Preview 2024 National Draft Preview Thread

[Kangas_11]

That's a good deal in this draft.

It may be a contender for the most lopsided trade in the history of footy, it's that bad.

 

[Aristotle Pickett]

It may be a contender for the most lopsided trade in the history of footy, it's that bad.

6 and 18 will get it done if you want it.

 

[The Talent Scout]

I keep hearing a lot about Alix Tauru here, but how is he that differentiated to BGZ? Seems like another high-leaping medium forward? Is that what we really need?

Alix Tauru is a defender that has shown he can go forward and still do the same thing, at 193cm and still growing I don't know about being a medium anything, his potential and his combine results back up what recruiters have a very big tick for, he literally could be anything. As in midfielders {pace}, with lots of supporters its height when talking about key forwards, you've got to be 195cm or more, if your under that god help you.

Back to midfielders, look, if you have pace that's great, but if you don't its not a game breaker that lots of supporters think it is. The exact thing with key forwards, if you are 195 or more and are good that is a positive, if you are 200cm and are good then again its a positive, with midfielders and key forwards forget the pace and height thing and focus on the player, his ability and potentially what he is to become in the future.

Is that what we really need? A player who in my opinion marks like Nick Riewoldt, in general plays like James sicily and can do some of the things I've seen him do and just for kicks can go down to the forward line and do the same thing to opposition backmen.

I can see it now what shifter is going to say about him at draft time. "Here he is, I've been waiting for this boy, {gives a chuckle} his highlight reel is something else, watched this boy play, there's nothing he can't do, he can be a matchwinner this one and at 193cm and growing, he is going to be something else this boy, you just wat and see, a great pick up for whoever gets him"! Short answer, yes.

 

[Kangas_11]

6 and 18 will get it done if you want it.

Probably the closest to the mark, maybe with some later pick swaps thrown in as well.

 

[Aristotle Pickett]

Probably the closest to the mark, maybe with some later pick swaps thrown in as well.

We haven't got any later picks but have future picks.

 

[The Talent Scout]

6 and 18 will get it done if you want it.

The biggest question I'm hearing is you guys love Sam Lalor and Finn O'Sullivan, if you guys don't want pick 2 then you are not going to get your second player, with the picks you have that is downright silly, forget the picks and get the best elite talent that you can get and get both of them if they are indeed the two, I know Jagga is in the frame so I guess that is interesting.

Fans and supporters are sometimes not quite on the same page as what their club is and as a consequence their club does what some think illogical things when in fact they have a lot better view on things than people realise. There is of course the unexpected and unbelievable {West Coast trade}, every supporter would have laughed at you and put on the hard line stance saying its not going to happen, that's fantasy stuff, your dreaming.

Do I need to remind you of what happened and how so many of their supporters sent angry Emails and some even said they wouldn't renew their membership. Now I know there are some who only said this out of anger, but in reality clubs will do what's best for them and sometimes its not what the majority of supporters have in mind. Come draft night there are going to be some interesting moves from certain teams, so along with all the talented boys in this crazy good draft and you add that in, its going to be one for the ages!

 

[Junk yard]

Pravda Roo phantom, let me know what you think.

