List Mgmt. 2024 National Draft - November 20-21
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If the lions are going to pass on majority of their picks, i hope they return the favour and trade us one of the late 40s pick they plan on passing .
We would send 53 and 61 their way, they send us 49.
Probably
For those interested here’s a recent phantom draft including late picks. Gives some indication of players who likely gone before our pick and which clubs taking them. Has hawks taking sims at 35. (Guesses of course)
www.espn.com.au
ESPN's full, final Phantom Draft - every pick, every trade, every bid
It's draft day! Seventy-one picks, nine bids, four live trades, and a whole lot of drama is being predicted in ESPN's full, final Phantom ahead of the 2024 AFL Draft.
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Would our pick at 49 be any different to 53. Unlikely
53 and 61 were Brisbane's picks so I don't believe we can trade them back to them.
I also don't think it realy matters
Pick 45 = Collingwood
Pick 46 = Brisbane (Re draft Darragh Joyce)
Pick 47 = Brisbane (Re draft Darcy Craven)
Pick 48 = Collingwood
Pick 49 = Brisbane (in theory this is a pass)
Pick 50 = Geelong
Pick 51 = St Kilda
Pick 52 = Sydney
Pick 53 = Collingwood
Therefore the only pick that could be moved in front of live picks is Pick 53 which was Brisbane's
sr36
TheBrownDog
I think Nichols looks a good defence prospect. Not so much as a forward.
55. Geelong - Charlie Nicholls
Central District/South Australia
FWD, 197cm
A project key position player for the Cats to develop, Nicholls is long and rangy and deceptively quick off the mark. He kicks goals almost exclusively from lead-ups and needs to add size to become a contested marking threat. Nicholls has suitors in the Pies and Lions at this stage as well.
Seems to be Ben brownish. As a forward not suited to todays game
Aren't darrah and joyce expected to be on the rookie list and not the senior list ? So 46 and 47 could be live selections.
Just checked and yes you are correct.
Brisbane Lions List Changes For 2025
The Brisbane Lions have confirmed additional list changes as it prepares for next month’s Telstra AFL National Draft and the 2025 season.
sr36
TheBrownDog
I think it's sort of flipped in terms of which end to play talls. You want the physical brutes providing a contest up forward and the good movers covering off more space in defence. Obviously the very cream like Curnow and Cameron are another story again.
I have no clue who we should draft, but I like the sound of Sims...... his nick name surely has to be Dim if we get him
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Post-Human
Good point that Lions have 2 Picks between Our 1st and 2nd Pick so they could be looking go tall as well
We get 1st pick but 2 Talls could before the 2nd Pick
We get 1st pick but 2 Talls could before the 2nd Pick
The lions have enough ammunition to jump ahead of us.
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Leppitsch would be more across list structure and list needs. He would be telling Hine "we need this type of player," not "we need this player."
I know people are desperate but I think we need to temper our expectations when it comes to any KPF prospects taken in our selection range.
Sure it's not impossible to find the next Nick Larkey but if you were to count up all the KPF prospects taken outside say the top 15 over the last decade we'd see how improbable it is to find such a diamond in the rough.
As it is it was sheer dumb luck more than excellent recruitment and we know this because in no way would any recruiter risk 72 selections taking place before calling his name if they knew what they had in Larkey.
In reality we probably stand a better chance of landing a decent KPD in our range more than a KPF.
It's been a couple of years since I've updated my deep dive on the recruitment history of Hine (who I'm a fan of) but our success rate when it comes to the 3rd round wasn't great reading if I recall (though pretty much on par with 2nd). How it compares to other recruiters I do not know.
List was originally compiled up until the 2022 mid season rookie draft .
