Preview 2024 National Draft Preview Thread

[Sphynx]

What school footy was it? Is he at an APS school?

Geelong Grammar.

Kicked 7 against Wesley in his first game back.

 

[LB2Snake]

Geelong Grammer

Oh righto. Fair standard of footy then. I like the look of Lalor a lot. Scary proposition if he ends up in a north jumper.

 

[roos_fanatic08]

Yes all true bit I did laugh when reading some negative words on Smillie and then seeing the poster having him go at pick 2 .

Like a few I doubt we get pick 1 now anyways

For all the negative I’ve posted about him I still think he is an absolute gun.

However, he isn’t the big bodied contested beast like he is portrayed as by some media pundits. That isn’t to say he won’t develop that part of his game, I’m just being realistic as to where his game is at.

 

[The acurate one]

For all the negative I’ve posted about him I still think he is an absolute gun.

However, he isn’t the big bodied contested beast like he is portrayed as by some media pundits. That isn’t to say he won’t develop that part of his game, I’m just being realistic as to where his game is at.

I don't disagree with you, I think anyone who has spent years having size over their opponents has been given a massive advantage that is gone once you become an AFL player.

Is why I like the Duurma/McKercker types.

 

[Sphynx]

Oh righto. Fair standard of footy then. I like the look of Lalor a lot. Scary proposition if he ends up in a north jumper.

Yes, Wardlaw, Xerri and Lalor in the one center bounce setup could quite possibly kill someone someday.

 

[JGreezy]

Part of me wants to use our first pick to move back and get a couple of players who fill needs (or who will fill needs in 2-3 years).

But another part thinks that we could add another elite mid talent and just stack the **** out of this midfield.

Set a standard that if you want to crack into the mid rotation then you better be A grade.

You risk losing the guys who can't crack in, or who can't play multiple roles like Duursma can, but maybe you also build the best midfield in the comp.

I think great footballers can play anywhere on the ground. You could play Sheezel or Wardlaw on any line. They'll figure it out.

We can add another KPF another way. We can draft another small forward. Maybe Hansen will even keep trending up, or Payne will figure it out.

 

[chubbspeterson]

Part of me wants to use our first pick to move back and get a couple of players who fill needs (or who will fill needs in 2-3 years).

But another part thinks that we could add another elite mid talent and just stack the **** out of this midfield.

Set a standard that if you want to crack into the mid rotation then you better be A grade.

You risk losing the guys who can't crack in, or who can't play multiple roles like Duursma can, but maybe you also build the best midfield in the comp.

I think great footballers can play anywhere on the ground. You could play Sheezel or Wardlaw on any line. They'll figure it out.

We can add another KPF another way. We can draft another small forward. Maybe Hansen will even keep trending up, or Payne will figure it out.

I think once the Zurhaar situation and trade week is over we'll get a better idea where we're at.
I think what pick we have and how the recruiters see the draft will be key.
Do they just replace the class of TT with a top 3 kid or do they see the opportunity to get 2-3 kids like a Roughead/Franklin type draft out of a bunch of key position, medium/tall defenders, small forwards or taller hard running wing/mids.
I'm sure we won't be the only team debating that. West Coast might be keen on Bo Allan.
I think it's going to be very interesting to see what happens in trade week that's for sure.

 

[R00StaR]

I watched Lalor play a school game earlier in the season. He played mid first half then full forward second half and finished with 7 goals. Reminded me completely of Dusty the way he played especially up forward.

Nice to hear being likened to Dusty/ Do Goey. Not suggesting anyone is saying he'll be as good, just that type.

Which i think would suit North perfectly if we cant put FOS on a wing for a decade. The Dusty/ Do Goey types are high impact mid/ forwards who can rip games apart. Neither need to play full time mid to impact, which probably suits given we have more mids less suited to other roles.

