or something. The reality of what we paid is somewhere in between.

Given the actual cost I don’t know what people were expecting. I thought he went okay the majority of the time he was at Freo tbh.

He seems like a bit of a tool tbh and looked a bit soft at times so I can understand why some posters don’t like him. He can play football though - if you don’t have unrealistic expectations on a guy traded for the value that was traded.

This is coming from someone who didn’t want him at the club in the first place. I will admit I thought Hogan was worth the risk - to a degree I probably still do. I think gave up on him far too easily tbh.

We had pick 6 and neale. Brisbane had pick 5. We could have turned it into king and rozee very easily

 

[pK75]

We had pick 6 and neale. Brisbane had pick 5. We could have turned it into king and rozee very easily

If we were actually rebuilding, absolutely!
We weren’t though, we were having a re-plumb, re-stump, re-wire instead. It’s why I can’t get behind the “8 year rebuild” posters on here, we started the rebuild in 2020, nearly every high profile player we brought into the club from 2016-2019 has left, we have AB and Sturt left as our first round picks from that period. Darcy, Cox, Ryan, Switta, Frederick were all 2nd round or later.

 

[bellie4pm]

Let’s be honest the Dees wanted May more than they wanted Hogan.
I was at the time also worried about Jessie’s injury, but it was the price
paid that put a price target on his head.
The West(Coast) paper tried the same sh.t with Jackson, but nothing bothers
him.
If we had stood our ground The Dees would of come around, in the end though
it worked out beneficial to both clubs, you thank your lucky stars that Luke
wanted to come here.
More concerning is that we couldn’t help or stand by Hogan in our system.
Every club has a wayward type of player, sure we all want the private school
kids wearing the uniform, but there is something special in watching a player
That non confirms making it big, when the odds say he won’t.

Still think walters is the best feel good story freo has produced to date

 

[go_the_dockers]

If we were actually rebuilding, absolutely!
We weren’t though, we were having a re-plumb, re-stump, re-wire instead. It’s why I can’t get behind the “8 year rebuild” posters on here, we started the rebuild in 2020, nearly every high profile player we brought into the club from 2016-2019 has left, we have AB and Sturt left as our first round picks from that period. Darcy, Cox, Ryan, Switta, Frederick were all 2nd round or later.

Either way the club completely ****ed up, and as normal ****ed our next 10 year by being stupid.

 

[Dayts]

Future 3rd for Logan or GTFO

 

[nurries]

We had pick 6 and neale. Brisbane had pick 5. We could have turned it into king and rozee very easily

I know he went later but Walls was into Butters. How good would King and Butters be now?

 

[Taylor]

Future 3rd for Logan or GTFO

At this point, near half time, there's two disposals out of three of Sydney's tall options forward. Not looking good.

 

[noise36]

JUH getting talked up like buddy on a big contract , didn't he kick less goals than Amiss?

 

[heypenny]

JUH getting talked up like buddy on a big contract , didn't he kick less goals than Amiss?

That's completely fine with me. Let the bulldogs sign him up on an inflated contract and continue to squeeze their salary cap. I'm happy for our players to fly under the radar.

 

[Taylor]

JUH getting talked up like buddy on a big contract , didn't he kick less goals than Amiss?

Yes, he played an extra game and kicked six less goals. Three and a half hours more game time total across the year.

 

[Duz97]

Logan McDonald is ass I’d rather Tracey

 

[wakojako]

Logan McDonald is ass I’d rather Tracey

I love BigFooty

 

[Taylor]

I'm content with this game all year from McDonald, we get none of these performances but if he's poor we get him cheaper and can also get a top five/ten pick trading two firsts for points

 

[Snuffaluphagus]

These McDonald chats are going to be funny all year, when kicks 5 against WC he'll be a gun again

 

[wakojako]

I'm content with this game all year from McDonald, we get none of these performances but if he's poor we get him cheaper and can also get a top five/ten pick trading two firsts for points

Tay if he has a shit year the Swans will still demand pick 4 equivalent. Jackson had an average year and look what we coughed up for him. If Walls is at the trade table than I will guarantee it.