Pick	Team	Name	Height	Position	Club	Comments
1	Richmond	Will Ashcroft	179cm	Midfielder	Sandringham Dragons	Lions elect not to match in an even draft
2	North Melbourne	Jagga Smith	181cm	Midfielder	Oakleigh Chargers	Quick mid just what we need
3	Carlton	Luke Trainor	194cm	Key Defender	Sandringham Dragons	Blues traded up to get ahead of Saints and Collingwood to pair with Lewis Young
4	Adelaide	Joe Berry	180cm	Small Forward	Murray Bushrangers	Rachele replacement in the forward line, will electrify Crow fans for years
5	Melbourne	Finn O'Sullivan	182cm	Midfielder	Oakleigh Chargers	Gun mid
6	Richmond	Sid Draper	180cm	Midfielder	South Adelaide	A smoky who I think could go first round
7	St Kilda	Harry Armstrong	193cm	Key Forward	Sandringham Dragons	Best key forward
8	St Kilda	Sam Lalor	187cm	Midfielder/General Forward	GWV Rebels	Risky but a gun
9	Collingwood	Harvey Langford	190cm	Midfielder	Dandenong Stingrays	Hawks F/S eligible but elect to not match the bid
10	Richmond	Josh Smillie	194cm	Midfielder	Eastern Ranges
11	Richmond	Kayle Gerreyn	199cm	Key Forward/Ruck	West Perth	Richmond get revenge on West Coast for Baker
12	West Coast	Bo Allen	191cm	General Defender/Midfielder	Peel Thunder	Best WA player left
13	Port Adelaide	Jack Whitlock	200cm	Key Forward	Murray Bushrangers	A 'lock' to go to Port
14	Fremantle	Isaac Kako	175cm	Small Forward	Calder Cannons	Bolton replacement, Ess elects not to bid
15	GWS	Jonty Faull	195cm	Key Forward	GWV Rebels	Weird name which GWS loves
16	GWS	Tom Gross	181cm	Midfelder	Oakleigh Chargers	Timed out
17	Western Bulldogs	Alex Dodson	203cm	Ruck	Sturt	Bevo loves playing the talls
18	Richmond	Tom Sims	199cm	Key Forward	Northern Knights	Tom Lynch replacement
19	Sydney	Murphy Reid	180cm	Midfielder	Sandringham Dragons	Parker replacement
20	Richmond	Alix Tauru	191cm	General Defender	Gippsland Power	Not yet sold on him but I haven't seen any of his TAC Cup footage
21	GWS	Oliver Hannaford	180cm	Midfielder	GWV Falcons
22	Sydney	Taj Hotton	182cm	Midfielder/General Forward	Sandringham Dragons
23	Richmond	Tobie Travaglia	187cm	General Defender	Bendigo Pioneers
24	WC (match bid from Richmond)	Malakai Champion	172cm	Small Forward	Subiaco	Good Bolton replacement if Eagles don't match but in this scenario they do
25	GC (match bid from Richmond)	Leo Lombard	178cm	Midfielder	GC Academy	Suns awake to the tactic and trade in a future 1st to make it happen
26	Richmond	Xavier Lindsay	183cm	Midfielder	Gippsland Power	Sounds a solid type

Exactly how I have it! To the pick.

 

[pitchster]

This was the reported DVI model for next year

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Hahahah all these people saying 2 for 6 and 18 is unders we want 6 and 10/11 and then start talking about next years points index. This shows that 6 and 25 is where it will be at to break even, even though its irrelevant in these pick swap negotiations. Love it

 

[pitchster]

Lets be honest here. Picking another mid at pick 2 will not help this club as much as trading for 6 picking tauru or armstrong and pick lets say 11(it wont be 11) for a berry or pick 18( much more realistic, no matter how much you hate the fact) for a whitlock brother or hopefully shanahan. Anyone who thinks otherwise and has been screaming for 1000 pages if we pick another mid i will spew up should do everyone a favour and go take a nap for the rest of the year.

Too many in here think that we need to win these pick swaps, there are 2 clubs in these negotiations. This isnt a d*ck swinging contest. Both clubs will do the deal thats even for both parties. Sliding 4 picks back getting a player we want and then picking a player at 18 is a win for us its right in the hitting zone for all the needs our list requires.

 

[DuckYeah]

That's a good deal in this draft.

**** off campaigner.

 

[DuckYeah]

6 and 18 will get it done if you want it.

Don’t want it. 6/11 and its a deal. Thats fair.

 

[DuckYeah]

Alix Tauru is a defender that has shown he can go forward and still do the same thing, at 193cm and still growing I don't know about being a medium anything, his potential and his combine results back up what recruiters have a very big tick for, he literally could be anything. As in midfielders {pace}, with lots of supporters its height when talking about key forwards, you've got to be 195cm or more, if your under that god help you.

Back to midfielders, look, if you have pace that's great, but if you don't its not a game breaker that lots of supporters think it is. The exact thing with key forwards, if you are 195 or more and are good that is a positive, if you are 200cm and are good then again its a positive, with midfielders and key forwards forget the pace and height thing and focus on the player, his ability and potentially what he is to become in the future.

Is that what we really need? A player who in my opinion marks like Nick Riewoldt, in general plays like James sicily and can do some of the things I've seen him do and just for kicks can go down to the forward line and do the same thing to opposition backmen.

