List Mgmt. 2024 National Draft - November 20-21

[Jen2310]

 

[Jen2310]

 

[Timmy from Thomastown]

C

How's Richmond's timing! Win 3 flags and drop then load up ina supposed super draft.
Setting them up potentially for another dynasty if it pays off.
They made out like bandits on Rioli and Bolton trades...unreal.

Super drafts are to some extent overrated. No matter how good a draft is that’s a massive roll of the dice to get the picks right.

Expect them to roll some of these picks into next year to even out the risks.

They have a very long term look about their approach, and predictions about dynasties are ridiculously premature.

 

[VinnieB]

Sadly true

Hopefully we stick to Leppa’s comments and get some key position types who play tall and create a contest. No athletic combine specialists please

I 100% agree. If they can’t take a contested mark, what’s the point?

Looking at Josh Treacy’s profile and it has the elements you want:

Standing at 194cm and 94kg, Treacy has a strong body that is hard to move in one-on-one contests. He averaged 1.2 contested marks per game in the NAB League last year for the Pioneers, and was one of the more consistent players in his bottom-age season. He possesses a penetrating kick that helps him take set shots from long range, so is suited to the role of a leading forward. As a co-captain of the Pioneers for this year, Treacy leads by example on and off the field and is somewhat of a barometer with his attack on the football and ball carrier. Whilst it can occasionally get him into trouble, Treacy does not waiver in his courage both aerially and at ground level, which led him to an average of 2.8 tackles per game in 2019, a pretty impressive feat for a tall forward.

Freo thought he was worth a punt in the rookie draft. ‘Strong body’, ‘contested mark’ ‘hard to move one-on-one contests’ ‘penetrating kick’ ‘attack on the football’ ‘courage’.

 

[Stuart1966]

Watched these highlight packages and he looks like a real prospect and around the mark were our picks fall
If we take 3 picks we should take a key defender a key forward and a midfield bull

 

[sr36]

C

Super drafts are to some extent overrated. No matter how good a draft is that’s a massive roll of the dice to get the picks right.

Expect them to roll some of these picks into next year to even out the risks.

They have a very long term look about their approach, and predictions about dynasties are ridiculously premature.

How does rolling them into next year even out the risks?

They'll have the list spots this year otherwise they won't be able to take them all into the draft.

I think they'll use the vast majority in this highly rated draft.

And they'll have pick 1 again next year.

I suppose they could try to gain a first round pick or two in order to trade them next year.

 

[manicpie]

Watched these highlight packages and he looks like a real prospect and around the mark were our picks fall
If we take 3 picks we should take a key defender a key forward and a midfield bull

Yes, I have him as one of our smokies.

 

[Timmy from Thomastown]

How does rolling them into next year even out the risks?

They'll have the list spots this year otherwise they won't be able to take them all into the draft.

I think they'll use the vast majority in this highly rated draft.

And they'll have pick 1 again next year.

I suppose they could try to gain a first round pick or two in order to trade them next year.

Different talent pool is my thinking. All the eggs in one basket in the one year is a very risky way to play it, regardless of how this alleged super draft is supposed to be. Anyway who cares, it’s only Richmond. I just disagree that their approach is some miracle strategy that assures them another dynasty.

 

[manicpie]

Different talent pool is my thinking. All the eggs in one basket in the one year is a very risky way to play it, regardless of how this alleged super draft is supposed to be. Anyway who cares, it’s only Richmond. I just disagree that their approach is some miracle strategy that assures them another dynasty.

Besides Richmond and their disastrous supa draft many years ago, I can't think of any clubs that have gone in or had such a riches of first round picks before. I'd just use them all this year and develop them together. This is much better than the Tambling draft and they can cover every area of the ground from mids to talls, whilst allowing them to bond at the same time. I understand your trepidation but I'd just go for it.

 

[satanshoof101]

Watched these highlight packages and he looks like a real prospect and around the mark were our picks fall
If we take 3 picks we should take a key defender a key forward and a midfield bull

Unless Thomas Sims slides to our first pick it may be hard to find a pure key forward.

All of Harry O'Farrell, Noah Mraz, Clancy Dennis have played back, forward and ruck. If we chose two of the three I would be pretty stoked.

Also agree that we do still need an midfield bull and do like the look of Luke Urquhart. He does lack polish but he looks aggressive at the contest and a big body.

 

[Matt_352]

Looking at who might be available at our picks. No.1 priority for me is Dennis. Would love one of Sims or Stumph. Maybe if we take a 3rd pick maybe a small/medium forward in Alger?

 

[sr36]

Different talent pool is my thinking. All the eggs in one basket in the one year is a very risky way to play it, regardless of how this alleged super draft is supposed to be. Anyway who cares, it’s only Richmond. I just disagree that their approach is some miracle strategy that assures them another dynasty.

