Preview 2024 National Draft Preview Thread Part Deux

[Krakouer Bonar]

IF Richmond dont pick Lalor...

We pick Lalor at 2. Trade F1 to GWS for 16 and 21. Xavier Lindsay and James Barrat could be options there.

Be bold. We still need a few quality mids.

 

[chubbspeterson]

He's actually good this Dylan Alexander bloke.....think he has a future in media.

North man as well. Extra points lol.

 

[NMFC49]

IF Richmond dont pick Lalor...

We pick Lalor at 2. Trade F1 to GWS for 16 and 21. Xavier Lindsay and James Barrat could be options there.

Be bold. We still need a few quality mids.

Agree that we must take Lalor at 2 if Richmond select otherwise. Lalor is powerful, can take a contested mark and kick goals.

 

[My Left Foote]

I actually thought Matt was the better Whitlock twin. Jack really got going towards the end of the year though.

I suspect there might be at least one club that agrees with you on this.

 

[chubbspeterson]

I suspect there might be at least one club that agrees with you on this.

Swans I reckon will be all over him if he gets to the early 20's.

 

[chubbspeterson]

We have 2 x F3 and a F2. That's enough ammunition to move into the top 30 on draft night imo.

What? Where'd the second F3 come from? I don't remember getting that in a deal this trade period.

 

[roos_fanatic08]

I actually thought Matt was the better Whitlock twin. Jack really got going towards the end of the year though.

It’s not easy to see on TV, but I’ve seen the boys up close and I think Matt has the sort of frame that will put on bulk a bit quicker than Jack (he is longer and leaner).

Matt is also the better ground level player. Also think he is a better kick (not that Jack is bad).

Jack is more natural in front of goal, has the extra few cm of height and is probably more of a contested marking threat at this stage.

 

[roos_fanatic08]

I honestly wouldn't be doing either.

We clearly aren't going to get fair value in this market for #2.

We have 2 x F3 and a F2. That's enough ammunition to move into the top 30 on draft night imo.


IMO, we shouldn't be targeting the top 17 (unless they REALLY rate Shanahan or someone).

I really would be targeting the second band of talls like Sims and Gerryn who I really do think might end up as good as some of the more fancied ones (Particularly Sims). If Trainor slips into the mid to late 20's, another who I'd be trading up to get.

Someone will absolutely jump and bank our F2 in that 25-30 range imo if they have the bulk of their board off the table imo.

In terms of Twomey's comments.

I can't see a scenario in which Lalor drops to 6.

It would mean:

1. Richmond takes FOS #1.
2. North take one of Draper or Tauru instead of him or North receives an offer worthy of splitting their pick 2 and that other club doesn't take him.
3. Carlton, Adelaide and Melbourne all take Smith, Tauru/Draper, and then Langford probably has to go ahead of him.

Pretty much all those dominio's have to fall for that to occur.


He's probably the next most versatile player outside of FOS and I can see why we'd be putting more time into him. He's a FAR better option for that big bodied mid than some of this board want over Smillie imo. Particularly with our list makeup where he will need to play significant minutes on the ground, not in the center square.

That’s fair. I’d just prefer to hold onto our F1, as I think it’s likely going to be a top 5 pick. 2026 is likely the time when we are going to really push up the ladder, so I think next year would be the best time to pull the trigger with futures.

If we chose to use 2 and use other future assets (F2) to get back into that 25-40 range then I’ll be happy with that. Will be plenty of decent options still available at that stage.

 

[KangaRooster]

I'll be happiest if we just take our most highly rated player at #2.. just back Lalor or FOS to hit their potential because both of them look like premiership Shinboners to my eye if they do. (I think we get a lot of Draper from Wardlaw - although a double act wouldn't disappoint me if that's what the club likes).

We've brought in legitimate stabilizers for each line in Darling, Daniel and Parker - lets see what the system looks like when its running properly before we decide we definitely do/don't need any particular position being addressed.

We won't be screaming for a small forward if Konstanty starts looking the goods, or a mobile tall if Maley can reproduce his VFL form at AFL level - even a glimpse or two and we'll probably back him to improve the following year.

I want Sheez and Kerch and Wardlaw looking around the club thinking "we are going to be permanently ******* unstoppable in a year or two, whats the longest contract you offer here?"

 

[chubbspeterson]

It’s not easy to see on TV, but I’ve seen the boys up close and I think Matt has the sort of frame that will put on bulk a bit quicker than Jack (he is longer and leaner).

Matt is also the better ground level player. Also think he is a better kick (not that Jack is bad).

Jack is more natural in front of goal, has the extra few cm of height and is probably more of a contested marking threat at this stage.