I can see it now what shifter is going to say about him at draft time. "Here he is, I've been waiting for this boy, {gives a chuckle} his highlight reel is something else, watched this boy play, there's nothing he can't do, he can be a matchwinner this one and at 193cm and growing, he is going to be something else this boy, you just wat and see, a great pick up for whoever gets him"! Short answer, yes.

Shifters voice was in my head reading that. Cheers for that.

 

[DuckYeah]

Lets be honest here. Picking another mid at pick 2 will not help this club as much as trading for 6 picking tauru or armstrong and pick lets say 11(it wont be 11) for a berry or pick 18( much more realistic, no matter how much you hate the fact) for a whitlock brother or hopefully shanahan. Anyone who thinks otherwise and has been screaming for 1000 pages if we pick another mid i will spew up should do everyone a favour and go take a nap for the rest of the year.

Too many in here think that we need to win these pick swaps, there are 2 clubs in these negotiations. This isnt a d*ck swinging contest. Both clubs will do the deal thats even for both parties. Sliding 4 picks back getting a player we want and then picking a player at 18 is a win for us its right in the hitting zone for all the needs our list requires.

Richmond will not take 6+ kids in the draft. They will want pick 1 and 2, they will have

Pick 1,6,10,11,18,20,23,24

Then they may bundle up a few of 18, 20, 23, 24 to get back in the top ten

If they can end up hypothetically with 1,2,8,10 take 4 of the top 10 with 2 of the best kids in the draft. Thats the best case scenario for em. And a ripping draft haul.

Dont for one moment think pick 2 for 6/11 is out of reach by any stretch

 

[Masked Avenger]

6 and 18 will get it done if you want it.

No thanks.

Here's your chance to secure an elite midfield pairing in Smith and FOS. Cotchin and Martin ring a bell? You could do it in one draft.

Neither will last to pick 6 - nor Draper or Lalor for that matter.

I suppose you could always try your luck with one of them to run with the likes of Taranto and Hopper.

You choose.

 

[Hojuman]

6 & 18 is 's for pick 2.

6 & 11.

 

[Souup]

6 & 18 is 's for pick 2.

6 & 11.

The reference point for what pick 2 is worth is the West Coast trade in 2022.

They basically got 8 + 12 for pick 2. The only thing that muddies the worth of pick 2 from that trade was that Willie Rioli was sent with pick 2 in the same trade with a future 2nd and 3rd included going West Coast's way (you could argue Willie Rioli = Future 2nd[or 3rd] and so the Future 3rd[or 2nd] was paired with 8 + 12 in exchange for 2)

Anyway, regardless of how you want to view it, that has to be the measuring stick here. 6 + 11 sounds about right.

I wouldn't be shocked if we threw in a Future 1st aiming for pick 10 to be thrown in, but I'm not sure Richmond do that as they'd want an influx of top-end talent in one draft and even though our future 1st probably ends up a top 3/4 pick, delaying your rebuild a year isn't going to be something most clubs want to do, even if it means a pick 7-8 spots higher the year after.

 

[Wels Eicke]

I was in favour of holding pick two. But having traded out the rest of our picks, think we have to try and split it now. Especially as I want us to pick Tauru and Berry. To do that will need 6 & 11. Doubt Berry lasts to 18.

This is why I don't usually watch draft highlights until we pick our players. Now I have favourites and am invested in them. It's going to end in disappointment on draft night I know.

 

[shinboner magic]

Pravda Roo phantom, let me know what you think.

