List Mgmt. 2024 National Draft - November 20-21
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I think they'll get more points by splitting their earlier picks further, but maybe something like a future 3rd could come into play. Even from our perspective, I'd rather give them all three picks for one higher up the order than give them one for a future third likely to be essentially a 4th rounder, which is essentially worthless.
Fair enough. But I see teams on that table like Adelaide west coast freo north and hawthorn with Picks in the 60- s and 70 s, and not many picks before that, so in a good draft might be keen to move up a few spots and switch out a future pick to achieve that?
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I disagree. A future third is a pick in the 50s in a draft not expected to be as deep. Clubs will pay that to move up if there's someone there they want and their next pick is still a fair way away. You might even get a swap of future second for future third.
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BTW, the crime novelist, Clancy Dennis is actually a very good KP defender we could get with one of our picks
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Looking at each teams draft picks if we were going to try and get up the board it would involve packaging our picks and going for either the Lions or Suns 34 or 39 but then we only have one pick in the draft. Lions pick 27 is not possible if you look at the points we have, our collective draft points is 623 and pick 27 is 703.
The other way of maybe getting a pick is with future 3rds, at this point if we could, I would trade a future 2nd but we can't as we traded a future 1st. With list spots so tight around the competition we can hope that a team would trade a their current 3rd for a future 3rd. But then you look at the teams who might be able to do it and you could at max move up 8-10 spots from our best draft pick with pick 43 (Lions) having the first pick in the third round.
These teams have thirds that would be worth trading for
Lions pick 43 - won't trade for a future
Sydney pick 44 - probably most likely to trade for a future
Geelong pick 45 - won't trade
Essendon pick 46 - won't trade
Saints pick 47 - won't trade
Dogs pick 48 - might trade - we would only trade if there was a player we wanted
Best case scenario we get picks 44, 52, 55, 58 - don't know if we would keep 58.
The other way of maybe getting a pick is with future 3rds, at this point if we could, I would trade a future 2nd but we can't as we traded a future 1st. With list spots so tight around the competition we can hope that a team would trade a their current 3rd for a future 3rd. But then you look at the teams who might be able to do it and you could at max move up 8-10 spots from our best draft pick with pick 43 (Lions) having the first pick in the third round.
These teams have thirds that would be worth trading for
Lions pick 43 - won't trade for a future
Sydney pick 44 - probably most likely to trade for a future
Geelong pick 45 - won't trade
Essendon pick 46 - won't trade
Saints pick 47 - won't trade
Dogs pick 48 - might trade - we would only trade if there was a player we wanted
Best case scenario we get picks 44, 52, 55, 58 - don't know if we would keep 58.
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I am sure there are more highlights but one handball, one mark and one goal.
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Here's manics longshots for now
Clancy Dennis - 195cm KD who takes the game on and has plenty of athleticism, good hands and moves very well.
Bailey McKenzie - 191cm third tall who has plenty of X factor, pack marks and very athletic. Not a KF but the 3rd tall forward is becoming very important if you can find a good one.
Clancy Dennis - 195cm KD who takes the game on and has plenty of athleticism, good hands and moves very well.
Bailey McKenzie - 191cm third tall who has plenty of X factor, pack marks and very athletic. Not a KF but the 3rd tall forward is becoming very important if you can find a good one.
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I don't know why but I really like Bailey McKenzie too.
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6 goals in the GF, he can do it all but will need a couple of years to develop.
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Just realised Clancy Dennis is 4 days from being in the 2025 draft
But aren’t we likely to take a DFA into the senior list? Meaning that drops us down to two live picks and our third pick in the 50s wouldn’t be utilised anyway?
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Hmm, a versatile, undersized forward prospect with questionable set shot goal kicking?
All he needs is a cricket or basketball background and he's a lock to join the black and white.
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Sadly true
Hopefully we stick to Leppa’s comments and get some key position types who play tall and create a contest. No athletic combine specialists please
Our first pick moves into a pick in the mid 40s anyway because all the picks in between will be used for bid matching. So no point trading up.
I'd see if we can somehow get a future pick that can help with Mcguane matching. Or make it easier for us to trade up next year
How's Richmond's timing! Win 3 flags and drop then load up ina supposed super draft.
Setting them up potentially for another dynasty if it pays off.
They made out like bandits on Rioli and Bolton trades...unreal.
Setting them up potentially for another dynasty if it pays off.
They made out like bandits on Rioli and Bolton trades...unreal.
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Bring on the crime novelist.
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Lets see who fits that.
