List Mgmt. 2024 National Draft - November 20-21

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I'd be backing in Hine well ahead of Leppitsch when it comes to U18 talent identification.

Leppitsch doesn't have a history in recruitment and is in his first year as our full time list manager.
And there's no reason why Hine hasn't identified talented U18 talls, if that's what we are specifically after ..
 
Love to know what the current list spots available for all clubs after last night's draft. Anyone know?
Based upon the number of picks Twoomey believes each club will take:

2024 Telstra AFL Draft Combine List
Adelaide: 58, 74
Brisbane: 46, 47, 49, 56, 59, 66, 69, 95, 99
Carlton: 40, 55, 63, 64, 67
Collingwood: 45, 48, 53, 61, 78
Essendon: 37, 39, 43, 60, 91, 97
Fremantle: 34, 62, 77, 85
Geelong: 42, 50, 70, 80
Gold Coast: 57, 90, 96
Greater Western Sydney: 36, 93, 98
Hawthorn: 35, 65, 71
Melbourne: 75
North Melbourne: 54, 72, 82
Port Adelaide: 33, 38, 94
Richmond: 28, 89
St Kilda: 32, 51, 76, 84
Sydney: 41, 52, 81, 87
West Coast: 30, 44, 68, 73, 83, 88
Western Bulldogs: 29, 31, 79, 86, 92

RED picks unlikely to be taken.
 
Maybe I just see Leppa having more of an influence on our selections than others do..
If Hine tells Leppa that none of the talls are worth drafting and only small, slow midfielders are any good, Leppa doesn't really have enough standing in U/18 talent identification to go against that.

Leppitsch can set a priority, but ultimately Hine is going to have to believe that a player is not completely useless to draft him.
 

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Can't wait for naicos to run alongside pendle's son in 12 years time.
Wonder if that will make naicos the first player to play alongside both a father his son .
Dustin fletcher and the Watson’s ?
Lachie Neale was ALSO pick #58, like Swanny, in 2011. Nick Larkey went #73 in 2016. There's still regular examples where top talents slip through.

It doesn't mean it's a guarantee, but it wasn't then either. But there's no evidence to suggest that drafting has gotten so airtight that no high end talents could slip through the cracks to a later pick.
Great players slip through until rookie recruitment and early picks are busts all of the time in the NFL, which channels incredible resources into the caper. No reason it can’t happen in this draft for the Pies, he says hopefully
 
I call proper kpp 194+.

Crossing everything for:

One of Sims, Gerryn, Nicholls
One of OFarell, Mraz, Dennis
Luke Kennedy

Bring on our draft day!
so someone please enlighten me on the appeal of Luke Kennedy

Looks busy, good intensity generally clean hands and decent handball feeds, but looks small and slow..

So what am I missing and why are so many so keen on him?
 
And there's no reason why Hine hasn't identified talented U18 talls, if that's what we are specifically after ..
He was very keen on the talls in the 2020 draft, we obviously didnt have the picks that high
 
Yes there are hits on occassion but few and far between and requires just as much luck as anything.
The Swan, S.Mitchell et el draft was a bloody long time ago now.

My expectations will be tempered until they show something.
Hopefully we can find another Beau McCreery or even less likely next Swan but my expectations are it's a lucky windfall rather then expected.
It's not as hail Mary as you think. 1 in 3 picks in this range play 100 games. And this draft is really highly rated for its depth. 2 decent players is pretty likely.
 
Based upon the number of picks Twoomey believes each club will take:

2024 Telstra AFL Draft Combine List
Adelaide: 58, 74
Brisbane: 46, 47, 49, 56, 59, 66, 69, 95, 99
Carlton: 40, 55, 63, 64, 67
Collingwood: 45, 48, 53, 61, 78
Essendon: 37, 39, 43, 60, 91, 97
Fremantle: 34, 62, 77, 85
Geelong: 42, 50, 70, 80
Gold Coast: 57, 90, 96
Greater Western Sydney: 36, 93, 98
Hawthorn: 35, 65, 71
Melbourne: 75
North Melbourne: 54, 72, 82
Port Adelaide: 33, 38, 94
Richmond: 28, 89
St Kilda: 32, 51, 76, 84
Sydney: 41, 52, 81, 87
West Coast: 30, 44, 68, 73, 83, 88
Western Bulldogs: 29, 31, 79, 86, 92

RED picks unlikely to be taken.
Thanks. Now I'm just trying to guess which of those clubs with picks before us would be targetting a tall 🤣
 
I hope we take three key position players just so we can actually talk about some other types of players next year. The Lemmy, Keeler, Scully draft discussion broke me.