Yep. That's what I saw with Matt early on. Slightly better ball user and at ground level.
Would be more than happy with either if we don't go Shanahan or my fav GMan.

 

[chubbspeterson]

I don't see why we would not want to bid on Ashcroft at 2 if we keep it? Unless there's a swap of futures or something, I don't really get it.

 

[JGreezy]

I reckon that if the right player slips to pick 10 then we will be trading our F1 for them and Richmond could have two high picks next year.

Whether that's the smart move is a different question.

Or maybe 10 & 24 for our F1.

 

[sacrilecious]

From these reports 2 and F1 for 6, 10/11 and one of Tigers later firsts seems pretty realistic.
I’d be happy with that if it’s nets us a mix of three of Tauru, Langford, Armstrong, Shanahan, Berry, Whitlock x2 and Trainor.

I'd take 6 and 18 from Richmond for 2 and 15 and 16 from gws for future 1st. Obviously prefer either 10/11 over 18 if possible! But 6, 15, 16 and 18 would hopefully get us Langford, Shanahan, Trainor and Berry. At least 3 if not all 4 of those could help us on field as early as next year. Let's start bloody winning and offset what ends up likely being a downgrade from an early pick next year to start attracting free agents and trade prospects to fill the rest of the list holes.

 

[shintemaster]

I don't see why we would not want to bid on Ashcroft at 2 if we keep it? Unless there's a swap of futures or something, I don't really get it.

Based on what we know, the only reason I wouldn't bid on Ashcroft at 2 is if Richmond don't at 1. Brisbane don't need any more help.

 

[justroyal]

I'll be happiest if we just take our most highly rated player at #2.. just back Lalor or FOS to hit their potential because both of them look like premiership Shinboners to my eye if they do. (I think we get a lot of Draper from Wardlaw - although a double act wouldn't disappoint me if that's what the club likes).

We've brought in legitimate stabilizers for each line in Darling, Daniel and Parker - lets see what the system looks like when its running properly before we decide we definitely do/don't need any particular position being addressed.

We won't be screaming for a small forward if Konstanty starts looking the goods, or a mobile tall if Maley can reproduce his VFL form at AFL level - even a glimpse or two and we'll probably back him to improve the following year.

I want Sheez and Kerch and Wardlaw looking around the club thinking "we are going to be permanently ******* unstoppable in a year or two, whats the longest contract you offer here?"

Spot on. It’s great how sensibility starts coming out closer to draft date rather than us trading out for picks 11 and 16, after being pushed by the media and then supporters

 

[perplexed]

I'd take 6 and 18 from Richmond for 2 and 15 and 16 from gws for future 1st. Obviously prefer either 10/11 over 18 if possible! But 6, 15, 16 and 18 would hopefully get us Langford, Shanahan, Trainor and Berry. At least 3 if not all 4 of those could help us on field as early as next year. Let's start bloody winning and offset what ends up likely being a downgrade from an early pick next year to start attracting free agents and trade prospects to fill the rest of the list holes.

IF Richmond dont pick Lalor...

We pick Lalor at 2. Trade F1 to GWS for 16 and 21. Xavier Lindsay and James Barrat could be options there.

Be bold. We still need a few quality mids.

Where has this idea that GWS want to trade out of this draft come from?

Here are the current list numbers for next year.

AFL Club Lists for 2025 - Draftguru

www.draftguru.com.au

GWS have eight list spots free (including two rookie spots). They don't normally max out their list, but if they move their picks it is far more likely to be up the order than into next year.

And for those others keen to trade out of next years first round at a discount price. Here is a list of our out of contract players for next year. Even the most optimistic would think quite a few are going to need to be replaced.

LDU, Goater, Corr, Tucker, Ford, Bergman, Phillips, CCJ + Rookies - K Dawson, Teakle, Pink, Maley, RHJ, Payne

 

[King Corey]

I reckon that if the right player slips to pick 10 then we will be trading our F1 for them and Richmond could have two high picks next year.

Whether that's the smart move is a different question.

Or maybe 10 & 24 for our F1.

Certainly hope not.

I hope the club considers the ship has sailed on another top 20 pick.

Use #2 and only use F2+ as collateral to get back into 2024.

Needs schmeeds. Take the elite kid this year and if we're top 5 next year, do it again.

Balance the list with R2+ picks or trades, not by giving up access to top shelf talent.

 

[LB2Snake]

Would you guys do StK 7 & 8 for NM 2 & F1?

We'd probably do 7 for F1.....maybe 8 for F1 after you've used 7 and we like who's there

 

[LB2Snake]

You'd probably be able to draft 7. Tauru & 8. Armstrong though!