SIMS
A big key forward who has shown potential to match his size, Sims burst onto the scene this season when he played a starring role for the Northern Knights in the opening round of the Coates Talent League. He logged 14 disposals, seven marks and kicked five goals that day to announce himself. Five games later against the Oakleigh Chargers, Sims had another monster outing as he kicked 7.4 from 15 disposals and 10 marks (four contested).
He played all four games for Vic Metro at the under-18 national championships and kicked three goals from eight disposals in his best performance against Western Australia. Sims had some ‘almost’ moments in his other games, including missing three kickable set shots in the final match against Vic Country. A player with great presence, he attacks the ball in the air, has a huge leap and boasts vice-like hands to pluck a mark. His ability to be a strong back-up ruckman is also another string to his bow, which he showed while playing for the Knights at the back-end of the year. Sims recorded top-10 results in both the agility and running vertical jump tests at the national draft combine in October.
KAYLE GERRYN
STRENGTHS:
IMPROVEMENTS:
- Decision making
A late-developing tall, Gerreyn came into his own this season. His height means he looks like being better suited to a forward-ruck role at AFL level rather than a ruck-forward role. However, he showed plenty in both positions during his top-age campaign. A unique talent, Gerreyn is a good tap ruckman who also follows up his work well around the contest once the ball hits the ground. He’s capable of taking a nice contested mark and he can hit the scoreboard in multiple ways when in attack. Gerreyn had some monster games in the WAFL Colts when playing primarily as a ruckman, recording over 200 ranking points in four different matches. But when playing for his state during the under-18 national championships, he split his time between ruck and forward roles. Gerreyn’s best game of the tournament came against South Australia, when he logged 14 disposals, three marks, eight hitouts, three clearances and kicked three goals. Gerreyn’s father, Chris, was also a forward who was drafted to Hawthorn in 1992 but did not play a senior game.
Floyd Burmeister. (This sounds like a dekka prospect)
A former competitive high jumper, Burmeister does things that few 199cm prospects can.
A ruck-forward who can snap goals in a flash, soccer them off the deck or launch long bombs from 50m on the run? Burmeister certainly has some unique traits, which should come as no surprise given his high jump and athletics background - even boasting his own World Athletics profile. The Redan product has produced modest numbers this year for the Rebels and Vic Country, but his athleticism and ability to do what other talls can’t is exciting. He showcased some of those attributes on Coates Talent League Grand Final day when he kicked two goals and having some nice moments. A big vertical leap is commonplace for ruckman and Burmeister has that in spades, finishing third in the standing vertical jump and sixth in the running vertical jump at the national draft combine. He has shown an ability to follow up at stoppages and is competitive, even getting into the thick of a melee during Vic Country’s clash with Vic Metro.
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IMPROVEMENTS:
SIMS
A big key forward who has shown potential to match his size, Sims burst onto the scene this season when he played a starring role for the Northern Knights in the opening round of the Coates Talent League. He logged 14 disposals, seven marks and kicked five goals that day to announce himself. Five games later against the Oakleigh Chargers, Sims had another monster outing as he kicked 7.4 from 15 disposals and 10 marks (four contested).
He played all four games for Vic Metro at the under-18 national championships and kicked three goals from eight disposals in his best performance against Western Australia. Sims had some ‘almost’ moments in his other games, including missing three kickable set shots in the final match against Vic Country. A player with great presence, he attacks the ball in the air, has a huge leap and boasts vice-like hands to pluck a mark. His ability to be a strong back-up ruckman is also another string to his bow, which he showed while playing for the Knights at the back-end of the year. Sims recorded top-10 results in both the agility and running vertical jump tests at the national draft combine in October.
KAYLE GERRYN
STRENGTHS:
- Agility
- Contested marking
- Kick penetration
- Physicality
- Production
- Ruck craft
IMPROVEMENTS:
- Decision making
A late-developing tall, Gerreyn came into his own this season. His height means he looks like being better suited to a forward-ruck role at AFL level rather than a ruck-forward role. However, he showed plenty in both positions during his top-age campaign. A unique talent, Gerreyn is a good tap ruckman who also follows up his work well around the contest once the ball hits the ground. He’s capable of taking a nice contested mark and he can hit the scoreboard in multiple ways when in attack. Gerreyn had some monster games in the WAFL Colts when playing primarily as a ruckman, recording over 200 ranking points in four different matches. But when playing for his state during the under-18 national championships, he split his time between ruck and forward roles. Gerreyn’s best game of the tournament came against South Australia, when he logged 14 disposals, three marks, eight hitouts, three clearances and kicked three goals. Gerreyn’s father, Chris, was also a forward who was drafted to Hawthorn in 1992 but did not play a senior game.
Floyd Burmeister. (This sounds like a dekka prospect)
A former competitive high jumper, Burmeister does things that few 199cm prospects can.
