Preview 2024 National Draft Preview Thread Part Deux

[The Nostradamus]

I'll be happiest if we just take our most highly rated player at #2.. just back Lalor or FOS to hit their potential because both of them look like premiership Shinboners to my eye if they do. (I think we get a lot of Draper from Wardlaw - although a double act wouldn't disappoint me if that's what the club likes).

We've brought in legitimate stabilizers for each line in Darling, Daniel and Parker - lets see what the system looks like when its running properly before we decide we definitely do/don't need any particular position being addressed.

We won't be screaming for a small forward if Konstanty starts looking the goods, or a mobile tall if Maley can reproduce his VFL form at AFL level - even a glimpse or two and we'll probably back him to improve the following year.

I want Sheez and Kerch and Wardlaw looking around the club thinking "we are going to be permanently ******* unstoppable in a year or two, whats the longest contract you offer here?"

agree keep pick 2 for FOS/Lalor

and then trade our f2 into this draft and get Gerreyn or Faull

 

[The Nostradamus]

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Interesting they much rather Lalor than holding and taking the local talent

 

[shintemaster]

Awkward if ya got an invite and didn't even get picked over both nights...

 

[chubbspeterson]

Certainly hope not.

I hope the club considers the ship has sailed on another top 20 pick.

Use #2 and only use F2+ as collateral to get back into 2024.

Needs schmeeds. Take the elite kid this year and if we're top 5 next year, do it again.

Balance the list with R2+ picks or trades, not by giving up access to top shelf talent.

I'd prefer you scenario but it really depends what player or players you are getting with the F1.
If we take a mid at 2, I doubt we'd take a pure mid next year. Think we'd be taking Ludo or Duursma.
So if they judge Tauru/Trainor/Shanahan/Armstrong/Faull/Whitlocks etc. are better prospects, then I could see why they would be keen to get them in 12 months earlier.
Theoretically if you got Trainor/Tauru/Travaglia and one of Faull/Shanahan/Whitlock or something I don't think you'd be too upset about missing out on that top 5 kid next year. But I guess it depends on the players we get if we do it.

 

[Newbie Real Talk]

agree keep pick 2 for FOS/Lalor

and then trade our f2 into this draft and get Gerreyn or Faull

This is the way. Could even add Sims to that.
Could even add F3 to get the deal over the line.

 

[chubbspeterson]

Interesting they much rather Lalor than holding and taking the local talent

Twomey said most of the top 6 teams had gone back for interviews with Lalor.

 

[BrownPaperBag]

I agree with keeping pick #2, but we must pick up a KPF this year in addition. We need to develop him over the next three years while Darling is here and our mids get to the 60-90 game mark. We can't bank on Maley being the monster forward we desperately need, and we've been shooting ourselves in the foot for 3 years now not picking and developing key forwards.

I don’t know about must. Keep in mind depending on how Dawson develops I still think we end up playing comben fwd , I think it’s a high priority to get another kpf but if that means we need to take unders in a trade for two or f1 to do it then we should wait. You can’t pass up elite talent for a potentially very good player if he’s a fwd. that said I still believe we have some spots in the mids that are certainly there for an elite prospect

 

[perplexed]

We'll they've got some academy players this year like Logan Smith and 3 or 4 next year as well.
So yes they likely try move up the order but pick 21 could get a late F1, so don't think you can say they won't trade out.
We don't know what they're thinking. Also read they might add some experienced players in the preseason.

GWS could possibly trade out one of their first rounders, but as there will be so many teams after it, it will be expensive. They certainly won't be doing a two for one deal as some on here seem to think.

As for that list of our players next year. I don't think we'll be making as many changes as you think. I think some are obvious ones but some will get a bit more development time or will stay on longer than people think as depth.

You are too nice. But if we get our list numbers cut back, you could be right, and we don't need to replace so many. Most of the obvious ones are rookies.

 

[kool kangas]

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What do they possibly have that would get us to hand over our pick#2? No doubt #4 would be on the table but the wells dry after that..

 

[BrownPaperBag]

What do they possibly have that would get us to hand over our pick#2? No doubt #4 would be on the table but the wells dry after that..

Would have to be f1 although that probably makes it a bit too much for them. I don’t think F2 is much, considering we want to get back this yr. If we could get their f1 we may be able to swing a deal with that

I must disclose I always think of mid to late F2s as fools gold

 

[perplexed]

What do they possibly have that would get us to hand over our pick#2? No doubt #4 would be on the table but the wells dry after that..

Yeah, doesn't makes much sense.

Either

4, F1 > 2, F2, F3 - which they would be crazy to do, or

4, F3, F3, F3 > 2 - which isn't really worth it from our point of view.

 

[BrownPaperBag]

Yeah, doesn't makes much sense.

Either

4, F1 > 2, F2, F3 - which they would be crazy to do, or

4, F3, F3, F3 > 2 - which isn't really worth it from our point of view.

Yeah a collection of little ones don’t make up a big one.

Can you three way trade draft picks?

 

[KangaRooster]

I agree with keeping pick #2, but we must pick up a KPF this year in addition. We need to develop him over the next three years while Darling is here and our mids get to the 60-90 game mark. We can't bank on Maley being the monster forward we desperately need, and we've been shooting ourselves in the foot for 3 years now not picking and developing key forwards.

agree keep pick 2 for FOS/Lalor

and then trade our f2 into this draft and get Gerreyn or Faull

Agree with you both.