Of course there still Smillie in the mix. Its going to be very interesting watching these kids the rest of the season and figuring which best suits us provided theres not much between them. If Lalor can push himself into that top band id be inclined to take him (if FOS is taken) as his weaponry would appear to suit us best imo.

 

[Makeshift Park]

One of the leading key forward prospects in this years draft pool Jobe Shanahan kicked a bag of 5 goals for his Pioneers team as they came up just short against the Stingrays by the slimmest of margins.

Weird question, but how would you rate Shanahan vs Trainor as tall draft prospects?

Obviously Trainor could come to a North culture that he's grow up in, and recognises better than most the scale of the challenge before us.

Then you've got Shanahan, who shows signs of being lively at the opposite end of the ground, and might be less dependable as a pure draft prospect, but who actually plays in a position we need to progress as a list.

 

[Tas]

Finn O'Sullivan can definitely play there, but is more suited to playing as a center square midfielder in my opinion.

I don't think there are any out and out hard running wingers (in that Darcy Wilson mould), that will feature in the top 20. Taj Hotton could definitely play the role at AFL level as could Xavier Lindsay.

Some later prospects that specifically play wing include Pat Retschko, Lucas McInerney, Jack Ough and a couple of overagers like Ben Hopkins or Liam Kershaw.

I am in Clarkson mode...



"They can play... Can they play at the highest level on the last Saturday in September and be part of a team that holds the silverware at the end of the day? That is what we are searching for."

I think it is a hole we have left in the side that needs to be filled if we are going to get there in the end, if we can't fill the hole via the draft we need to snipe someone via trade or free agency that can.

I think when we had holes in our side all over the place just getting the best talent was the best strategy, this could be our last crack at a top end talent. I think if we play with this kind of intensity and pressure going forward we will start the climb up the ladder next year, how far is anyone's guess but our last two weeks has been top 8 football for 3 quarters or so. We still need to refine and improve, but what is holding us back now are very specific list shortfalls, contributed heavily by Thomas being a dickhead but we are missing his class going inside the forward 50. We also are badly in need for a second quality tall, Pink and co who are there atm are a long way off giving us tall options like Carlton or other teams have in the past.

 

[The Talent Scout]

Interested to know who you'd liken Lalor to.

Somebody mentioned De Goey, which grabbed my attention. Just on Lalor's highlights that where posted, it seemed like he might have a monster boot on him. I was a bit surprised how far many kicks went given the perceived effort. Then maybe it was a mic on super sensitive but the flush sound of those kicks also got my attention.

I can see why De Goey would be the guy he's likened to but for me its Matt Rowell and even a bit of Brad Crouch. The way Matt tackles, looks to hunt the ball , the anticipation just after the rucks have gone up against each other and when he gets the ball its goodnight nurse, he's away. Why I mention Brad Crouch is that early in his career at West Adelaide he would spend a lot of the time on the forward line, having the pace and smarts to be too clever for the opposition.

Also if the opposition were mounting a challenge in the last quarter we would throw him into the middle and let him "loose", like Lalor, dangerous near goal and a weapon in the middle, now you combine that with Matt Rowell's tackling and midfield play and you have some sort of player at your disposal!

The comparison to Dusty on the forward line is an interesting observation by EDFL follower, but a correct one, he has the class and knowhow to do this and deliver, not many midfielders that would get thrown back to full forward would kick a bag and I know its school footy but its a unique position full forward in any league and you have to know how to play that position, Sam does.

 

[The Talent Scout]

Yes, Wardlaw, Xerri and Lalor in the one center bounce setup could quite possibly kill someone someday.

Thank you Sphynx, I was drinking a can of coke when I read this and it went everywhere, ha ha ha ha, never a truer word written!

 

[The Talent Scout]

I think once the Zurhaar situation and trade week is over we'll get a better idea where we're at.
I think what pick we have and how the recruiters see the draft will be key.
Do they just replace the class of TT with a top 3 kid or do they see the opportunity to get 2-3 kids like a Roughead/Franklin type draft out of a bunch of key position, medium/tall defenders, small forwards or taller hard running wing/mids.
I'm sure we won't be the only team debating that. West Coast might be keen on Bo Allan.
I think it's going to be very interesting to see what happens in trade week that's for sure.

