Game Day 2024 National Draft Preview Thread Part Deux - Draft Picks: 2 (R1), 62 (R4), 76 (R5), 86 (R6)

[year of the roo]

So you don’t make a team pay fair value for an elite talent in order to trade for a speculative pick in the third round?

It's mental. Even if Brisbane were the only team with a 3rd rounder.

 

[TennisPlayerAndy]

Exactly.

It’s insanity.

 

[Makeshift Park]

It’s insanity.

Making Brisbane pay fair value on a F/S pick gives us no competitive advantage over the competition aside from diminishing the Lions' draft hand.

If there's a specific player or two we really like who is expected to go late, not bidding on Ashcroft gives us a competitive advantage that we wouldn't otherwise have.

I think its perfectly rational.

 

[TennisPlayerAndy]

Making Brisbane pay fair value on a F/S pick gives us no competitive advantage over the competition aside from diminishing the Lions' draft hand.

If there's a specific player or two we really like who is expected to go late, not bidding on Ashcroft gives us a competitive advantage that we wouldn't otherwise have.

I think its perfectly rational.

Or we could trade with any other clubs for a third rounder?

 

[Groucho]

In the 90s there was definitely an air of unease when his name came up. For the life of me can't recall the supposed issue.

Think there was further shitness when we overlooked his son who went on to play a few games for Richmond iirc.

I can recall Greig being highly critical of Barassi around that time. Said that , with the teams he was given, we should have won at least 4 flags in the ‘70’s. He was probably right but Barassi was so revered for getting our first that it didn’t go down too well.

 

[Lomas]

I think you are all forgetting that as a F/S pick Ashcroft does not in fact exist. So bidding may not exist either, until someone bids, then it, and Ashcroft, may in fact exist.
Or something like that.

 

[Makeshift Park]

Or we could trade with any other clubs for a third rounder?

We could. But maybe it makes more sense for North to lock in a deal at the start of the draft knowing that the other party will have to commit to avoid going into a points deficit, rather than buggering around in the wee hours of the second draft day, and maybe missing out on the player we like.

 

[King Corey]

I can recall Greig being highly critical of Barassi around that time. Said that , with the teams he was given, we should have won at least 4 flags in the ‘70’s. He was probably right but Barassi was so revered for getting our first that it didn’t go down too well.

Interesting.

Watching Brisbane, Geelong, Hawthorn, Richmond since 2000, there's now a similar (ever so slight) disappointment about the 90s.

Our side left 1 if not 2 flags on the table when looking at at the quality of that side - which retooled in 1997 to possibly be even stronger and better balanced than it was for the '96 flag.

Ah well.

 

[TennisPlayerAndy]

We could. But maybe it makes more sense for North to lock in a deal at the start of the draft knowing that the other party will have to commit to avoid going into a points deficit, rather than buggering around in the wee hours of the second draft day, and maybe missing out on the player we like.

This is draft tampering.

You’re describing draft tampering.

 

[Samsquanch]

Jesus I didn't know it was possible to be that bad. Have they never played a video game before?

Seems like they wasted most of their critical early teen years running around outside instead of doing something useful.

 

[Makeshift Park]

This is draft tampering.

You’re describing draft tampering.

Cry me a river.

Lets say North go to Brisbane and propose they'd like to trade an F3 for say pick 43.

Brisbane agree tentatively but point out that they'll only be able to afford it if Ashcroft doesn't get bid on until pick x.

AFL House is not gonna do shit about that.

 

[berniemccarthy]

Making Brisbane pay fair value on a F/S pick gives us no competitive advantage over the competition aside from diminishing the Lions' draft hand.

If there's a specific player or two we really like who is expected to go late, not bidding on Ashcroft gives us a competitive advantage that we wouldn't otherwise have.

I think its perfectly rational.

Are Brisbane not part of our competitor cohort ? If we gain an advantage against one we gain it against the whole. If we do not bid it should be the first question asked at the Q and A and should be continually asked until we get a satisfactory answer.

 

[shinboner magic]

You'd hope there's to be a third rounder in it for us.

We won’t get squat

Making Brisbane pay fair value on a F/S pick gives us no competitive advantage over the competition aside from diminishing the Lions' draft hand.

If there's a specific player or two we really like who is expected to go late, not bidding on Ashcroft gives us a competitive advantage that we wouldn't otherwise have.

