List Mgmt. 2024 National Draft - November 20-21

[Jen2310]

 

[greening22]

Leppa is involved now. Have faith.

I just hope & pray.

 

[greening22]

If Hine tells Leppa that none of the talls are worth drafting and only small, slow midfielders are any good, Leppa doesn't really have enough standing in U/18 talent identification to go against that.

Leppitsch can set a priority, but ultimately Hine is going to have to believe that a player is not completely useless to draft him.

Totally disagree. With Leppitsch as our current List Manager, there will definitely be a new dynamic.

 

[sr36]

If Hine tells Leppa that none of the talls are worth drafting and only small, slow midfielders are any good, Leppa doesn't really have enough standing in U/18 talent identification to go against that.

Leppitsch can set a priority, but ultimately Hine is going to have to believe that a player is not completely useless to draft him.

Agree. Hine and his recruiting team will still be the important ones in terms of which player. The others will adjust priorities. However the short dig might be justified but the slow one isnt. All our draftees since the current coaching panel came in are excellent runners. Seems pretty likely that's a criterion adjustment to our post Bucks recruiting.

 

[unplugged]

How long to go?. The anticipation is too much

Starts at 7 again.

So our pick should be ready around 9pm

 

[manicpie]

Totally disagree. With Leppitsch as our current List Manager, there will definitely be a new dynamic.

I imagine there would be heaps of discussions throughout the year with the recruiting team. Leppa would be all over the draft

 

[Kappa]

what time do the picks start tonight? sorry if already answered

 

[manicpie]

what time do the picks start tonight? sorry if already answered

7pm

 

[Tippy78]

Wowee that’s crazy if they’re trying to get younger folk to engage with AFL.

Thursday night games are back en masse so I don’t think it’s a high priority for them

 

[TradeDraft]

I know people are desperate but I think we need to temper our expectations when it comes to any KPF prospects taken in our selection range.

Sure it's not impossible to find the next Nick Larkey but if you were to count up all the KPF prospects taken outside say the top 15 over the last decade we'd see how improbable it is to find such a diamond in the rough.

As it is it was sheer dumb luck more than excellent recruitment and we know this because in no way would any recruiter risk 72 selections taking place before calling his name if they knew what they had in Larkey.

In reality we probably stand a better chance of landing a decent KPD in our range more than a KPF.

It's been a couple of years since I've updated my deep dive on the recruitment history of Hine (who I'm a fan of) but our success rate when it comes to the 3rd round wasn't great reading if I recall (though pretty much on par with 2nd). How it compares to other recruiters I do not know.

List was originally compiled up until the 2022 mid season rookie draft .

The stats for the 2nd round:
*Still Active

14 selections (John McCarthy excluded):

Hit: 3
2006 #28 Chris Dawes 121 games (71 for Collingwood)
2008 #29 Dayne Beams 177 games (119 for Collingwood)
2014 #30 Brayden Maynard *209 games

Pass: 2
2005 #21 Danny Stanley 88 games (5 for Collingwood)
2016 #35 Callum Brown F/S 70 games

Miss: 8
2004 #23 Sean Rusling 17 games
2005 #23 Ryan Cook 14 games
2012 #38 Jackson Ramsay 17 games
2015 #32 Brayden Sier 28 games
2016 #30 Sam McLarty 0 games
2018 #29 Will Kelly F/S 5 games
2019 #40 Jay Rantall 5 games
2020 #31 Liam McMahon 0 games

Yet to be determined: 1
2020 #30 Caleb Poulter *28 games (12 for Collingwood)

The stats for the 3rd round:
*Still Active

20 selections:

Hit: 4
2004 #39 Travis Cloke F/S 256 games (246 for Collingwood)
2010 #45 Alex Fasolo 104 games (101 for Collingwood)
2017 #39 Nathan Murphy 57 games
2020 #44 Beau McCreery *77 games

Pass: 1
2005 #37 John Anthony 51 games (43 for Collingwood)

Miss: 14
2006 #44 Brad Dick 27 games
2007 #47 Tobias Thoolen 0 games
2008 #45 Jarrad Blight 0 games
2008 #46 Luke Rounds 6 games
2010 #46 Daniel Farmer 0 games
2010 #60 Kirk Ugle 3 games
2011 #50 Jackson Paine 16 games (12 for Collingwood)
2011 #65 Corey Gault 6 games
2014 #48 Matthew Goodyear 2 games
2016 #50 Kayle Kirby 1 game
2017 #50 Tyler Brown F/S 28 games (27 for Collingwood)
2019 #45 Trent Bianco 23 games
2021 #45 Arlo Draper 0 games
2021 #49 Cooper Murley 0 games

Still to be determined: 1
2021 #52 Harvey Harrison *16 games

If you're looking for a little hope the stats for round 4 were better:
*Still Active

10 selections:

Hit: 6
2006 #63 Tyson Goldsack 165 games
2010 #76 Paul Seedsman 132 games (49 for Collingwood)
2011 #67 Jarrod Witts *181 games (40 for Collingwood)
2013 #65 Tom Langdon 89 games
2015 #58 Tom Phillips 115 games (89 for Collingwood)
2016 #57 Josh Daicos F/S *126 games

Pass: 1
2009 #62 Ben Sinclair 63 games

Miss: 3
2004 #55 Adam Iacobucci 4 games
2007 #61 Jaxson Barham F/S 7 games
2019 #55 Trey Ruscoe 18 games

Notable hits from round 5 and rookie selections:
*Still Active

2009 #75 Josh Thomas 123 games

2004 #20 Heritier Lumumba 223 games (199 for Collingwood)
2005 #2 Alan Toovey 159 games
2006 #10 Sharrod Wellingham 171 games (92 for Collingwood)
2006 #26 Brent Macaffer 77 games
2008 #27 Jarryd Blair 157 games
2008 #69 Lachlan Keeffe *116 games (40 for Collingwood)
2011 #35 Marley Williams 128 games (68 for Collingwood)
2017 #22 Brody Mihocek *137 games
2019 #14 John Noble *(112 games for Collingwood)
2020 #13 Jack Ginnivan *65 games (42 for Collingwood)

Good Point that on Odds both be Average AFL Talls at Best

 

[Everybody Panic]

Was Shultz a rookie pick eventually? If so we've spent our last two first rounders on players who were originally rookie picks. Still plenty of quality left to pick from this year!

 

[Peter Sidorkiewicz]

Hine needs to find us a player or two.
Can’t afford another year where we take players like Draper, Murley, Bianco in the 40s only to delist them 2-3 years later

This is what concerns me with our key position strategy. We are relying on late picks or rookies or cast offs from other teams to fill our quota for the future and they are speculative picks at best. We probably haven't used a top 20 pick on a key position player since Darcy Moore, who was a layup pick due to father-son.

The Jayden Stephenson draft was so frustrating as Aaron Naughton was right there for us.

 

[Granit1962]

I don't get why some are down on our draft prospects and the clubs (Hine's ability)?
Our flag team had 9 players drafted from Pick 39 onwards and rookie drafts:

Murphy (39)
Frampton (84, trade)
Markov (50, DFA)
Mihocek (Rookie 22)
McCreery (44)
J Daicos (57)
Cox (Rookie 60)
Cameron (48, trade)
Ginnivan (Rookie 13)

Spot on, plus Hill, Howe, WHE, Markov, Lipinski, Crisp, McStay, Mitchell, who were traded in for not much/or/ nothing in terms of trade capital. That is 17 of our 23 premership players who were soureced from lower level picks, free agents, or, not much of all.

The strategy we have employed successfully, get a few elite players, surround them with a good balance of A/B graders, then get reasonable depth. We just seem to have taken this strategy to a new level in 2025.

Sustained success will come if we can find a couple of elites to saddle along the Daicous brothers (we have probably about 3/4 years to do this), steadily add to our A/B graders as they retire - to me this strategy is going beautifully - subject to maintaining a reasonable healthy balance of KPs, then maintaining depth - which we are very adept to doing.

Finding a few more elites, including KPD, is what will determine whether we maintain the rage beyond the doomsayers (rather pathetic) predictions. Maximinising all of trade,, Rookie A and B, FS, NGA, will give us best chance for sustained success. Given recent changes to to NGA I really hope we lead the way in this pathway.

 

[cakewalk06]

I know people are desperate but I think we need to temper our expectations when it comes to any KPF prospects taken in our selection range.

Sure it's not impossible to find the next Nick Larkey but if you were to count up all the KPF prospects taken outside say the top 15 over the last decade we'd see how improbable it is to find such a diamond in the rough.

As it is it was sheer dumb luck more than excellent recruitment and we know this because in no way would any recruiter risk 72 selections taking place before calling his name if they knew what they had in Larkey.

In reality we probably stand a better chance of landing a decent KPD in our range more than a KPF.

It's been a couple of years since I've updated my deep dive on the recruitment history of Hine (who I'm a fan of) but our success rate when it comes to the 3rd round wasn't great reading if I recall (though pretty much on par with 2nd). How it compares to other recruiters I do not know.

List was originally compiled up until the 2022 mid season rookie draft .

