Rumour 2024 Rumours and Speculation (Rumours total 25, last 28th August)

[LoBu]

That's interesting. My memory at the time he was given a 1 year extension was that Pyke told him he was not guaranteed senior selection. Basically, that chances were he'd be playing some or a lot of SANFL

And his only game was woeful

Campo giving him a reach around in the press?

It goes to the coach tendency to over regard a fading player based on the credit they put on the board for the previous ten years, doesn't it. We seem to be doing it now, rewarding players who stuck through the crap times since 2017, even as their replacements standby as ready and flighty if not rewarded.

I'll be watch Hawkins closely when we he gets fitness back at the end of this season, will his coach of over 300 games be able to resist the urge to play him in the finals? Or will he make the same mistake they all seem to make (Scott did it for Selwood I think but managed to carry him through to the GF win) and play the out of form, too old player as the reward for loyalty, previous form and hard work.

 

[LoBu]

Not too creative, future first would be 90% of the required 15.

If we had a future first, we would hold it until the moment comes when teams are coming into a second pick and many of the players they want are gone.

It's a risk for us to hold a later first round pick (say an early trade with Carlton before the night which could be a first round in the early 20s, with Welsh still on the board). We'd want to swop picks on the night, at the right time, to pick up the player we want before or after Welsh.

Holding it for the first pick on the second night could be a play.

 

[Multiballz]

Who could forget premiership legend, Frampton

Has played a hell of lot better for Collingwood then he ever did for us.

Amazing that...

 

[Mr_Moogle]

Has played a hell of lot better for Collingwood then he ever did for us.

Amazing that...

I don't think so. He still does Billy Frampton things all the time.

 

[Jarman3]

Danger ,Gunston, Lyons, Stengle,Curnow ....

We don't lose players that we want to keep. The only ones that go are ones that we're happy to let go ie the type that are capable of winning premierships. Got no use for that at the AFC.

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

Id take Berry and Keane for pick 15 this year.

We need to be improving our depth not reducing it with a young list, or we just stay near the bottom.

Would prefer we use our 1st for midfielder, enough for Welsh, then look to use other picks (including futures) to bring in non-FA players (as well as targeting FA which is looking less hopeful).

We will go nowhere if we just keep net trading out players like last year.

 

[Crow till I die]

We need to be improving our depth not reducing it with a young list, or we just stay near the bottom.

Would prefer we use our 1st for midfielder, enough for Welsh, then look to use other picks (including futures) to bring in non-FA players (as well as targeting FA which is looking less hopeful).

We will go nowhere if we just keep net trading out players like last year.

I wouldn't be too worried about that right now. If Dowling and Taylor get meaningful gametime for the rest of this year, it will set them up for more next year to cover for the loss of Berry. We already have plenty of depth in our KPD once Worrell comes back - Butts, Murray, Worrell, Borlase can all play tall so next year we should be ok there.

Then think of the strategy if we could get an extra 1st for both Keane and Berry (maybe by getting a future and trading in?), we could go something like:

Our 1st pick (say 4 or 5) - Draper if he is there, or if not, another top mid
The extra teens 1st for the 2 departing players - grab a second mid OR maybe Dodson
Welsh - points
Load up to try and lure Cumming across from GWS (extra mature age player to help offset losing others)

Don't forget we still have Curtin who should be already playing in the AFL side and he is going to be a very good player imo, Edwards and Ryan who have shown enough this year that with an extra preseason, may be pushing for debuts next year as well.

 

[Eagleboy2011]

I wouldn't be too worried about that right now. If Dowling and Taylor get meaningful gametime for the rest of this year, it will set them up for more next year to cover for the loss of Berry. We already have plenty of depth in our KPD once Worrell comes back - Butts, Murray, Worrell, Borlase can all play tall so next year we should be ok there.

Then think of the strategy if we could get an extra 1st for both Keane and Berry (maybe by getting a future and trading in?), we could go something like:

Our 1st pick (say 4 or 5) - Draper if he is there, or if not, another top mid
The extra teens 1st for the 2 departing players - grab a second mid OR maybe Dodson
Welsh - points
Load up to try and lure Cumming across from GWS (extra mature age player to help offset losing others)

Don't forget we still have Curtin who should be already playing in the AFL side and he is going to be a very good player imo, Edwards and Ryan who have shown enough this year that with an extra preseason, may be pushing for debuts next year as well.

Only major problem is the guy in charge.

 

[Vader]

We don't lose players that we want to keep. The only ones that go are ones that we're happy to let go ie the type that are capable of winning premierships. Got no use for that at the AFC.

Well... we delisted Curnow & Stengle, and we pushed Lyons out the door as well - so it's true for them.

Definitely not the case for Dangerfield, Lever, Cameron, or Gunston though.

 

[Captain Furious]

Eddie said his son and their mates all came over to Adelaide for Berry's debut game too. As I said before, if he plays to the level he did against Brisbane, he will be a loss for us in the years to come. He had a very good game.

He had 109 metres gained - imagine playing a full game in the midfield and you can only advance the ball 109 metres in 2 hours of football, Butts 6 possessions got 140. Taylor almost caught him in a quarter. Not to mention the Brisbane midfield running riot on his watch. That’s a pretty low bar for a very good game.

He’s going backwards and surplus to requirements. We have young mids with higher ceilings that could use the game time.

 

[WeeBlake]

We need to be improving our depth not reducing it with a young list, or we just stay near the bottom.

Would prefer we use our 1st for midfielder, enough for Welsh, then look to use other picks (including futures) to bring in non-FA players (as well as targeting FA which is looking less hopeful).

We will go nowhere if we just keep net trading out players like last year.

We need high end talent - especially midfield talent - more than we need depth.