Pick	Team	Name	Height	Position	Club	Comments
1	Richmond	Will Ashcroft	179cm	Midfielder	Sandringham Dragons	Lions elect not to match in an even draft
2	North Melbourne	Jagga Smith	181cm	Midfielder	Oakleigh Chargers	Quick mid just what we need
3	Carlton	Luke Trainor	194cm	Key Defender	Sandringham Dragons	Blues traded up to get ahead of Saints and Collingwood to pair with Lewis Young
4	Adelaide	Joe Berry	180cm	Small Forward	Murray Bushrangers	Rachele replacement in the forward line, will electrify Crow fans for years
5	Melbourne	Finn O'Sullivan	182cm	Midfielder	Oakleigh Chargers	Gun mid
6	Richmond	Sid Draper	180cm	Midfielder	South Adelaide	A smoky who I think could go first round
7	St Kilda	Harry Armstrong	193cm	Key Forward	Sandringham Dragons	Best key forward
8	St Kilda	Sam Lalor	187cm	Midfielder/General Forward	GWV Rebels	Risky but a gun
9	Collingwood	Harvey Langford	190cm	Midfielder	Dandenong Stingrays	Hawks F/S eligible but elect to not match the bid
10	Richmond	Josh Smillie	194cm	Midfielder	Eastern Ranges
11	Richmond	Kayle Gerreyn	199cm	Key Forward/Ruck	West Perth	Richmond get revenge on West Coast for Baker
12	West Coast	Bo Allen	191cm	General Defender/Midfielder	Peel Thunder	Best WA player left
13	Port Adelaide	Jack Whitlock	200cm	Key Forward	Murray Bushrangers	A 'lock' to go to Port
14	Fremantle	Isaac Kako	175cm	Small Forward	Calder Cannons	Bolton replacement, Ess elects not to bid
15	GWS	Jonty Faull	195cm	Key Forward	GWV Rebels	Weird name which GWS loves
16	GWS	Tom Gross	181cm	Midfelder	Oakleigh Chargers	Timed out
17	Western Bulldogs	Alex Dodson	203cm	Ruck	Sturt	Bevo loves playing the talls
18	Richmond	Tom Sims	199cm	Key Forward	Northern Knights	Tom Lynch replacement
19	Sydney	Murphy Reid	180cm	Midfielder	Sandringham Dragons	Parker replacement
20	Richmond	Alix Tauru	191cm	General Defender	Gippsland Power	Not yet sold on him but I haven't seen any of his TAC Cup footage
21	GWS	Oliver Hannaford	180cm	Midfielder	GWV Falcons
22	Sydney	Taj Hotton	182cm	Midfielder/General Forward	Sandringham Dragons
23	Richmond	Tobie Travaglia	187cm	General Defender	Bendigo Pioneers
24	WC (match bid from Richmond)	Malakai Champion	172cm	Small Forward	Subiaco	Good Bolton replacement if Eagles don't match but in this scenario they do
25	GC (match bid from Richmond)	Leo Lombard	178cm	Midfielder	GC Academy	Suns awake to the tactic and trade in a future 1st to make it happen
26	Richmond	Xavier Lindsay	183cm	Midfielder	Gippsland Power	Sounds a solid type

Thanks for outing yourself as a tuggers fan

Lindsay at 26
Tauru at 18
Redrafting of Will Ashcroft is the kicker
Draper at 6
Travaglia at 23

Is the other Whitlock falling to the tigers in the rookie draft.

 

[Possession]

This is why I don't usually watch draft highlights until we pick our players. Now I have favourites and am invested in them. It's going to end in disappointment on draft night I know.

Same... I'm getting a bit attached to Tauru and can feel the disappointment coming already. The supposed depth of this draft makes everything so murky. Need to stop thinking about it for a month!

 

[pitchster]

Richmond will not take 6+ kids in the draft. They will want pick 1 and 2, they will have

Pick 1,6,10,11,18,20,23,24

Then they may bundle up a few of 18, 20, 23, 24 to get back in the top ten

If they can end up hypothetically with 1,2,8,10 take 4 of the top 10 with 2 of the best kids in the draft. Thats the best case scenario for em. And a ripping draft haul.

Dont for one moment think pick 2 for 6/11 is out of reach by any stretch

If it comes to fruition thats great. Im just saying dont be surprised if its 6 and 18. That outcome would be just as good for us. Who exactly are we picking at 10 or 11 who might not be available at 18? The difference in the talent pool within that bracket is almost the same which is why the commentary around how deep this draft pool is at the forefront of talks around pick swaps. At that pick we should be able to grab a Shanahan, Hannaford or Whitlock. One should be there.

 

[Aristotle Pickett]

No thanks.

Here's your chance to secure an elite midfield pairing in Smith and FOS. Cotchin and Martin ring a bell? You could do it in one draft.

Neither will last to pick 6 - nor Draper or Lalor for that matter.

I suppose you could always try your luck with one of them to run with the likes of Taranto and Hopper.

You choose.

