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I'd suggest you take at look at his draft.

I did before I posted. I currently rank him after 10, and as I clearly stated "Ät this stage"...so that can change up or down as time passes (Personally I think he is not strong enough at present, and so I am hopeful that another preseason will see some significant improvement).

At this stage for example I also rate;

  • Wilson higher that his pick 18
  • Garcia higher than his pick 50
But I guess that is ok as I am ranking them higher?
There may be a couple taken after him that have had a decent start to their AFL and half of the guys taken before him have reached sub Phillipou levels so far.

Aaaaand he was the youngest in last year's draft.

While true, it is irrelevent to ranking him" "Ät this stage on his current performance. It may be a factor helpful in improving his ranking later.

Collard too, I would rank lower than his draft pick at this stage, but that too could easily change once his body develops a lot more. He certainly has the talent to make it.
He is still a draft steal in my opinion and I very much look forward to him playing another 300 games in the RW&B


That may well prove to be the case in time, and I hope it is. But on delivered form it is not yet the case.
 
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Matty Allison has done very well for himself to get four years to be brutal. 4 touches today.

Thats okay though. I think Allison, Hotton and now Byrnes will have to be cut.
 
Just on Pou.

As this stage he is looking more and more like a Pick 10 who was taken too high.

When he was drafted we all thought that he was a Pick 10 who had slipped and we were lucky to get him at Pick 10.


Hopefully he can build his body and strength over summer and so that we can see a stronger, quicker and better Pou in 2025.
I have a question about your nic!

Is the "st" short for Saint, or short for shit?
 
Hopefully Hugo is considered, even if it's as the sub.

Been really impressive since returning to Sandy.


His pressure when he doesn't have the ball is elite. He does stuff that doesn't show on the stats sheet. Byrnes tries to do it but doesn't have the same level of commitment to the task. Every time I watch him he impresses me.
 
I have a question about your nic!

Is the "st" short for Saint, or short for shit?


What, does my rating Wilson higher than his pick 18 offend you? Or say Sincs or Marshall.

Is one only allowed to post when players are exceeding expectations?


You know all I have said is that I currently rate Pou as lower than his pick 10. It is a "live" rating. I have not called him a dud, howled for his delisting, called it a wasted pick etc. I have him in the teens. I was more reflecting on that he was a pick that had not slid as some believed.

I do think he will be better next season when his body is stronger. Also some players just take longer to come on than others. ie Sinclair, Justin Peckett, or say Andrew Thompson. Others come on quicker.

Based on the knowledge based at the time Pou was a fair enough pick at pick the time at pick 10. So I have no issue at all with him being taken there.

Unlike many on this forum with Billings for example, I do not negatively criticise the recruiters at the time for taking him where they picked him as based on the knowledge prior to selection it was a fair and reasonable pick. He just did not continue develop and improve. So if one redid his draft year now he would slide down the order a fair bit.
 
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His pressure when he doesn't have the ball is elite. He does stuff that doesn't show on the stats sheet. Byrnes tries to do it but doesn't have the same level of commitment to the task. Every time I watch him he impresses me.

He impresses me too.

And yes he looked good in the Reserves game against the Suns which I was at.

After the game he was with a huge group of I presume his family members.

I had a brief chat with him, congratulated him on his game and told him I thought he was going really well at present.
 

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What, does my rating Wilson higher than his pick 18 offend you? Or say Sincs or Marshall.

Is one only allowed to post when players are exceeding expectations?


You know all I have said is that I currently rate Pou as lower than his pick 10. It is a "live" rating. I have not called him a dud, howled for his delisting, called it a wasted pick etc. I have him in the teens. I was more reflecting on that he was a pick that had not slid as some believed.

I do think he will be better next season when his body is stronger. Also some players just take longer to come on than others. ie Sinclair, Justin Peckett, or say Andrew Thompson. Others come on quicker.

Based on the knowledge based at the time Pou was a fair enough pick at pick the time at pick 10. So I have no issue at all with him being taken there.

Unlike many on this forum with Billings for example, I do not negatively criticise the recruiters at the time for taking him where they picked him as based on the knowledge prior to selection it was a fair and reasonable pick. He just did not continue develop and improve. So if one redid his draft year now he would slide down the order a fair bit.
It's hard to judge how good is going to be when he is 19 or 20 , these kids just having the ability to even get to play seniors this early in there career , with schoolboy bodies so imagine when they get some meat on the bones with strength and conditioning.