This is the key though

 

[giantroo]

 

[ChopChopDigDig]

I'll be happiest if we just take our most highly rated player at #2.. just back Lalor or FOS to hit their potential because both of them look like premiership Shinboners to my eye if they do. (I think we get a lot of Draper from Wardlaw - although a double act wouldn't disappoint me if that's what the club likes).

We've brought in legitimate stabilizers for each line in Darling, Daniel and Parker - lets see what the system looks like when its running properly before we decide we definitely do/don't need any particular position being addressed.

We won't be screaming for a small forward if Konstanty starts looking the goods, or a mobile tall if Maley can reproduce his VFL form at AFL level - even a glimpse or two and we'll probably back him to improve the following year.

I want Sheez and Kerch and Wardlaw looking around the club thinking "we are going to be permanently ******* unstoppable in a year or two, whats the longest contract you offer here?"

I agree with keeping pick #2, but we must pick up a KPF this year in addition. We need to develop him over the next three years while Darling is here and our mids get to the 60-90 game mark. We can't bank on Maley being the monster forward we desperately need, and we've been shooting ourselves in the foot for 3 years now not picking and developing key forwards.

 

[chubbspeterson]

Where has this idea that GWS want to trade out of this draft come from?

Here are the current list numbers for next year.

AFL Club Lists for 2025 - Draftguru

www.draftguru.com.au

GWS have eight list spots free (including two rookie spots). They don't normally max out their list, but if they move their picks it is far more likely to be up the order than into next year.

And for those others keen to trade out of next years first round at a discount price. Here is a list of our out of contract players for next year. Even the most optimistic would think quite a few are going to need to be replaced.

LDU, Goater, Corr, Tucker, Ford, Bergman, Phillips, CCJ + Rookies - K Dawson, Teakle, Pink, Maley, RHJ, Payne

We'll they've got some academy players this year like Logan Smith and 3 or 4 next year as well.
So yes they likely try move up the order but pick 21 could get a late F1, so don't think you can say they won't trade out.
We don't know what they're thinking. Also read they might add some experienced players in the preseason.

As for that list of our players next year. I don't think we'll be making as many changes as you think. I think some are obvious ones but some will get a bit more development time or will stay on longer than people think as depth.

 

[JGreezy]

Certainly hope not.

I hope the club considers the ship has sailed on another top 20 pick.

Use #2 and only use F2+ as collateral to get back into 2024.

Needs schmeeds. Take the elite kid this year and if we're top 5 next year, do it again.

Balance the list with R2+ picks or trades, not by giving up access to top shelf talent.

I don't necessarily disagree with you, because I think that this draft is being overhyped.

But if they think that a player that they can get at pick 10 is as valuable as a top 5 pick in next year's draft then it isn't a bad trade. Rankings schmankings.

Take picks 8 to 13 in 2019 (Serong, Henry, Green, Flanders, Kosi, Day). We would have been better off trading our F1 for a pick in that range. Better players and 12 months ahead.

If they assess similar strength and depth in this draft, and weakness in next year's, then they should back themselves and go for it.

 

[Rooboy53]

This is such a good idea to only allow 18 year olds to be taken in the first round. I'd say they would need to tighten up a few loopholes, like academy and father-son bid matching having to include a first round pick, and tier 2 free-agency compensation to be changed to start of second round rather than end of first round so that the first round doesn't blow out to 25 picks or more. It i also a softer landing for the clubs at the bottom of the ladder in the draft that this begins. A sudden switch to minimum 19 or 20 years old for the entire draft would mean that the first season it came in would be a dud draft class filled with rejects from the previous year (or two). At least if the first round is still 18 year olds, the bottom teams get elite talent.

I think its a shit idea with the assumption he used that Daicos Reid & Ashcroft are the exception. With no knowledge of the pressure they feel to perform at an outstanding level so young.

Exception to what? Mental health based on the fact they elevated to the standard straight away. That means nothing about mental health does not address it at all. So did J*F, he was at the standard but got bullied had mental health issues based more on a decision made by himself or with pressure on his behalf....Who was looking out for him when they were arranging for him to leave after 3 months?

Plenty of players not taken in the first round but drafted would not suffer from mental health.....I would argue the players who had there hopes crushed by not getting selected would be the highest candiate's, but you cant fix that.

Raising the age to 20 wont make a difference other than creating more anxiety once out of the major pathway...

If l was a parent l would request to just get rid of social media that will solve a lot of issues for a lot of players....

Rant over.....not an attack on how you see it CCS i just dont see a solution in the article. I dont think there is a solution to how someone feels based on the need to be really good at what you do to maintain your job. That is something most of us have to put up with to keep our jobs.

 

[giantroo]