Thinking about it. If I was them I'd take 6 this year and try to trade for a couple of first round picks. Then it's trade time with a strong hand next year to start adding around the couple of good ones you'll get with all those early picks this year and next.

 

[Timmy from Thomastown]

Thinking about it. If I was them I'd take 6 this year and try to trade for a couple of first round picks. Then it's trade time with a strong hand next year to start adding around the couple of good ones you'll get with all those early picks this year and next.

I think that’s what i was trying to say the first time

 

[sr36]

Besides Richmond and their disastrous supa draft many years ago, I can't think of any clubs that have gone in or had such a riches of first round picks before. I'd just use them all this year and develop them together. This is much better than the Tambling draft and they can cover every area of the ground from mids to talls, whilst allowing them to bond at the same time. I understand your trepidation but I'd just go for it.

Go bang. Load up with early picks and another one next year. They can start adding mature blokes around them next year so it's not a long time at the bottom.

 

[Apex36]

Go bang. Load up with early picks and another one next year. They can start adding mature blokes around them next year so it's not a long time at the bottom.

Depends on their drafting really. Everyone keeps acting like early draft picks are the key to a rebuild but history says otherwise.
My favourite myth that certain posters have pushed recently is the Hawks rebuilding quickly from bottoming out, but the fact is that their list is full of later picks and shrewd trade pick ups that didn’t cost a whole lot.

Tigers supporters are expecting to pick up 8 stars from this supposed super draft, I’d be surprised if they got more than 1-2, with a couple of serviceable 150 gamers and a few busts. Even the chance they pick poorly and get no stars.

 

[sr36]

Depends on their drafting really. Everyone keeps acting like early draft picks are the key to a rebuild but history says otherwise.
My favourite myth that certain posters have pushed recently is the Hawks rebuilding quickly from bottoming out, but the fact is that their list is full of later picks and shrewd trade pick ups that didn’t cost a whole lot.

Tigers supporters are expecting to pick up 8 stars from this supposed super draft, I’d be surprised if they got more than 1-2, with a couple of serviceable 150 gamers and a few busts. Even the chance they pick poorly and get no stars.

It depends how they do it. They've got pick 1 this year and will probably get pick 1 next year, plus 5 or so other prized picks. Won't take much luck for that to be enough talented youth, they need to find a few guns but don't need them all to be hits, and if they trade a couple of picks for first round picks next year, they can start trading for mature players with a really strong trading hand next year. And they haven't been down long enough to have attracted the North stench, so should still be able to attract players.

If it works they will have a strong long term base to build upon.

It's a good play that they either stumbled on due to players wanting out or have actively sought out.

 

[Fat Jesus]

A champion team will always beat a team of champions.

Fly the perfect Coach for this recipe to work.

 

[Apex36]

It depends how they do it. They've got pick 1 this year and will probably get pick 1 next year, plus 5 or so other prized picks. Won't take much luck for that to be enough talented youth, they need to find a few guns but don't need them all to be hits, and if they trade a couple of picks for first round picks next year, they can start trading for mature players with a really strong trading hand next year. And they haven't been down long enough to have attracted the North stench, so should still be able to attract players.

If it works they will have a strong long term base to build upon.

It's a good play that they either stumbled on due to players wanting out or have actively sought out.

I don’t give them that much credit. They just happened to have a few talented rats abandoning the sinking ship that happened to coincide with a strong draft.
Having ridiculous amounts of early picks on the list hasn’t worked for any of Carlton, GWS or GC in the past, and even Melbourne were way beyond their tanking for early picks days before they actually found success.
Pretty much all the leaders from the tigers successful period are gone or almost cooked now, they’ve lost all their most talented players to trades or retirement and they’re starting fresh with a coach who’s still very inexperienced. I’d be surprised if they make finals within the next 5-6 years. I also feel bad for Yze because history tells us that coaches in his position aren’t set up particularly well to succeed, and I’m certain that this isn’t what he signed up for when he took over at the Tigers.

 

[JuniorB]

Depends on their drafting really. Everyone keeps acting like early draft picks are the key to a rebuild but history says otherwise.
My favourite myth that certain posters have pushed recently is the Hawks rebuilding quickly from bottoming out, but the fact is that their list is full of later picks and shrewd trade pick ups that didn’t cost a whole lot.

Tigers supporters are expecting to pick up 8 stars from this supposed super draft, I’d be surprised if they got more than 1-2, with a couple of serviceable 150 gamers and a few busts. Even the chance they pick poorly and get no stars.

Yeah, they've done the latter before.
We can only hope.