A ruck-forward who can snap goals in a flash, soccer them off the deck or launch long bombs from 50m on the run? Burmeister certainly has some unique traits, which should come as no surprise given his high jump and athletics background - even boasting his own World Athletics profile. The Redan product has produced modest numbers this year for the Rebels and Vic Country, but his athleticism and ability to do what other talls can’t is exciting. He showcased some of those attributes on Coates Talent League Grand Final day when he kicked two goals and having some nice moments. A big vertical leap is commonplace for ruckman and Burmeister has that in spades, finishing third in the standing vertical jump and sixth in the running vertical jump at the national draft combine. He has shown an ability to follow up at stoppages and is competitive, even getting into the thick of a melee during Vic Country’s clash with Vic Metro.
STRENGTHS:
- Aggression
- Athleticism
- Kick penetration
- Mobility
- Upside
- Vertical leap
IMPROVEMENTS:
- Production
- Rawness
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Defenders:
CLANCY DENNIS
A promising tall defender who can contain dangerous key forwards, Dennis was named at centre-half back in the All-Australian team after a strong under-18 national championships campaign for Western Australia in the middle of the year. He finished as the tournament’s No.1 player for intercept marks, averaging 2.3 a game along with 11.3 disposals and 2.3 spoils. Dennis was his state’s best player in its final match against Vic Country, recording 14 disposals, five marks (four intercepts) and two spoils that day. He is an ultra-competitive type who is rarely beaten one-on-one and has good composure with ball in hand. Dennis played a key role in helping Claremont’s Colts side secure the premiership in the WAFL in September, logging 14 disposals, 10 intercept possessions and five spoils in the Grand Final victory over Swan Districts. However, he sat out testing at the draft combine in October due to a sore foot which he sustained during that Grand Final.
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IMPROVEMENTS:
MRAZ
Looming as a possible first-round prospect earlier in the year, Mraz has seen others rise ahead of him through no fault of his own. After playing with the injury in his first three games - two for the Stingrays and one for the AFL Academy - the athletic key defender was sidelined for the rest of the season after a crack in his foot was discovered. He still managed to take three intercept marks in both matches for Dandenong. While he wasn’t out there, Mraz didn’t miss a game or training all year and showed his determination by getting back for the draft combine. Remarkably, Mraz only started running four weeks before the combine but still managed to record a strong 2km time trial time for a player his size, also showing his spring with the ninth best running vertical jump. The Collingwood fan spent a week with the Magpies during the off-season and models his game on captain Darcy Moore, who he shares some similarities with as a tall defender who reads the play well and uses it with precision. The Narre North product also prides himself on his competitiveness.
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BARRAT
Barrat started the Coates Talent League season strongly with 18 goals in his first six games up forward and he has shown he is even better down back. The 194cm swingman was an intercept force after being shifted into defence for the Pioneers, averaging 11.6 intercept possessions and a formidable 6.2 intercept marks in seven matches in the role. That included nine intercept marks against Dandenong in round 12 and in their loss to Murray in round 19. Barrat was able to display his intercepting ability in the biggest game of the national champs, taking four marks from the opposition against Vic Metro. Barrat has vice-like hands overhead, is courageous in the air and is able to consistently come off his man and intercept with his excellent reading of the play. He highlighted his defensive attributes in his VFL debut for Essendon in round 18 with seven spoils and two intercept marks. Barrat underlined his serious upside at both ends in his final game of the season, finishing with 25 disposals, 13 contested possessions, seven intercepts, 125 SuperCoach points and two goals - one of those a long launch from outside 50. He doesn’t turn 18 until the Saturday after the draft, meaning he has more scope for growth than most.
HARRY O'FARRELL
It wasn’t the year that O’Farrell would have hoped to have had. Injuries heavily restricted the athletic key defender, who had entered season as the leading key position prospect in the draft in some people’s eyes. O’Farrell reads the play well, has a nice leap, possesses a good set of hands overhead and is capable of taking plenty of intercept marks. He impressed in a key defensive post in the first AFL Academy game against Coburg’s VFL side in April. However, he missed the second AFL Academy match with a calf complaint and suffered an ankle injury in Vic Metro’s second game of the under-18 national championships to be sidelined for the final two matches of the tournament. O’Farrell did produce some good school football performances with St Kevin’s earlier in the year, including one match where he logged nine intercept marks. But he was only seen in four games for the Cannons in the Coates Talent League, returning from injury for a round 18 clash against Dandenong. O’Farrell was swung forward in that match and kicked 2.4 from 10 disposals and four marks, showing some versatility. He looks up to Greater Western Sydney’s Harry Himmelberg, who has also shown abilities at both ends of the ground at AFL level.
