Rumour 2024 Rumours and Speculation Part 3

[Kane McGoodwin]

They have some, they just have a coach with an outdated gameplan.

As opposed to us having a coach without a plan at all

Hopefully our new Director of Coaching can bring in a game plan from a successful team...

 

[Golumless]

Hopefully our new Director of Coaching can bring in a game plan from a successful team...

Eh, it's not a throw the baby out of the bathwater kind of deal. Just speed up that ball movement off the half back line + use Dawson defensively (either mid/hbf, the key is to avoid long stints away from where scoring chains start) and things should clean up rather quickly.

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

Eh, it's not a throw the baby out of the bathwater kind of deal. Just speed up that ball movement off the half back line + use Dawson defensively (either mid/hbf, the key is to avoid long stints away from where scoring chains start) and things should clean up rather quickly.

Hopefully we have learnt the hard way that we need to move the ball quickly after the shamozzle of our 1st month of last season.

However, we need to have better strategies to take on quality opposition & also ability to adapt our game plan on match day when needed... which requires more coaching smarts than what we had last season.

 

[Gtowncrow]

Hopefully our new Director of Coaching can bring in a game plan from a successful team...

Agree Kane.
I'm also hoping our new director of coaching can bring a player or two from that same successful team.

Brisbane must have some strong fringe players we might shake loose.

 

[1990crow]

Agree Kane.
I'm also hoping our new director of coaching can bring a player or two from that same successful team.

Brisbane must have some strong fringe players we might shake loose.

We've already got a couple.

 

[TubbsFarquhar]

St Kilda has "talent at their disposal"???

NWM, Pou, Owens, Wilson, Wilkie, Marshall, M. King, Henry, Steele and Sinclair is a decent crop. Not a top 4 threat, but still better than a bottom 4 side. Once Lyon actually played a more attacking game plan in the back end of the season, they started performing a lot better.

 

[1990crow]

NWM, Pou, Owens, Wilson, Wilkie, Marshall, M. King, Henry, Steele and Sinclair is a decent crop. Not a top 4 threat, but still better than a bottom 4 side. Once Lyon actually played a more attacking game plan in the back end of the season, they started performing a lot better.

Plus another couple of top picks this year.

 

[cleanhands]

NWM, Pou, Owens, Wilson, Wilkie, Marshall, M. King, Henry, Steele and Sinclair is a decent crop. Not a top 4 threat, but still better than a bottom 4 side. Once Lyon actually played a more attacking game plan in the back end of the season, they started performing a lot better.

It’s winning football

 

[Cromulant]

NWM, Pou, Owens, Wilson, Wilkie, Marshall, M. King, Henry, Steele and Sinclair is a decent crop. Not a top 4 threat, but still better than a bottom 4 side. Once Lyon actually played a more attacking game plan in the back end of the season, they started performing a lot better.

No they didn't.

 

[TubbsFarquhar]

No they didn't.

They won six of their last eight matches, including wins over Geelong and Sydney (even if the Swans were out of form).

 

[Cromulant]

They won six of their last eight matches, including wins over Geelong and Sydney (even if the Swans were out of form).

They beat 3 out of the bottom 4 and got spanked by the other one. None of those wins came outside of Marvel either, which is fine but you do need to win outside.

Brisbane belted them and yes they beat an out of form Sydney despite being outplayed for large portions of the game, Sydney having 9 more scoring shots but unable to hit the side of the barn door.

They've now lost a gun key defender and solid key forward depth.

 

[Golumless]

Hopefully we have learnt the hard way that we need to move the ball quickly after the shamozzle of our 1st month of last season.

However, we need to have better strategies to take on quality opposition & also ability to adapt our game plan on match day when needed... which requires more coaching smarts than what we had last season.

Preset plans, sure. Though, that's more refining the edges. The vast majority of it is getting your own house in order structurally.

Game day moves are a very overrated aspect of the game (especially by supporters who yearn for nostalgia), and borderline non-existent outside of preset moves/adjustments to injuries. After all, you're working against the fact that football is a momentum game, which really limits how much you can do on the fly. The mad-lads of the world, such as Blight who would have fun throwing the magnets around in big moments, have died out as coaches.

That said, I do wonder how far away we are to the head coach being permanently situated on the bench and close to the players. It happens in most major team sports, after all, and it's hard to not see Ports revival in 2023 and think there is merit to having the head coach on hand for the more interpersonal moments (though, I guess there is a safety in being in the box that a heated moment isn't seen by the world). Equally, it does seem that most moves would be automated, i.e. Dawson has spent 12 minutes in the inside and is due a breather.

