Spot on, exactly why I've never complained about the Gibbs deal. Didn't pay off but I'd rather take that gamble to get that little further than sit on our hands and protect our precious draft picks.
Also Oliver is twice the player Gibbs was imo.
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Spot on, exactly why I've never complained about the Gibbs deal. Didn't pay off but I'd rather take that gamble to get that little further than sit on our hands and protect our precious draft picks.
Spot on, exactly why I've never complained about the Gibbs deal. Didn't pay off but I'd rather take that gamble to get that little further than sit on our hands and protect our precious draft picks.
We knew that sitting still wasn't good enough.
The bigger problem was we misread entirely the profile of our list, and where it was heading. The biggest point that people tend to miss about that team was that Eddie went over the hill about three quarters through the season, and he was one of our bigger points of difference.
Berry's doing well again the last little bit. Has some good value, would rather trade Crouch if possible.You've misunderstood what I said.
Oliver for Berry and a future 1st round pick swap.
Oliver for Berry and the 2024 Melb 2nd (which we hold).
Agreed, Gibbs just wasn't a need at the time - Oliver definetly is now.
Berry's doing well again the last little bit. Has some good value, would rather trade Crouch if possible.
Yes, but surely you can acheive everything you want with zero risk.I tend to think people on this board tend to miss the point on taking risks.
Not every risk taken leads to a premiership, but premierships aren't generally won without risk.
You should judge decisions on the information available at the time, not what occurs after. A risk can not pan out, and yet still have been worth it
Carey didn't lead to a premiership, but we weren't wrong to pursue one.
Staying safe, not taking risk, is a low percentage of going bad, but also won't lead to the promised land.
Let's say there is a good chance of getting Oliver.
What would you be willing to give up to get him? Let's assume we pay 3/4 of his salary, but Melbourne want something reasonable back. How far would you be willing to go? I'm going to also assume Melbourne are interested in Berry as a like for like replacement.
a. Our 2024 1st pick?
b. Berry and a 2024 2nd round pick?
c. Berry and a future first?
d. 2024 2nd round pick and a future pick?
e. Multiple future picks?
f. Berry + other players?
As long as its not this years 1st which has to be for a draper etc (tope end young mid), then ok. F1 and they pay a portion of his contractB or D. I would rather pay his full salary and minimise the draft/player capital
In terms of draft - as long as our first round this year is off the table I would be pretty comfortable
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This is a very good point. The thing I would add is, in a general sense, at what stage are you in a good position to take a risk, security wise, money wise etc etc. In a footy context, which fits in well with the Carey example, where are you at on the premiership clock to take this risk, what’s your salary cap like and draft picks?I tend to think people on this board tend to miss the point on taking risks.
Not every risk taken leads to a premiership, but premierships aren't generally won without risk.
You should judge decisions on the information available at the time, not what occurs after. A risk can not pan out, and yet still have been worth it
Carey didn't lead to a premiership, but we weren't wrong to pursue one.
Staying safe, not taking risk, is a low percentage of going bad, but also won't lead to the promised land.
No-one complained about getting Gibbs at the time but at the fact that we got reamed, apparently because the CEO gave instructions to get it done regardless of the draft cost.Spot on, exactly why I've never complained about the Gibbs deal. Didn't pay off but I'd rather take that gamble to get that little further than sit on our hands and protect our precious draft picks.
Laird for Oliver
1 Injured player was not the reason why Nicks decided to change to a defensive game plan over preseason... particularly as the injury was just before the season began
Am I wrong it feels reasonably balanced if we take other salary? At least as te centerpieceIf that happened, Jenny wouldn't be able to read the board for 8 weeks...
Am I wrong it feels reasonably balanced if we take other salary? At least as te centerpiece
They get an instant replacement at lower cost and less risk. It’s an AA so easier to sell fans than a low pick
If we got Oliver laird would be surplus to our mids. Oliver’s $ become less risk as it’s really just taking onto difference now and we aren’t selling our future
It’s really hard to value Oliver with all the variables (form, risk, salary, how much melb/new club take of that and maybe most importantly how badly do melb want to keep him or how badly they want him gone)I see what you mean and we are taking the risk because of Clarrys issues but geez, it'd look like highway robbery of the same sort of equivalent of Port saying to North "we will give you two shiny mid teen first rounders for this generational footballer"
"War chest" is the other one. Code for no one incoming.The most dangerous words in the English language: "The Crows are in the box seat" or "The Crows hold all the cards". A sure sign we're about to get reamed, or fold.
'Organic growth' gets wheeled out when said war chest yields no one of note"War chest" is the other one. Code for no one incoming.
Hinge is the 8th ranked player in his position this year and above the likes of Saad, NVM, Tom Stewart and Maynard and only just below Blakey. Hinge was starting to push into the elite territory for his position last year and has well and truly gone to that level this year.Hinge's first few games he was a liability. Which is my point. We need to draft and recruit players who are going to be considered the best in their positions if we're going to actually win a flag, which neither Keays or Hinge are. Murray could be, but he's a long way off yet.
Unlike last year, "if" Melbourne want him gone then they will accept at most our future 1st rounder. Maybe this is the big fish the ITK poster mentioned many weeks ago as a "certainty" as Oliver does look to have completely checked out this season but Goodwin is desperate to make Finals so he continue to play him.Get him in. Fine. Take the risk.
BUT NOT FOR THIS YEAR’S FIRST ROUNDER!!!!!