The stats for the 2nd round:
*Still Active

14 selections (John McCarthy excluded):

Hit: 3
2006 #28 Chris Dawes 121 games (71 for Collingwood)
2008 #29 Dayne Beams 177 games (119 for Collingwood)
2014 #30 Brayden Maynard *209 games

Pass: 2
2005 #21 Danny Stanley 88 games (5 for Collingwood)
2016 #35 Callum Brown F/S 70 games

Miss: 8
2004 #23 Sean Rusling 17 games
2005 #23 Ryan Cook 14 games
2012 #38 Jackson Ramsay 17 games
2015 #32 Brayden Sier 28 games
2016 #30 Sam McLarty 0 games
2018 #29 Will Kelly F/S 5 games
2019 #40 Jay Rantall 5 games
2020 #31 Liam McMahon 0 games

Yet to be determined: 1
2020 #30 Caleb Poulter *28 games (12 for Collingwood)

The stats for the 3rd round:
*Still Active

20 selections:

Hit: 4
2004 #39 Travis Cloke F/S 256 games (246 for Collingwood)
2010 #45 Alex Fasolo 104 games (101 for Collingwood)
2017 #39 Nathan Murphy 57 games
2020 #44 Beau McCreery *77 games

Pass: 1
2005 #37 John Anthony 51 games (43 for Collingwood)

Miss: 14
2006 #44 Brad Dick 27 games
2007 #47 Tobias Thoolen 0 games
2008 #45 Jarrad Blight 0 games
2008 #46 Luke Rounds 6 games
2010 #46 Daniel Farmer 0 games
2010 #60 Kirk Ugle 3 games
2011 #50 Jackson Paine 16 games (12 for Collingwood)
2011 #65 Corey Gault 6 games
2014 #48 Matthew Goodyear 2 games
2016 #50 Kayle Kirby 1 game
2017 #50 Tyler Brown F/S 28 games (27 for Collingwood)
2019 #45 Trent Bianco 23 games
2021 #45 Arlo Draper 0 games
2021 #49 Cooper Murley 0 games

Still to be determined: 1
2021 #52 Harvey Harrison *16 games

If you're looking for a little hope the stats for round 4 were better:
*Still Active

10 selections:

Hit: 6
2006 #63 Tyson Goldsack 165 games
2010 #76 Paul Seedsman 132 games (49 for Collingwood)
2011 #67 Jarrod Witts *181 games (40 for Collingwood)
2013 #65 Tom Langdon 89 games
2015 #58 Tom Phillips 115 games (89 for Collingwood)
2016 #57 Josh Daicos F/S *126 games

Pass: 1
2009 #62 Ben Sinclair 63 games

Miss: 3
2004 #55 Adam Iacobucci 4 games
2007 #61 Jaxson Barham F/S 7 games
2019 #55 Trey Ruscoe 18 games

Notable hits from round 5 and rookie selections:
*Still Active

2009 #75 Josh Thomas 123 games

2004 #20 Heritier Lumumba 223 games (199 for Collingwood)
2005 #2 Alan Toovey 159 games
2006 #10 Sharrod Wellingham 171 games (92 for Collingwood)
2006 #26 Brent Macaffer 77 games
2008 #27 Jarryd Blair 157 games
2008 #69 Lachlan Keeffe *116 games (40 for Collingwood)
2011 #35 Marley Williams 128 games (68 for Collingwood)
2017 #22 Brody Mihocek *137 games
2019 #14 John Noble *(112 games for Collingwood)
2020 #13 Jack Ginnivan *65 games (42 for Collingwood)

So in short, you are saying Dekka is due to deliver 3 all Australians from the later rounds?

 

[TradeDraft]

I am Ready to go

 

[FIGJAM]

Out of interest, it is illegal to flag with a club that you're going to bid on one of their F&S/Academy players?

 

[Jen2310]

Was Shultz a rookie pick eventually? If so we've spent our last two first rounders on players who were originally rookie picks. Still plenty of quality left to pick from this year!

Pick 58 in the 2018 national draft Wikipedia tells me


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[Vinnie Vegas]

All our draftees since the current coaching panel came in are excellent runners.

We've only had a handful of picks since then, and Arlo Draper and Cooper Murley are among them, and Harry DeMattia just got beaten in the time trial by a ruckman, so I don't think that's really true.

I mean, maybe Cooper Murley could run, actually, but he was so unlikely to ever make it as an AFL footballer that you basically just wrote him off as delisted as soon as he walked into the club. I wouldn't be surprised if the club never even timed his 2km.

 

[swoop42]

Hoping someone bids on B Camporeale before the scums pick 40 comes around.

 

[unplugged]

Happy Josh Murphy day for all of those who celebrate it.

 

[Matt_352]

Happy Josh Murphy day for all of those who celebrate it.

Nah man its Clancy Dennis day

 

[Pragmatic Shill]

Out of interest, it is illegal to flag with a club that you're going to bid on one of their F&S/Academy players?

Would think it's considered a form of draft tampering, surely.

 

[ElliottsMaggies]

Happy Tall Player(s) Day

 

[GreekLunatic]

I like the name stumpf hope we get him

 

[swoop42]

We should take that fat bastard.

He's a tall isn't he?

He'd lick up all the melts at least.

 

[TradeDraft]