The stats for the 2nd round:
*Still Active
14 selections (John McCarthy excluded):
Hit: 3
2006 #28 Chris Dawes 121 games (71 for Collingwood)
2008 #29 Dayne Beams 177 games (119 for Collingwood)
2014 #30 Brayden Maynard *209 games
Pass: 2
2005 #21 Danny Stanley 88 games (5 for Collingwood)
2016 #35 Callum Brown F/S 70 games
Miss: 8
2004 #23 Sean Rusling 17 games
2005 #23 Ryan Cook 14 games
2012 #38 Jackson Ramsay 17 games
2015 #32 Brayden Sier 28 games
2016 #30 Sam McLarty 0 games
2018 #29 Will Kelly F/S 5 games
2019 #40 Jay Rantall 5 games
2020 #31 Liam McMahon 0 games
Yet to be determined: 1
2020 #30 Caleb Poulter *28 games (12 for Collingwood)
The stats for the 3rd round:
*Still Active
20 selections:
Hit: 4
2004 #39 Travis Cloke F/S 256 games (246 for Collingwood)
2010 #45 Alex Fasolo 104 games (101 for Collingwood)
2017 #39 Nathan Murphy 57 games
2020 #44 Beau McCreery *77 games
Pass: 1
2005 #37 John Anthony 51 games (43 for Collingwood)
Miss: 14
2006 #44 Brad Dick 27 games
2007 #47 Tobias Thoolen 0 games
2008 #45 Jarrad Blight 0 games
2008 #46 Luke Rounds 6 games
2010 #46 Daniel Farmer 0 games
2010 #60 Kirk Ugle 3 games
2011 #50 Jackson Paine 16 games (12 for Collingwood)
2011 #65 Corey Gault 6 games
2014 #48 Matthew Goodyear 2 games
2016 #50 Kayle Kirby 1 game
2017 #50 Tyler Brown F/S 28 games (27 for Collingwood)
2019 #45 Trent Bianco 23 games
2021 #45 Arlo Draper 0 games
2021 #49 Cooper Murley 0 games
Still to be determined: 1
2021 #52 Harvey Harrison *16 games
If you're looking for a little hope the stats for round 4 were better:
*Still Active
10 selections:
Hit: 6
2006 #63 Tyson Goldsack 165 games
2010 #76 Paul Seedsman 132 games (49 for Collingwood)
2011 #67 Jarrod Witts *181 games (40 for Collingwood)
2013 #65 Tom Langdon 89 games
2015 #58 Tom Phillips 115 games (89 for Collingwood)
2016 #57 Josh Daicos F/S *126 games
Pass: 1
2009 #62 Ben Sinclair 63 games
Miss: 3
2004 #55 Adam Iacobucci 4 games
2007 #61 Jaxson Barham F/S 7 games
2019 #55 Trey Ruscoe 18 games
Notable hits from round 5 and rookie selections:
*Still Active
2009 #75 Josh Thomas 123 games
2004 #20 Heritier Lumumba 223 games (199 for Collingwood)
2005 #2 Alan Toovey 159 games
2006 #10 Sharrod Wellingham 171 games (92 for Collingwood)
2006 #26 Brent Macaffer 77 games
2008 #27 Jarryd Blair 157 games
2008 #69 Lachlan Keeffe *116 games (40 for Collingwood)
2011 #35 Marley Williams 128 games (68 for Collingwood)
2017 #22 Brody Mihocek *137 games
2019 #14 John Noble *(112 games for Collingwood)
2020 #13 Jack Ginnivan *65 games (42 for Collingwood)
Sure it's not impossible to find the next Nick Larkey but if you were to count up all the KPF prospects taken outside say the top 15 over the last decade we'd see how improbable it is to find such a diamond in the rough.
As it is it was sheer dumb luck more than excellent recruitment and we know this because in no way would any recruiter risk 72 selections taking place before calling his name if they knew what they had in Larkey.
In reality we probably stand a better chance of landing a decent KPD in our range more than a KPF.
It's been a couple of years since I've updated my deep dive on the recruitment history of Hine (who I'm a fan of) but our success rate when it comes to the 3rd round wasn't great reading if I recall (though pretty much on par with 2nd). How it compares to other recruiters I do not know.