The Nostradamus I’d be willing to package a future 2nd and 3rd to make sure it’s for the guy we want the most.

 

[ChopChopDigDig]

I don’t know about must. Keep in mind depending on how Dawson develops I still think we end up playing comben fwd , I think it’s a high priority to get another kpf but if that means we need to take unders in a trade for two or f1 to do it then we should wait. You can’t pass up elite talent for a potentially very good player if he’s a fwd. that said I still believe we have some spots in the mids that are certainly there for an elite prospect

We can’t keep crossing our fingers and hoping some tall player turns into a 60 goal player. Chom has huge upside but has played less than 30 games in five years. Dawson is a key back who’s still only 18. We need a player who’s played his entire juniors in the forward line, and is developed as only a KPF. I truely feel this is existential for us, we will not be a finals threat in 2-3 years time without a KPF 21 year old kicking 40 per year building to 60-70 in 5 years time.

 

[GS WARRIORS]

Certainly hope not.

I hope the club considers the ship has sailed on another top 20 pick.

Use #2 and only use F2+ as collateral to get back into 2024.

Needs schmeeds. Take the elite kid this year and if we're top 5 next year, do it again.

Balance the list with R2+ picks or trades, not by giving up access to top shelf talent.

Perfectly said

 

[BrownPaperBag]

Would have to be f1 although that probably makes it a bit too much for them. I don’t think F2 is much, considering we want to get back this yr. If we could get their f1 we may be able to swing a deal with that

We can’t keep crossing our fingers and hoping some tall player turns into a 60 goal player. Chom has huge upside but has played less than 30 games in five years. Dawson is a key back who’s still only 18. We need a player who’s played his entire juniors in the forward line, and is developed as only a KPF. I truely feel this is existential for us, we will not be a finals threat in 2-3 years time without a KPF 21 year old kicking 40 per year building to 60-70 in 5 years time.

I agree it should be a priority, I’m not denying that. I’m just saying we can’t afford to take unders to land him.

As I said I still think comben will end up the second fwd from what I understand he’s been predominantly a fwd in juniors. With Logue back to fitness we don’t have the same need to play him back.

we have backed ourselves in a corner a bit by having only pick 2 as our prime picks but I don’t think a trade to downgrade that doesn’t give us anything of value in addition to the downgrade is a great strategy.


Even would be wary of trading f1 for anything less than a top 10 pick. Because you are diluting the potential of a pick at the pointy end.

All that said I do agree we should get a kpf of some description but I don’t think we should sell the farm for it

 

[perplexed]

Yeah a collection of little ones don’t make up a big one.

Can you three way trade draft picks?

You can. But they would still have to downgrade their f1, as it is the only pick they can trade of value. Can't see it working.

 

[BrownPaperBag]

You can. But they would still have to downgrade their f1, as it is the only pick they can trade of value. Can't see it working.

Maybe 2 and F2 or F3 for 4 and F1 maaaaaybe.

Then we either use our f1, theirs or both to get something

But there’s not much room there

 

[chubbspeterson]

GWS could possibly trade out one of their first rounders, but as there will be so many teams after it, it will be expensive. They certainly won't be doing a two for one deal as some on here seem to think.

You are too nice. But if we get our list numbers cut back, you could be right, and we don't need to replace so many. Most of the obvious ones are rookies.

The priority for the Giants will be getting their guys, whatever moves they make will be around that.
If they can slide up or back and still get those guys, they'll do it. They also might just hold what they've got.
But with multiple picks inside 25 you would expect them to be looking at every option. We'll see what happens.

That's part of it, the rookie numbers might get scaled back and we'll have 20 odd players under 25 years.
You still need some depth capable of playing AFL, so while most of the older players like Corr, Tucker, Pink, CCJ, Kal Dawson and Teakle would come under scrutiny, you would need to replace them with players in that 23-30 age group.
Then it's 50/50 calls on RHJ, Goater, Bergman, Phillips and Ford. Maley and Payne get more development time imo.
I think there's probably 8-10 changes similar to this year. I don't think it'll be another deep cut as the kids we drafted the last few years need some more time to build their bodies and fitness up to AFL level.

 

[Kanga Glory]

I reckon draft night we are going to need the phone battery charger, the phone will be running hot

 

[kool kangas]

You can. But they would still have to downgrade their f1, as it is the only pick they can trade of value. Can't see it working.

Plus Adelaide will want to get Sharp next season if he's as good as they say he is..

 

[perplexed]

Maybe 2 and F2 or F3 for 4 and F1 maaaaaybe.

Then we either use our f1, theirs or both to get something

But there’s not much room there

I just can't see them trading out their F1 to move up two spots and possibly get the same player. If we did that, this board would go into meltdown.

 

[chubbspeterson]

I reckon draft night we are going to need the phone battery charger, the phone will be running hot

 

[chubbspeterson]

I just can't see them trading out their F1 to move up two spots and possibly get the same player. If we did that, this board would go into meltdown.

Agree. More likely they try and get a F2 with their three F3's I think they have.

 

[chubbspeterson]

One week to go. Exciting times.