Like our situation, depends where the Eagles finish and what pick they have. As of now they have pick 3 but the only thing we know is that they will have pick 1/2/3/4/5/, the same as Richmond, who finishes where is going to be a big watch in the last half of the year. Did read on the Eagles board that one of the guys/girls said that Tobie Travaglia has toured their facilities which if true is an interesting thing to do by West Coast this far out from the draft. The same goes for Richmond, they supposedly like Finn and Sid but also like Jonty Faull as a key forward. I have a feeling West Coast are going to launch a missile on Sid Draper!

 

[R00StaR]

I can see why De Goey would be the guy he's likened to but for me its Matt Rowell and even a bit of Brad Crouch. The way Matt tackles, looks to hunt the ball , the anticipation just after the rucks have gone up against each other and when he gets the ball its goodnight nurse, he's away. Why I mention Brad Crouch is that early in his career at West Adelaide he would spend a lot of the time on the forward line, having the pace and smarts to be too clever for the opposition.

Also if the opposition were mounting a challenge in the last quarter we would throw him into the middle and let him "loose", like Lalor, dangerous near goal and a weapon in the middle, now you combine that with Matt Rowell's tackling and midfield play and you have some sort of player at your disposal!

The comparison to Dusty on the forward line is an interesting observation by EDFL follower, but a correct one, he has the class and knowhow to do this and deliver, not many midfielders that would get thrown back to full forward would kick a bag and I know its school footy but its a unique position full forward in any league and you have to know how to play that position, Sam does.

Thanks for that very interesting take. The sort of mids that can play FF are fairly rare, we're talking Dusty, De Goey, Danger, JHF, Reid types. What do you make of his disposal? I linked a video starting at one crazy handball i saw, and i get the feeling he's a huge kick. At least it looks like he's hitting fairly flat 50m passes with ease.

 

[The Talent Scout]

I am in Clarkson mode...



"They can play... Can they play at the highest level on the last Saturday in September and be part of a team that holds the silverware at the end of the day? That is what we are searching for."

I think it is a hole we have left in the side that needs to be filled if we are going to get there in the end, if we can't fill the hole via the draft we need to snipe someone via trade or free agency that can.

I think when we had holes in our side all over the place just getting the best talent was the best strategy, this could be our last crack at a top end talent. I think if we play with this kind of intensity and pressure going forward we will start the climb up the ladder next year, how far is anyone's guess but our last two weeks has been top 8 football for 3 quarters or so. We still need to refine and improve, but what is holding us back now are very specific list shortfalls, contributed heavily by Thomas being a dickhead but we are missing his class going inside the forward 50. We also are badly in need for a second quality tall, Pink and co who are there atm are a long way off giving us tall options like Carlton or other teams have in the past.

Listening to that I almost went looking for my football boots, now imagine being one of those young men, its starting to happen, there will be ebbs and flows but these boys are running through brick walls for Alastair at the moment, you can see it, a bit more experience and confidence and getting that big win/ scalp will make even the harshest critics a believer!

 

[The Talent Scout]

Thanks for that very interesting take. The sort of mids that can play FF are fairly rare, we're talking Dusty, De Goey, Danger, JHF, Reid types. What do you make of his disposal? I linked a video starting at one crazy handball i saw, and i get the feeling he's a huge kick. At least it looks like he's hitting fairly flat 50m passes with ease.

Very good, yes he's a huge kick but can pass it on a dime, so his disposal isn't a problem in fact there isn't a lot I can say against Sam, if he stays injury free I think Sam can burst into the top 10 from some peoples boards but for me he's already there.