At this point it doesn’t look like Berry is going to be an AA level mid. He is exactly the kind of player who we should be moving on so we can have another shot at getting a great player.

Keane I’d prefer to keep but intercepting 3rd talls are replaceable and we have plenty of marking power in the backline without him.

 

[Crow till I die]

He had 109 metres gained - imagine playing a full game in the midfield and you can only advance the ball 109 metres in 2 hours of football, Butts 6 possessions got 140. Taylor almost caught him in a quarter. Not to mention the Brisbane midfield running riot on his watch. That’s a pretty low bar for a very good game.

He’s going backwards and surplus to requirements. We have young mids with higher ceilings that could use the game time.

lol..what about his clearances, score involvements and disposal efficiency for his 20 possessions. If you want to bash him for body of work over his career, fine, but he played a pretty good game on the weekend.

Edit. I am not disagreeing on potentially having higher ceiling young mids

 

[Mostyn]

He had 109 metres gained - imagine playing a full game in the midfield and you can only advance the ball 109 metres in 2 hours of football, Butts 6 possessions got 140. Taylor almost caught him in a quarter. Not to mention the Brisbane midfield running riot on his watch. That’s a pretty low bar for a very good game.

He’s going backwards and surplus to requirements. We have young mids with higher ceilings that could use the game time.

Supposedly clubs don't really think metres gained is a very important stat.

They look at assisted metres gained - what are the metres gained by the players you give the ball to.

That shows, with inside players, that they're succeeding with getting the ball to someone in a better position who can do something positive with it

Champion Data we're talking about it this week on the ESPN podcast.

 

[GreyCrow]

Supposedly clubs don't really think metres gained is a very important stat.

They look at assisted metres gained - what are the metres gained by the players you give the ball to.

That shows, with inside players, that they're succeeding with getting the ball to someone in a better position who can do something positive with it

Champion Data we're talking about it this week on the ESPN podcast.

The Rory Laird Stat

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

We need high end talent - especially midfield talent - more than we need depth.

At this point it doesn’t look like Berry is going to be an AA level mid. He is exactly the kind of player who we should be moving on so we can have another shot at getting a great player.

Keane I’d prefer to keep but intercepting 3rd talls are replaceable and we have plenty of marking power in the backline without him.

We need depth too.

We had less this year than last year & it's hurt us with injuries.

We shouldn't be looking to trade out net players.

Should be looking for value players looking for more opportunities like we have in the past with the likes Seedsman, Lynch & Jenkins.

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

I wouldn't be too worried about that right now. If Dowling and Taylor get meaningful gametime for the rest of this year, it will set them up for more next year to cover for the loss of Berry. We already have plenty of depth in our KPD once Worrell comes back - Butts, Murray, Worrell, Borlase can all play tall so next year we should be ok there.

Then think of the strategy if we could get an extra 1st for both Keane and Berry (maybe by getting a future and trading in?), we could go something like:

Our 1st pick (say 4 or 5) - Draper if he is there, or if not, another top mid
The extra teens 1st for the 2 departing players - grab a second mid OR maybe Dodson
Welsh - points
Load up to try and lure Cumming across from GWS (extra mature age player to help offset losing others)

Don't forget we still have Curtin who should be already playing in the AFL side and he is going to be a very good player imo, Edwards and Ryan who have shown enough this year that with an extra preseason, may be pushing for debuts next year as well.

We need to start next season with more players with AFL experience or will continue to go nowhere!

 

[BRL121]

We need depth too.

We had less this year than last year & it's hurt us with injuries.

We shouldn't be looking to trade out net players.

Should be looking for value players looking for more opportunities like we have in the past with the likes Seedsman, Lynch & Jenkins.

Yes. As I always say, we should only trade in players who make us better. If a best 22 player goes out, we need to get a better one in.

 

[FR0GGY]

As long as we only have 1 of berry, laird or crouch in the side.
3 similar players.
May aswell trade at least 1

 

[texanmike]

As long as we only have 1 of berry, laird or crouch in the side.
3 similar players.
May aswell trade at least 1

Everyone else can see it but the club, NFI. For as long as these guys are played in the guts together, we will continue going backwards.

 

[jimvic]

As long as we only have 1 of berry, laird or crouch in the side.
3 similar players.
May aswell trade at least 1

not sure what we actually get for Berry as he is OOC

 

[GameofSloanes]

Has played a hell of lot better for Collingwood then he ever did for us.

Amazing that...

Not sure that is true. He had zero possessions mid way through the 3rd qtr last week
Better system at Collingwood makes him look better maybe

 

[BucketsNj]

As long as we only have 1 of berry, laird or crouch in the side.
3 similar players.
May aswell trade at least 1

So when Crouch/Berry/Laird is off, who is the inside mid?

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

So when Crouch/Berry/Laird is off, who is the inside mid?

Soligo, Dawson & Rankine attend the centre bounce.

 

[FR0GGY]

So when Crouch/Berry/Laird is off, who is the inside mid?

Soligo or dowling.

 

[Floating Doughnut]

Supposedly clubs don't really think metres gained is a very important stat.

They look at assisted metres gained - what are the metres gained by the players you give the ball to.

That shows, with inside players, that they're succeeding with getting the ball to someone in a better position who can do something positive with it

Champion Data we're talking about it this week on the ESPN podcast.

Metres gained: Breaking down the AFL's most misunderstood statistic

'Metres gained' has become the sexy statistic that's synonymous with modern footy, but what does it mean and just how valuable is it? ESPN and Champion Data have joined forces to break down everything metres gained and explain what it all means.

www.espn.com.au

Spot on.

This is not a current article but as relevant today as it was 5 years ago .

I often wonder what our club could have achieved had we drafted to compliment Matt Crouch and build a midfield around him rather than to compete with him. # wasted years !