List Mgmt. 2024 List Management thread - Trade Targets

[millsy]

Is Baker confirmed as a FA (restricted or not)?

I thought drafted end of 2017, so 7 seasons in, but I'm assuming he wasn't delisted and redrafted at any point?

 

[Docker82]

Is he a big enough upgrade, to justify using a 1st round on him?

Does he fill a weakness in our list?

Is he the right age group?

Probably

Probably not (could maybe play wing or small forward but doesn't have exposed form)

Maybe if he fixes.the wing or small forward issue then yes. There's probably 3-4 spots we need to fill with gun players to compete for top four. If he solves one that'd probably be worth it for a first rounder imo. But probably depends how we fill the other holes

 

[wakojako]

Chapman? Or are you counting him as a winger?

Oh forgot Chappy, that just reinforces my point there’s no room in the backline!

 

[FreoGirl]

Are we still eyeing Liam Baker? Listen up, folks, Richmond might be itching to offload him by the end of the year. Their roster? It's in dire need of some serious TLC. But let me tell you something – Baker's got that spark, that X-factor we're always hunting for. His numbers? They're whispering a tale that could fit snugly into our grand plan. Keep your eyes peeled on this one, folks. It might just be the steal of the season.

would much prefer him over others we could go for

 

[Dockeroo]

Hughes is not best 22 and is only playing due to injuries. We have the following 7 defenders which are b22:

Irreplaceable
-------------------------------------
1. Pearce
2. Ryan
3. Cox
4. Clark
5. Walker

Potentially Replaceable
-------------------------------------
6. Aish
7. Wagner

Now you could make a case to replace Aish or Wagner but that would depend on how much Baker would improve their position. That's not even including Chapman! If you trade Baker in you are losing $500k in salary cap and forcing a b22 player out.

It's not that I don't think Baker is a good player, the numbers just don't add up.

He’s a better player than all of Wagner Aish Walker and Clark.
We overrate our own players. Go over to the main board and ask them who whey would pick out of that group over baker. It would be none, I can guarantee you.

Cornes is annoying me lately with his takes but he’s been right about Baker for a long time. We’d be lucky to have him.

 

[Dirty_banchez]

Bro what is everyone's obsession with him. He would be okay to have on our list but he is not a list need. We would be wasting valuable trade capital on a roleplayer which is just stupid.

Liam Baker is a very good player. He could play forward and roll through the midfield.

 

[pK75]

Liam Baker is a very good player. He could play forward and roll through the midfield.

Aren’t we earmarking the role for Erasmus and Simpson to develop into to replace Switta? Bringing in Baker may be an upgrade but it would likely mean we lose at least one of them looking for more opportunity.

 

[bellie4pm]

Hughes is not best 22 and is only playing due to injuries. We have the following 7 defenders which are b22:

Irreplaceable
-------------------------------------
1. Pearce
2. Ryan
3. Cox
4. Clark
5. Walker

Potentially Replaceable
-------------------------------------
6. Aish
7. Wagner

Now you could make a case to replace Aish or Wagner but that would depend on how much Baker would improve their position. That's not even including Chapman! If you trade Baker in you are losing $500k in salary cap and forcing a b22 player out.

It's not that I don't think Baker is a good player, the numbers just don't add up.

Chapman surely?

 

[Docker82]

Chapman surely?

Chapman forces Wagner out.

As I think the previous poster was trying to point out is it worth pushing out Aish?

I tell you what if he’s one getting pushed out our back six is doing bloody well. If he could play forward half as well as back he wouldn’t be getting forced out with this current squad. It’s all about whether you improve positions because you can or whether you target certain needs imo.

I’m not sure Baker really adds that much to our forward line but he hasn’t played there for some time so I don’t really know. The biggest addition he may make is on the wing - He hasn’t played there all that often lately but tbh I just see the wing like attributes when I see him play more than I see things that would make him a good forward - he was drafted as one though.

 

[wakojako]

He’s a better player than all of Wagner Aish Walker and Clark.

The problem with this argument is those defenders you mentioned play specialist roles. Baker is a 173 cm utility player that isn't particularly quick. He can't play Walker's lock down role (who is shaping to be an elite small defender) and he can't play the defensive rebounding role of Clark/Wagner as he doesn't have the speed. He would be competing with Aish for that final utility spot.

He is not a small forward despite what some people say on here and we literally have no room in the midfield.

 

[FreoGirl]

Aren’t we earmarking the role for Erasmus and Simpson to develop into to replace Switta? Bringing in Baker may be an upgrade but it would likely mean we lose at least one of them looking for more opportunity.

I think Erasmus will go anyway, and he is not going to be as good as Baker

 

[FreoGirl]

He’s a better player than all of Wagner Aish Walker and Clark.
We overrate our own players. Go over to the main board and ask them who whey would pick out of that group over baker. It would be none, I can guarantee you.

Cornes is annoying me lately with his takes but he’s been right about Baker for a long time. We’d be lucky to have him.

I disagree that he is better than Clark

 

[Rockmelon]

Its hard to see both Aish and Baker in the same 22 tbh, they both play a similair role. Baker is a massive upgrade on Aish though and i would be looking to bring him over if we could

 

[Taylor]

Liam Baker

7

Liam Baker

Age

26

Ht

173cm

Wt

72kg

Pos.