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IMPROVEMENTS:
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CLANCY DENNIS
A promising tall defender who can contain dangerous key forwards, Dennis was named at centre-half back in the All-Australian team after a strong under-18 national championships campaign for Western Australia in the middle of the year. He finished as the tournament’s No.1 player for intercept marks, averaging 2.3 a game along with 11.3 disposals and 2.3 spoils. Dennis was his state’s best player in its final match against Vic Country, recording 14 disposals, five marks (four intercepts) and two spoils that day. He is an ultra-competitive type who is rarely beaten one-on-one and has good composure with ball in hand. Dennis played a key role in helping Claremont’s Colts side secure the premiership in the WAFL in September, logging 14 disposals, 10 intercept possessions and five spoils in the Grand Final victory over Swan Districts. However, he sat out testing at the draft combine in October due to a sore foot which he sustained during that Grand Final.
STRENGTHS:
- Consistency
- Intercept marking
- Leadership
- One-on-ones
- Rebounding
- Versatility
IMPROVEMENTS:
- Decision making
- Vision
MRAZ
Looming as a possible first-round prospect earlier in the year, Mraz has seen others rise ahead of him through no fault of his own. After playing with the injury in his first three games - two for the Stingrays and one for the AFL Academy - the athletic key defender was sidelined for the rest of the season after a crack in his foot was discovered. He still managed to take three intercept marks in both matches for Dandenong. While he wasn’t out there, Mraz didn’t miss a game or training all year and showed his determination by getting back for the draft combine. Remarkably, Mraz only started running four weeks before the combine but still managed to record a strong 2km time trial time for a player his size, also showing his spring with the ninth best running vertical jump. The Collingwood fan spent a week with the Magpies during the off-season and models his game on captain Darcy Moore, who he shares some similarities with as a tall defender who reads the play well and uses it with precision. The Narre North product also prides himself on his competitiveness.
STRENGTHS:
- Aerial ability
- Competitiveness
- Mobility
- Reading the play
- Skills
- Versatility
IMPROVEMENTS:
- Size
- Speed
BARRAT
Barrat started the Coates Talent League season strongly with 18 goals in his first six games up forward and he has shown he is even better down back. The 194cm swingman was an intercept force after being shifted into defence for the Pioneers, averaging 11.6 intercept possessions and a formidable 6.2 intercept marks in seven matches in the role. That included nine intercept marks against Dandenong in round 12 and in their loss to Murray in round 19. Barrat was able to display his intercepting ability in the biggest game of the national champs, taking four marks from the opposition against Vic Metro. Barrat has vice-like hands overhead, is courageous in the air and is able to consistently come off his man and intercept with his excellent reading of the play. He highlighted his defensive attributes in his VFL debut for Essendon in round 18 with seven spoils and two intercept marks. Barrat underlined his serious upside at both ends in his final game of the season, finishing with 25 disposals, 13 contested possessions, seven intercepts, 125 SuperCoach points and two goals - one of those a long launch from outside 50. He doesn’t turn 18 until the Saturday after the draft, meaning he has more scope for growth than most.
HARRY O'FARRELL
It wasn’t the year that O’Farrell would have hoped to have had. Injuries heavily restricted the athletic key defender, who had entered season as the leading key position prospect in the draft in some people’s eyes. O’Farrell reads the play well, has a nice leap, possesses a good set of hands overhead and is capable of taking plenty of intercept marks. He impressed in a key defensive post in the first AFL Academy game against Coburg’s VFL side in April. However, he missed the second AFL Academy match with a calf complaint and suffered an ankle injury in Vic Metro’s second game of the under-18 national championships to be sidelined for the final two matches of the tournament. O’Farrell did produce some good school football performances with St Kevin’s earlier in the year, including one match where he logged nine intercept marks. But he was only seen in four games for the Cannons in the Coates Talent League, returning from injury for a round 18 clash against Dandenong. O’Farrell was swung forward in that match and kicked 2.4 from 10 disposals and four marks, showing some versatility. He looks up to Greater Western Sydney’s Harry Himmelberg, who has also shown abilities at both ends of the ground at AFL level.
STRENGTHS:
- Athleticism
- Closing speed
- Defensive craft
- Intercepting
- Versatility
- Work rate
IMPROVEMENTS:
- Clean hands
- Set shot goalkicking
- Strength
Baseline on Instagram: "Is Harry O’Farrell the BEST KEY BACKMAN in the draft? Bro has been cooking the APS, after featuring for the AFL Academy squad early this year! 👀💪 @harry.ofarrell"
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