Sims looks ideal for us but I'm not sure he's making it that far. Just want good players over type, we have a lot of positions retiring soon. But if it's a key I like the strong physical players so Mraz, Gerreyn, West and Dennis are the ones I'm hanging out for.
 
I hope we take three key position players just so we can actually talk about some other types of players next year. The Lemmy, Keeler, Scully draft discussion broke me.

Sims looks ideal for us but I'm not sure he's making it that far. Just want good players over type, we have a lot of positions retiring soon. But if it's a key I like the strong physical players so Mraz, Gerreyn, West and Dennis are the ones I'm hanging out for.
Sims and Nicholls look fairly strong? Massive Agree on Dennis and Mraz
 
GWV Rebels wing-midfielder Jack Ough, who put himself on the radar with a strong finish to his 2024 campaign, has lots of clubs with second-round picks circling, including Hawthorn, Port Adelaide, Western Bulldogs and the GWS Giants. Collingwood would also consider Ough, as well as Mraz, if they slipped through to their picks.

The Magpies, after a busy trade period last month, will be hoping to find a few diamonds in the rough with Picks 45, 48, 53 and 61. One player they have been linked to is Norwood forward Jay Polkinghorne, who kicked 15 goals from six SANFL Under 18s games before a successful step up to reserves level that saw him boot eight goals from five games.

Other names to watch on night two of the draft include GWV Rebel Floyd Burmeister, South Australian duo Charlie Nicholls and Charlie West, Geelong Falcons pair Lachie Jaques and Xavier Ivisic, Murray Bushrangers’ Josh Murphy, Sandringham Dragons’ Josh Dolan and Stingrays forward Sam Toner.
 

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I reckon we'll take 2 talls and Kennedy. If both west and polkinghorne are still there, the temptation will be too strong. I also think we might take 4 if a player we want is still there. AJ might be in trouble
Agree. My thought has been 2 talls and Kennedy all along.

Kennedy 181cm mid that Dekka will love 😂

That outcome I will be very very happy with.
 
If we take 3 today and one of aj or markov get taken up, reckon we will target tomlinson or hayes ?

Or we leave that spot open for a ssp or msd pick?
 
Yes there are hits on occassion but few and far between and requires just as much luck as anything.
The Swan, S.Mitchell et el draft was a bloody long time ago now.

My expectations will be tempered until they show something.
Hopefully we can find another Beau McCreery or even less likely next Swan but my expectations are it's a lucky windfall rather then expected.
For mine the best way to look at this is talent and all the ingredients that go a player becoming an AFL commodity come from understanding its a pyramid. The kids at the top stand out more clearly. No 1 pick is the pick that has the biggest separation by attributes from the next pick, no 2, than any other 2 successive picks.

It's because talent etc lives on a normal distribution. If you fall at the extremes, in this case no 1 pick, there are very few who are in that race and picking them becomes clear and they are very likely to be good.

Get down to the 20s, 30s and 40s and the talent becomes more spread, there are more contenders and the attributes they have merge more closely into other contenders. They are less likely to make it anyway, the difference between 25 and 45 is usually less than between 1 and 2.

Understand that and you then understand why after pick 20 about 1:3 make 100 games and success isn't much different with picks in 20s 30s and 40s. Stressing over picks in the 40s not making it is a waste because it happens in 2 out of 3.
 
I'd be backing in Hine well ahead of Leppitsch when it comes to U18 talent identification.

Leppitsch doesn't have a history in recruitment and is in his first year as our full time list manager.

Talent identification certainly, but Leppa will be dictating the player type he wants. Up to Hine to find players within those parameters.
 
If Hine tells Leppa that none of the talls are worth drafting and only small, slow midfielders are any good, Leppa doesn't really have enough standing in U/18 talent identification to go against that.

Leppitsch can set a priority, but ultimately Hine is going to have to believe that a player is not completely useless to draft him.
Yes I understand what Hine's role is.

He can just easily identify a talented tall if that is our target. And by all accounts there are a few available tonight.
 
Seems to lack the physical approach to the contest I like to see from the bigger guys. Mind you, I've watched like two YouTube clips of him so it's a really limited view.
So like Schache and Luckicous?
 
I call proper kpp 194+.

Crossing everything for:

One of Sims, Gerryn, Nicholls
One of OFarell, Mraz, Dennis
Luke Kennedy

Bring on our draft day!
I like Kennedy too but not sure why the obsession that we get him - we have interviewed 10 plus others who play a similar role
 

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