D/F

Career

Season

Last 5

D

15.7

4star

K

7.8

3star

HB

7.9

5star

M

3.2

3star

T

2.6

4star

MG

222.2

3star

D

14.6

4star

K

6.8

3star

HB

7.9

4star

M

3.8

4star

T

1.8

3star

MG

191.9

3star

D

14.4

4star

K

6.2

3star

HB

8.2

5star

M

1.6

2star

T

1.8

4star

MG

224.2

4star

would need to be drafted a year earlier to qualify as a free agent without being delisted and that window I'd expect the potential for that to happen was when Baker was finishing 6th, =2nd and =4th in their B&F.

I'm 99% certain that he is not a free agent and you'd be buying a ready to go, clean hands small with 100+ games experience.

Liam Baker

7

Liam Baker

Age

26

Ht

173cm

Wt

72kg

Pos.

D/F

Career

Season

Last 5

D

15.7

4star

K

7.8

3star

HB

7.9

5star

M

3.2

3star

T

2.6

4star

MG

222.2

3star

D

14.6

4star

K

6.8

3star

HB

7.9

4star

M

3.8

4star

T

1.8

3star

MG

191.9

3star

D

14.4

4star

K

6.2

3star

HB

8.2

5star

M

1.6

2star

T

1.8

4star

MG

224.2

4star

:
2020 - 6th
2021 - =2nd
2022 - =4th
2023 - 6th

Their coaches rate him as a top handful player the last four years, at least in terms of role delivery.

I think if you were building a new side you'd take him with both hands.

 

[arsesmart]

Don't know if Baker would be as good anywhere else. Maybe after a season or two. Also the cost would be steep .

If getting Baker cost you Serong, would you do it?

 

[freo_leo29]

Free agent, if they get band 2, they'll just take it because with WC bottom, we arent trading a pick for him

Hmm I think we have been through it and baker was a mature ager (played 2017 gf for Subi) so he just misses the cut off?

Edit: yep people agreeing on the next page too

 

[Alfonz]

Footywire is usually a pretty good source and on their contracts page it says Baker is not a free agent.

Not interested if we are trading for him. He might not be top dollar, but you still end up paying a good draft pick and salary for someone who won't really move the needle that much.

Sure, he is a feisty little player and the sort that is highly valued by coaches/teammates, but what we need are point of difference players (x-factor, power/burst/speed, goal sense, booming kick, etc). Easier said than done to find those players, but we aren't ticking those boxes with Baker.

 

[apuchar]

Footywire is usually a pretty good source and on their contracts page it says Baker is not a free agent.

Not interested if we are trading for him. He might not be top dollar, but you still end up paying a good draft pick and salary for someone who won't really move the needle that much.

Sure, he is a feisty little player and the sort that is highly valued by coaches/teammates, but what we need are point of difference players (x-factor, power/burst/speed, goal sense, booming kick, etc). Easier said than done to find those players, but we aren't ticking those boxes with Baker.

Finally, sanity prevails.

 

[Snuffaluphagus]

Footywire is usually a pretty good source and on their contracts page it says Baker is not a free agent.

Not interested if we are trading for him. He might not be top dollar, but you still end up paying a good draft pick and salary for someone who won't really move the needle that much.

Sure, he is a feisty little player and the sort that is highly valued by coaches/teammates, but what we need are point of difference players (x-factor, power/burst/speed, goal sense, booming kick, etc). Easier said than done to find those players, but we aren't ticking those boxes with Baker.

I would not be interested in trading for him either, now I need to remember where I got free agent from

 

[arsesmart]

I would not be interested in trading for him either, now I need to remember where I got free agent from

Quite a few sources have him as a FA, eg AFL's Gettable & Zero Hanger. Either way you'd expect him to push for a trade that more than fairly compensates the Tigers (even more likely is he extends mid year).

 

[Snuffaluphagus]

Quite a few sources have him as a FA, eg AFL's Gettable & Zero Hanger. Either way you'd expect him to push for a trade that more than fairly compensates the Tigers (even more likely is he extends mid year).

If he was FA I think band 2 compo is close enough to his value that there is no point haggling though maybe optimistic. If not, yeah, I'm not interested in handing over a late teens pick

 

[Docker82]

Don't know if Baker would be as good anywhere else. Maybe after a season or two. Also the cost would be steep .

If getting Baker cost you Serong, would you do it?

Lol. Baker would be worth one first rounder which we have three of.

How in any way shape or form would that cost us Serong. You wouldn't be getting a contracted Serong for any less than two first rounders.

 

[arsesmart]

If he was FA I think band 2 compo is close enough to his value that there is no point haggling though maybe optimistic. If not, yeah, I'm not interested in handing over a late teens pick

Yeah, he's most likely not thinking of going anywhere at this stage, which means to even have any sort of shot at it we have to really load up the honey pot to try entice him out.

High wages and good deal for the Tigers, you'd think.

 

[arsesmart]

Lol. Baker would be worth one first rounder which we have three of.

How in any way shape or form would that cost us Serong. You wouldn't be getting a contracted Serong for any less than two first rounders.

Just used Serong as an embodiment of the eggs that might have to be cracked to make that omelette.

Salary cap pressure and Tigers wanting a replacement player (which we've seen speculation shake out trade-nominated players from teams before, eg Bradshaw, Ryan Burton to name two).

 

[maccamk]

Richmond are due for a Hawthorn style fire sale or run the risk of being the next West Coast. If that’s the case their assets will come at a discount and there maybe other assets coming available later in the year to chase picks.


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