List was originally compiled up until the 2022 mid season rookie draft .
The stats for the 2nd round:
*Still Active
14 selections (John McCarthy excluded):
Hit: 3
2006 #28 Chris Dawes 121 games (71 for Collingwood)
2008 #29 Dayne Beams 177 games (119 for Collingwood)
2014 #30 Brayden Maynard *209 games
Pass: 2
2005 #21 Danny Stanley 88 games (5 for Collingwood)
2016 #35 Callum Brown F/S 70 games
Miss: 8
2004 #23 Sean Rusling 17 games
2005 #23 Ryan Cook 14 games
2012 #38 Jackson Ramsay 17 games
2015 #32 Brayden Sier 28 games
2016 #30 Sam McLarty 0 games
2018 #29 Will Kelly F/S 5 games
2019 #40 Jay Rantall 5 games
2020 #31 Liam McMahon 0 games
Yet to be determined: 1
2020 #30 Caleb Poulter *28 games (12 for Collingwood)
The stats for the 3rd round:
*Still Active
20 selections:
Hit: 4
2004 #39 Travis Cloke F/S 256 games (246 for Collingwood)
2010 #45 Alex Fasolo 104 games (101 for Collingwood)
2017 #39 Nathan Murphy 57 games
2020 #44 Beau McCreery *77 games
Pass: 1
2005 #37 John Anthony 51 games (43 for Collingwood)
Miss: 14
2006 #44 Brad Dick 27 games
2007 #47 Tobias Thoolen 0 games
2008 #45 Jarrad Blight 0 games
2008 #46 Luke Rounds 6 games
2010 #46 Daniel Farmer 0 games
2010 #60 Kirk Ugle 3 games
2011 #50 Jackson Paine 16 games (12 for Collingwood)
2011 #65 Corey Gault 6 games
2014 #48 Matthew Goodyear 2 games
2016 #50 Kayle Kirby 1 game
2017 #50 Tyler Brown F/S 28 games (27 for Collingwood)
2019 #45 Trent Bianco 23 games
2021 #45 Arlo Draper 0 games
2021 #49 Cooper Murley 0 games
Still to be determined: 1
2021 #52 Harvey Harrison *16 games
If you're looking for a little hope the stats for round 4 were better:
*Still Active
10 selections:
Hit: 6
2006 #63 Tyson Goldsack 165 games
2010 #76 Paul Seedsman 132 games (49 for Collingwood)
2011 #67 Jarrod Witts *181 games (40 for Collingwood)
2013 #65 Tom Langdon 89 games
2015 #58 Tom Phillips 115 games (89 for Collingwood)
2016 #57 Josh Daicos F/S *126 games
Pass: 1
2009 #62 Ben Sinclair 63 games
Miss: 3
2004 #55 Adam Iacobucci 4 games
2007 #61 Jaxson Barham F/S 7 games
2019 #55 Trey Ruscoe 18 games
Notable hits from round 5 and rookie selections:
*Still Active
2009 #75 Josh Thomas 123 games
2004 #20 Heritier Lumumba 223 games (199 for Collingwood)
2005 #2 Alan Toovey 159 games
2006 #10 Sharrod Wellingham 171 games (92 for Collingwood)
2006 #26 Brent Macaffer 77 games
2008 #27 Jarryd Blair 157 games
2008 #69 Lachlan Keeffe *116 games (40 for Collingwood)
2011 #35 Marley Williams 128 games (68 for Collingwood)
2017 #22 Brody Mihocek *137 games
2019 #14 John Noble *(112 games for Collingwood)
2020 #13 Jack Ginnivan *65 games (42 for Collingwood)
sr36
TheBrownDog
We really needed an earlier bid for Ashcroft to wipe out those picks between ours. Not just for drafting but I think we'll both be in competition to trade up or out into next year. And if a bid comes for Camporeale or Cochrane early enough, they're in a slightly better position to trade up and probably out as you'd think we'll use our first pick.