 

[Jen2310]

There was talk that they may give up a couple selections for north's pick 2.

 

[sr36]

I don’t give them that much credit. They just happened to have a few talented rats abandoning the sinking ship that happened to coincide with a strong draft.
Having ridiculous amounts of early picks on the list hasn’t worked for any of Carlton, GWS or GC in the past, and even Melbourne were way beyond their tanking for early picks days before they actually found success.
Pretty much all the leaders from the tigers successful period are gone or almost cooked now, they’ve lost all their most talented players to trades or retirement and they’re starting fresh with a coach who’s still very inexperienced. I’d be surprised if they make finals within the next 5-6 years. I also feel bad for Yze because history tells us that coaches in his position aren’t set up particularly well to succeed, and I’m certain that this isn’t what he signed up for when he took over at the Tigers.

Where it's different to the Blues and Dees is that they're getting a 3 or 4 years at the bottom haul all in one hit and with a bit of luck should get enough talent to switch to proven talent as early as next year. And where it's different to the expansion clubs is that they're an established club with a positive reputation and should still be able to attract that proven talent.

It's going to be an interesting watch, but if we were in their list position, I'd be really happy with what they've done, as they were heading nowhere and trying to rebuild with just one early pick a year is a fool's game.

 

[Apex36]

Where it's different to the Blues and Dees is that they're getting a 3 or 4 years at the bottom haul all in one hit and with a bit of luck should get enough talent to switch to proven talent as early as next year. And where it's different to the expansion clubs is that they're an established club with a positive reputation and should still be able to attract that proven talent.

The odds of them getting 3-4 years of high end talent through the door and successfully developing them in to long term players is extremely low. There’s no way in hell they’re going to attract any meaningful talent through trades in the next 12 months without giving monster offers that other clubs can’t get close to, which sounds feasible but will quickly burst their cap once their theoretical young stars start requiring pay rises.

It's going to be an interesting watch, but if we were in their list position, I'd be really happy with what they've done, as they were heading nowhere and trying to rebuild with just one early pick a year is a fool's game.

I’m the opposite, if I were a tigers fan I’d be wanting the club to trade in to the future for a couple of years and spread out the junior talent acquisition and ease the burden on our development coaches. It would also help with responsible cap management long term, because in the event that they did hit the jackpot and get multiple superstars then they’re all hitting free agency at once.

 

[Vinnie Vegas]

Unless Thomas Sims slides to our first pick it may be hard to find a pure key forward.

All of Harry O'Farrell, Noah Mraz, Clancy Dennis have played back, forward and ruck. If we chose two of the three I would be pretty stoked.

Also agree that we do still need an midfield bull and do like the look of Luke Urquhart. He does lack polish but he looks aggressive at the contest and a big body.

I don't like the look of Mraz - Seems unco and slow thinking. The other two I liked the look of.

Also kind of like Floyd Burmeister, Kayle Gerreyn, Jonty Faull and Charlie West.

If the recruiters who've seen more of these guys than any of us also think any of those guys are worth taking a shot at, then I'll be immediately convinced.

 

[loki04]

C

Super drafts are to some extent overrated. No matter how good a draft is that’s a massive roll of the dice to get the picks right.

Expect them to roll some of these picks into next year to even out the risks.

They have a very long term look about their approach, and predictions about dynasties are ridiculously premature.

Supposed super draft.
Potentially set them up for one.

Both are IFs.

If it is one and if they get it right. Then develop well.

Geelong loaded up heavily in 01 which i guess is still used as the flag bearer for so called super drafts.

 

[loki04]

Besides Richmond and their disastrous supa draft many years ago, I can't think of any clubs that have gone in or had such a riches of first round picks before. I'd just use them all this year and develop them together. This is much better than the Tambling draft and they can cover every area of the ground from mids to talls, whilst allowing them to bond at the same time. I understand your trepidation but I'd just go for it.

Geelong loaded up in 2001.

 

[loki04]

I don’t give them that much credit. They just happened to have a few talented rats abandoning the sinking ship that happened to coincide with a strong draft.
Having ridiculous amounts of early picks on the list hasn’t worked for any of Carlton, GWS or GC in the past, and even Melbourne were way beyond their tanking for early picks days before they actually found success.
Pretty much all the leaders from the tigers successful period are gone or almost cooked now, they’ve lost all their most talented players to trades or retirement and they’re starting fresh with a coach who’s still very inexperienced. I’d be surprised if they make finals within the next 5-6 years. I also feel bad for Yze because history tells us that coaches in his position aren’t set up particularly well to succeed, and I’m certain that this isn’t what he signed up for when he took over at the Tigers.

Will take them 5 years development.
Will need to hit FA and trade on after they get a core group as well.