There's no Dustin or Cotchin in this draft. The first 5 mids are at the Sam Walsh/ Cerra/ Butters level.

 

[Colby Cheer Squad]

The biggest question I'm hearing is you guys love Sam Lalor and Finn O'Sullivan, if you guys don't want pick 2 then you are not going to get your second player, with the picks you have that is downright silly, forget the picks and get the best elite talent that you can get and get both of them if they are indeed the two, I know Jagga is in the frame so I guess that is interesting.

Fans and supporters are sometimes not quite on the same page as what their club is and as a consequence their club does what some think illogical things when in fact they have a lot better view on things than people realise. There is of course the unexpected and unbelievable {West Coast trade}, every supporter would have laughed at you and put on the hard line stance saying its not going to happen, that's fantasy stuff, your dreaming.

Do I need to remind you of what happened and how so many of their supporters sent angry Emails and some even said they wouldn't renew their membership. Now I know there are some who only said this out of anger, but in reality clubs will do what's best for them and sometimes its not what the majority of supporters have in mind. Come draft night there are going to be some interesting moves from certain teams, so along with all the talented boys in this crazy good draft and you add that in, its going to be one for the ages!

You say that as if it's exclusive to West Coast supporters, and we didn't have people rush on here within minutes of the announcement throwing around multiple disparaging references towards Brady Rawlings due to the Caleb Daniel trade.

 

[The Talent Scout]

If we swap 2 for Richmond’s 6 and 18, I suspect we could get Tauru and Whitlock.

If we can't get a better deal, and we do this deal, then a lot of things would have to go right, I'm guessing you mean Jack as Matt should go second round, If we get these two players {It does look at the moment that we will get one of Harry or Alix in this draft unless something special happens} I would be ecstatic, just these two players alone is an "A", without a couple more to come in. Its going to be very very interesting.

 

[Heaps of fun]

I think we're in a strong position. If Tigers don't take Lalor we take O'Sullivan, if they take O'Sullivan we take Lalor. O'Sullivan with his running ability and Lalor's versatility both suit us a lot better than Smith, Draper and Langford. Lalor potentially being a protege to Luke Parker

26

Luke Parker

Age

32

Ht

183cm

Wt

88kg

Pos.

Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D

24.2

5star

K

12.6

5star

HB

11.6

5star

M

3.8

4star

T

5.6

5star

CL

5.8

5star

D

22.1

5star

K

12.3

5star

HB

9.9

5star

M

3.9

4star

T

5.0

5star

CL

5.5

5star

D

21.2

5star

K

11.4

4star

HB

9.8

5star

M

2.0

3star

T

8.0

5star

CL

5.2

5star

is a mouth watering proposition.

If Richmond want both of these guys then they've got to dance with us. If we're that happy to take them, and we probably are, then we don't need to trade.

 

[Colby Cheer Squad]

The reference point for what pick 2 is worth is the West Coast trade in 2022.

They basically got 8 + 12 for pick 2. The only thing that muddies the worth of pick 2 from that trade was that Willie Rioli was sent with pick 2 in the same trade with a future 2nd and 3rd included going West Coast's way (you could argue Willie Rioli = Future 2nd[or 3rd] and so the Future 3rd[or 2nd] was paired with 8 + 12 in exchange for 2)

Anyway, regardless of how you want to view it, that has to be the measuring stick here. 6 + 11 sounds about right.

I wouldn't be shocked if we threw in a Future 1st aiming for pick 10 to be thrown in, but I'm not sure Richmond do that as they'd want an influx of top-end talent in one draft and even though our future 1st probably ends up a top 3/4 pick, delaying your rebuild a year isn't going to be something most clubs want to do, even if it means a pick 7-8 spots higher the year after.

Nobody would agree to trade 6 + 11 for 8 + 12, so therefore, 6 + 11 is not really equivalent to 8 + 12. There was way too much mud in the water over that multi club trade in 2022 to establish reasonable precedent. Did we get fair value for pick 1? Yes we did, given that we were not interested in the player GWS traded up for. Likewise, West Coast was looking at some locals later in the first round and they drafted exactly the players that they wanted so it worked for them. In this draft, we have to weigh up whether we can secure the two players we specifically want with the picks offered up for pick 2. That's what it comes down to. If not, we take the best player at 2.