 

[R00StaR]

Very good, yes he's a huge kick but can pass it on a dime, so his disposal isn't a problem in fact there isn't a lot I can say against Sam, if he stays injury free I think Sam can burst into the top 10 from some peoples boards but for me he's already there.

Thanks again, well he'd need to get to the pointy end to be in our calculations in that case. He'll still be an interesting watch to see how far he can go.

 

[chubbspeterson]

Like our situation, depends where the Eagles finish and what pick they have. As of now they have pick 3 but the only thing we know is that they will have pick 1/2/3/4/5/, the same as Richmond, who finishes where is going to be a big watch in the last half of the year. Did read on the Eagles board that one of the guys/girls said that Tobie Travaglia has toured their facilities which if true is an interesting thing to do by West Coast this far out from the draft. The same goes for Richmond, they supposedly like Finn and Sid but also like Jonty Faull as a key forward. I have a feeling West Coast are going to launch a missile on Sid Draper!

Wow. I really like Toby so that's interesting to see he may have toured WCE facilities and interesting to hear they like Sid.
I did just hear Ralphy saying the Dogs are after Barass so perhaps Eagles are considering Toby as a younger replacement with the pick they get perhaps in a trade if Bailey Smith goes elsewhere.

I could see the Crows trading up with someone to land Sid if there is interest. Could also be a ploy so they bite.

Hmm that's interesting with Finn and Sid for Tigers. Perhaps they have the big-bodied clearance mids already with Taranto and Hopper so they're looking for a bit more run and class.

I'm looking forward to seeing Faull for VC. He impressed me in the NAB futures game last year but is he more of a 3rd tall?

 

[Merlin007]

Wow. I really like Toby so that's interesting to see he may have toured WCE facilities and interesting to hear they like Sid.
I did just hear Ralphy saying the Dogs are after Barass so perhaps Eagles are considering Toby as a younger replacement with the pick they get perhaps in a trade if Bailey Smith goes elsewhere.

I could see the Crows trading up with someone to land Sid if there is interest. Could also be a ploy so they bite.

Hmm that's interesting with Finn and Sid for Tigers. Perhaps they have the big-bodied clearance mids already with Taranto and Hopper so they're looking for a bit more run and class.

I'm looking forward to seeing Faull for VC. He impressed me in the NAB futures game last year but is he more of a 3rd tall?

Amazing the Dogs have recruited so many KPPs and they're still looking for a decent full back

 

[noobermensch]

In conditions more suited to his game than Metro's wet opener Sims was able to show what he's capable of in that modern forward/ruck role. He was a damaging marking threat all game taking several contested grabs, in particular when he was played deep forward where WA's key defenders struggled to deal with his size and strength. He could have had an even bigger day out if he'd been a little more accurate in front of goal.

 

[noobermensch]

Weird question, but how would you rate Shanahan vs Trainor as tall draft prospects?

Obviously Trainor could come to a North culture that he's grow up in, and recognises better than most the scale of the challenge before us.

Then you've got Shanahan, who shows signs of being lively at the opposite end of the ground, and might be less dependable as a pure draft prospect, but who actually plays in a position we need to progress as a list.

I haven't been a big Shanahan guy all season. I can see why people like him, he's a hell of a physical and athletic specimen, but for me I've seen too many tall prospects through the years that have been drafted on potential rather than production and I'm worried that Shanahan is in that same group. He's not as competitive as I'd like out there, seems to float around at times and doesnt often really attack a contest. Can also be a bit fumbly and not great when the ball is on the ground.

If Shanahan ends up as a star at AFL level it wouldnt shock me given the potential he shows, but I think there's Schache like risk as well.

Trainor is nothing like that. He has his own issues but he attacks the game and if anything is too proactive which can lead to him being a bit loose defensively. The Ridley comparisons make a lot of sense, I'd just love to see him in a few more 1v1 aerial contests to get a better grasp of that side of his game, but overall I have a lot more confidence in Trainor becoming at least a good AFL level player. Is he the type that North need? You guys would be better placed than me to answer that.