I think its perfectly rational.

Is the club scared they will cop bids on ‘A grade ‘ f/s we have and our non existent nga players.

 

[Makeshift Park]

Are Brisbane not part of our competitor cohort ? If we gain an advantage against one we gain it against the whole. If we do not bid it should be the first question asked at the Q and A and should be continually asked until we get a satisfactory answer.

Depriving Brisbane of their third rounder is not more important to North's competitive prospects than successfully using the draft to secure the players we like.

Can't believe this needs to be said.

 

[Shermanator]

We won’t get squat


Is the club scared they will cop bids on ‘A grade ‘ f/s we have and our non existent nga players.

Herman Pernorkel likes this

 

[Luke72]

This will be great to see.

P.S. Lance Whitnall is a club great?

He was the great ginger hope there for a while. Never quite produced in the end

 

[Passmore]

We won’t get squat


Is the club scared they will cop bids on ‘A grade ‘ f/s we have and our non existent nga players.

North NGA = No good 'aye.....

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[Disco Dew]

Has this been posted yet?

 

[Colby Cheer Squad]

I can recall Greig being highly critical of Barassi around that time. Said that , with the teams he was given, we should have won at least 4 flags in the ‘70’s. He was probably right but Barassi was so revered for getting our first that it didn’t go down too well.

I remember that there was a 1975 premiership framed piece that had autographs of every player except Keith Greig. He wasn't willing to provide his signature to an item that was being sold for several hundred dollars. I don't think he wanted to be paid necessarily. It's just that it didn't sit well with him that anyone was making money off his name and autograph.

 

[Shermanator]

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Spat my lunch out reading that..

Not only pissing myself laughing but the fact Ross Lying is still at the Aints..

 

[GS WARRIORS]

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The picture should be of SOS. That bloke has stuffed up more top 10 pics than anyone.

 

[chubbspeterson]

If a trade was likely then Twomey would be running with it as a possibility - the complete opposite is happening though and the words 'very unlikely' are being repeated. It's easier for one team to keep their lips sealed regarding their plans on who they'd like to take, but for two teams to keep a trade on the down low and then spring it on the night is really not going to happen, especially not at the top end of the draft.

Usually someone will let something slip because that trade would then potentially lead to further trades down the track, and clubs would want to have plans in place for what they could manoeuvre in certain situations.

E.g. If we make a trade with Adelaide (let's say it's 2+F2 for 4 + F1 hypothetically), then Adelaide will want to have contingency plans in place whereby they can trade back in with a side that's willing if the right situation unfolded.

For example, let's say Adelaide are enamoured with Thomas Sims, and would be willing to trade our F2 + their own F2 for him if he's there at pick 22. That's something they'd already want to be talking to Sydney about (and other clubs in that zone). Adelaide only have our F2 and can create that hypothetical if they let Sydney know it's likely to happen - and Twomey would catch wind of that. In the scenario that Adelaide want Sims in the early 20s, they're not just exploring that with Sydney, but probably 3-4 other clubs in that range.

This is how Twomey can get so close, particularly at the top end. Clubs all talk to each other, and while they try as best as possible to keep their cards close to their chests, it's still in their best interest to be prepared for many different scenarios and willing to pivot into one if the opportunity arises. Who clubs pick can be difficult to pinpoint, but trades at the top end would be fairly easy to telegraph at this point.

Only problem Soup is Crows don't have their own F2, traded it for Peatling didn't they?

 

[gustaaf]

Clubs have nothing to lose and everything to gain from bidding on Ashcroft so can someone explain the point of not?

It is crazy. The reigning Premiers have the luck of having priority access to the best player in the draft and then according to this article get to pick him at the huge discount of pick 5 even before the ridiculous 20% father-son discount is applied. They are practically getting him for free.

By comparison, if memory serves me correct, the last time we had priority access to a quality player, Adelaide came in much earlier than expected at pick 8 to force us into paying overs for TT who then went on to implode in his personal life to make us regret ever making that investment in him to really rub it in. North's bad luck knows no bounds.

 

[bigosacr]

Only problem Soup is Crows don't have their own F2, traded it for Peatling didn't they?

Apparently the want to trade 2 f3's with wet toast for f2 (tied to hok)

 

[chubbspeterson]

**** knows where he would have heard them...

End of our AFLW games. Hard to miss hearing it