But then again it all comes down to hunger - you can be a Jack Billings and think he will just cruise through his career or you can be like Jack Sinclair / unheralded work his ass off , be a borderline 22 player and blossom after the hard work pays off and become a All Australian.
 
It's hard to judge how good is going to be when he is 19 or 20 , these kids just having the ability to even get to play seniors this early in there career , with schoolboy bodies so imagine when they get some meat on the bones with strength and conditioning.

But then again it all comes down to hunger - you can be a Jack Billings and think he will just cruise through his career or you can be like Jack Sinclair / unheralded work his ass off , be a borderline 22 player and blossom after the hard work pays off and become a All Australian.

Yes I fully agree that it is very hard to predict the future.

Though my post was rating the present.

We have many (more that we have had in a long time) good young prospects and how they all progress will be fascinating for sure.

Unfortunately though we have not been in the top of the draft for a goodly time now, and this unfortunately coincides with a list that is lacking in true guns. We are very thin at our top end or quality. So if we are to have success in the near future we desperately need some "outperfoms" in our drafting/trading, and not just good drafting/trading.
 
From memory who kicked 3 goals in his game? Against Brisbane up in Brisbane? Delisted after that and no one picked him up…
I remember taking my son and some of his mates to a family day at the club pre-season when he was there.
I asked Terry Danniher about him who was an assistant coach at the time and he said Barry is a country lad with
a lot of talent - it's basically up to him if he wants to make it or not. I guess he didn't want it enough ?
 
What, does my rating Wilson higher than his pick 18 offend you? Or say Sincs or Marshall.

Is one only allowed to post when players are exceeding expectations?


You know all I have said is that I currently rate Pou as lower than his pick 10. It is a "live" rating. I have not called him a dud, howled for his delisting, called it a wasted pick etc. I have him in the teens. I was more reflecting on that he was a pick that had not slid as some believed.

I do think he will be better next season when his body is stronger. Also some players just take longer to come on than others. ie Sinclair, Justin Peckett, or say Andrew Thompson. Others come on quicker.

Based on the knowledge based at the time Pou was a fair enough pick at pick the time at pick 10. So I have no issue at all with him being taken there.

Unlike many on this forum with Billings for example, I do not negatively criticise the recruiters at the time for taking him where they picked him as based on the knowledge prior to selection it was a fair and reasonable pick. He just did not continue develop and improve. So if one redid his draft year now he would slide down the order a fair bit.
I’m not sure Philipou is a genuine mid, that’s why he struggles with the pace of the game. Most of the highlights from under 18 has him playing HF, only some through the middle.. Just looks a touch behind / reactive to the drop of the ball from stoppage / clearance situations.. That’s not writing him off, it’s just stating the facts..

But with our poor forward line entries, playing at HFF he would be in-effective, might as well get him play mid in VFL for the rest of the season and develop his midfield craft because he doesn’t look like a mid.
 
I remember taking my son and some of his mates to a family day at the club pre-season when he was there.
I asked Terry Danniher about him who was an assistant coach at the time and he said Barry is a country lad with
a lot of talent - it's basically up to him if he wants to make it or not. I guess he didn't want it enough ?

He was 2 years in the system, when we got him.
Rather than do their homework, Saints coughed up a first round pick for a snowflake.

Typical.
 
His pressure when he doesn't have the ball is elite. He does stuff that doesn't show on the stats sheet. Byrnes tries to do it but doesn't have the same level of commitment to the task. Every time I watch him he impresses me.
Hugo just needs to use his pace more to spread & win some easier ball..
 
Sorry its frustrating because he has made the exact same mistakes that Lyon makes. In previous games I have rated Batchelors coaching with the talent he had available. If Lyon is having a say then how many minutes players like Crouch and Phillipou get when they arent performing then the set up is totally wrong and Lyon is over reaching in his role. When Batchelor moved Jones and Byrnes (also AFL listed) into the middle it gave the team a entire new out look.

Garcia it seems was used as the behind the ruckman stopper/tackler similiarly to what Ross does when playing. Then with Crouch and Phillipou left as the ball winners Sandringham were way too slow and got cut up with ridiculous ease.
Max Hall needs a lot more midfield time..
 

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