 

[Sphynx]

Like our situation, depends where the Eagles finish and what pick they have. As of now they have pick 3 but the only thing we know is that they will have pick 1/2/3/4/5/, the same as Richmond, who finishes where is going to be a big watch in the last half of the year. Did read on the Eagles board that one of the guys/girls said that Tobie Travaglia has toured their facilities which if true is an interesting thing to do by West Coast this far out from the draft. The same goes for Richmond, they supposedly like Finn and Sid but also like Jonty Faull as a key forward. I have a feeling West Coast are going to launch a missile on Sid Draper!

Collingwood like the Whitlock boys also.


I will say in regards to plenty of these rumours.


They need to have the currency to come to even have a seat at the table for a few or multuples of these players.


Collingwood's first pick is currently in the 40's.

They'd want to be shopping Bobby Hill back to WA or their F1 and Ed Allen to even be in these discussions.

 

[Sphynx]

Im smelling the early winds of a ****ed up draft again though.

AFL likely to relent on bringing in the bidding changes this year, which means bulk junk picks for the likes of Lombard and Ashcroft (surprise surprise) at the top of the order.

Same applies later in the first round with the Campo twins.


We have the Zurhaar, Battle, Stengle compensation results which could go a few ways with the new cap sapce and mess up the draft order, even the top 10.

We have early indications of some inflated trade values for the likes of Barrass, Daniel Rioli

17

Daniel Rioli

Age

27

Ht

179cm

Wt

78kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

11.2

3star

K

5.8

2star

HB

5.4

4star

M

2.7

3star

T

3.2

5star

MG

179.2

3star

D

8.1

2star

K

4.9

2star

HB

3.3

2star

M

2.0

2star

T

2.6

4star

MG

144.9

3star

D

9.0

3star

K

3.8

2star

HB

5.2

4star

M

0.8

1star

T

3.8

5star

MG

160.2

3star

, Liam Baker

7

Liam Baker

Age

26

Ht

173cm

Wt

72kg

Pos.

D/F

Career

Season

Last 5

D

15.7

4star

K

7.8

3star

HB

7.9

5star

M

3.2

3star

T

2.6

4star

MG

222.2

3star

D

14.6

4star

K

6.8

3star

HB

7.9

4star

M

3.8

4star

T

1.8

3star

MG

191.9

3star

D

14.4

4star

K

6.2

3star

HB

8.2

5star

M

1.6

2star

T

1.8

4star

MG

224.2

4star

are clubs willing to pay those values.

Then Bailey Smith

6

Bailey Smith

Age

23

Ht

185cm

Wt

86kg

Pos.

M/F

Career

Season

Last 5

D

18.3

5star

K

8.5

3star

HB

9.8

5star

M

2.3

2star

T

3.8

5star

CL

2.7

4star

D

19.8

5star

K

9.6

4star

HB

10.2

5star

M

1.8

2star

T

3.2

4star

CL

3.2

4star

D

14.8

4star

K

7.6

3star

HB

7.2

5star

M

2.0

3star

T

3.4

5star

CL

1.6

4star

and others.

 

[noobermensch]

Im smelling the early winds of a ****ed up draft again though.

AFL likely to relent on bringing in the bidding changes this year, which means bulk junk picks for the likes of Lombard and Ashcroft (surprise surprise) at the top of the order.

Same applies later in the first round with the Campo twins.


We have the Zurhaar, Battle, Stengle compensation results which could go a few ways with the new cap sapce and mess up the draft order, even the top 10.

We have early indications of some inflated trade values for the likes of Barrass, Daniel Rioli, Liam Baker.

You can see that in two ways though, yes it blows that these teams are getting access to elite talent at a massive discount, but it does force at least Bris and the Suns to trade their first round picks which creates opportunity.

I get your point about it being another messy one though with everything that's likely to happen.

 

[giantroo]

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