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

Preset plans, sure. Though, that's more refining the edges. The vast majority of it is getting your own house in order structurally.

Game day moves are a very overrated aspect of the game (especially by supporters who yearn for nostalgia), and borderline non-existent outside of preset moves/adjustments to injuries. After all, you're working against the fact that football is a momentum game, which really limits how much you can do on the fly. The mad-lads of the world, such as Blight who would have fun throwing the magnets around in big moments, have died out as coaches.

That said, I do wonder how far away we are to the head coach being permanently situated on the bench and close to the players. It happens in most major team sports, after all, and it's hard to not see Ports revival in 2023 and think there is merit to having the head coach on hand for the more interpersonal moments (though, I guess there is a safety in being in the box that a heated moment isn't seen by the world). Equally, it does seem that most moves would be automated, i.e. Dawson has spent 12 minutes in the inside and is due a breather.

Whilst getting the main game plan right is most crucial, there still needs to be the ability to adapt on game day, when things are not going to plan.

This is not something we did well as rarely have come from behind after a poor start.

Also, we are not good at having specific plans in place to counter game plans of particular sides.

Our coaches just tend to go with the flow, even when not working.

 

[Mostyn]

Whilst getting the main game plan right is most crucial, there still needs to be the ability to adapt on game day, when things are not going to plan.

This is not something we did well as rarely have come from behind after a poor start.

Also, we are not good at having specific plans in place to counter game plans of particular sides.

Our coaches just tend to go with the flow, even when not working.

I think Golumless is right that game day moves are a much smaller part of the game that supporters think, and it's true of every club. There's smaller things that occur, but all professional team sports are more about structure.

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

I think Golumless is right that game day moves are a much smaller part of the game that supporters think, and it's true of every club. There's smaller things that occur, but all professional team sports are more about structure.

Never claimed they were the main part, but they are still part of the game when things are not going to plan.... & something we currently do badly as our coaching group lack collective strategic IQ.

 

[bigman]

Bicks you are often in the know. Where are the two rucks from the Rebels going to play next year?

 

[Mutineer]

Bicks you are often in the know. Where are the two rucks from the Rebels going to play next year?

Both Flynn Penry and Floyd Burmeister have been invited back next year as 19 year olds obviously because coach David Loader rates then as AFL prospects....remembering that's a well worn pathway with Rebels rucks i.e. Rowan Marshall and Lloyd Meek in recent times.

 

[bigman]

Both Flynn Penry and Floyd Burmeister have been invited back next year as 19 year olds obviously because coach David Loader rates then as AFL prospects....remembering that's a well worn pathway with Rebels rucks i.e. Rowan Marshall and Lloyd Meek in recent times.

Thanks mate. Happy new year to you

 

[cleanhands]

I think Golumless is right that game day moves are a much smaller part of the game that supporters think, and it's true of every club. There's smaller things that occur, but all professional team sports are more about structure.

Isn’t this what Craig was criticised for playing robots

 

[Cromulant]

Isn’t this what Craig was criticised for playing robots

Indeed.

Hated personalities within the group too, unless you were a senior player.

Sounds familiar

 

[cleanhands]

Indeed.

Hated personalities within the group too, unless you were a senior player.

Sounds familiar

Very head strong and wouldn’t deviate

 

[DJ75]

Indeed.

Hated personalities within the group too, unless you were a senior player.

Sounds familiar

Neil Craig never left.
One can only hope the stain left on the walls at West Lakes doesn't transfer over to Thebby

 

[Cromulant]

Neil Craig never left.
One can only hope the stain left on the walls at West Lakes doesn't transfer over to Thebby

The Neil Craig Post Game Function Centre.

Waters and Protein Shakes the only thing on the menu

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

The Neil Craig Post Game Function Centre.

Waters and Protein Shakes the only thing on the menu

Don't forget the bikes!

 

[Apsaalooke]

I think Golumless is right that game day moves are a much smaller part of the game that supporters think, and it's true of every club. There's smaller things that occur, but all professional team sports are more about structure.

You're right about minimal changes occurring on game day, apart from swapping defenders when one of them is getting towelled up, but I think its more about collective mindset (think no tagging a few years back, which is slowly coming back in vogue) rather than any great body of evidence that says its the only way to go, especially if you're losing.

Structure doesn't mean you can't shift the magnets around if things aren't working. The coaches are surely there for more than telling players to just try harder or play better, which seems to be the message nowadays.