News 2024 St.Kilda Media Thread

[Jayman15]

SEN Breakfast 30/1 Kane and Edmunds leveraging off The Age article in discussing RTB power within St Kilda and lack of strong accountability above

 

[gringo2011]

Don't get me wrong, I'm as onboard with what's happening atm as anyone, but when I say Ross is a 5-year deal, I'm talking about his shelf life, maybe he gets more, but it's shown that he empties absolutely everything out of the list, and if we hit that moment, I want someone who's been there in STK's corner fighting for the years after Ross is gone. I want the next 5-10 years after Ross still being a competitive team.

as Cobra said, a line of accountability, and it can't be Bassat, the president can't be the checks and balances guy, the footy boss is that person in most cases, but that's now Ross's guy, and the CEO, well he just got rid of one who he didn't like poking into footy stuff, and we know the next CEO will strictly not be allowed input..

We absolutely butchered his exit last time and fell off a cliff that we didn't see coming. The way we are setting ourselves up this time is much more of a framework and as long as we don't do anything weird we should be able to do a handover to a younger coach with a fully professional set up.

It was the perfect storm of a mentally broken side, a coach who walked out and we followed up by closing the purse strings and trying to starve ourselves to success. We broke down every part of the footy department and then struggled to rebuild it because we didn't want to employ a Neil Balme type to come in and build the structures required.

Lyon is Neil Balme and a senior coach in one. He's an autocrat, a slave driver, a standard setter, a dictator etc but he's also a serious football brain and a structural coach who sets a standard that the whole place has to adhere to. Under Ratts/Richo we were a bunch of weekend warriors, Lyon has set up a serious army.

 

[The Cobra]

SEN Breakfast 30/1 Kane and Edmunds leveraging off The Age article in discussing RTB power within St Kilda and lack of strong accountability above

As I wrote above I’m torn on this but on reflection I can’t think of one football area at the Club that hasnt improved since RTB walked in the door. The change in culture has been incredible. Even talking to my non Saints mates they all say something is building at Moorabbin.

Training standards are now elite, we are winning games and the development of the young players is as exciting as it was in the GT era. Plus the players think RTB is quirky but they respect and fear him.

I’m not silly enough to think that improvement will always be linear, there will be bumps along the way, but I can see RTB and his team have a plan for team development.

Perhaps we are looking at this all wrong, maybe he has morphed the traditional AFL coaches job into a Football Managers role where everyone does their job but he oversees everything (training, S&C, Medical etc)?

 

[gringo2011]

As I wrote above I’m torn on this but on reflection I can’t think of one football area at the Club that hasnt improved since RTB walked in the door. The change in culture has been incredible. Even talking to my non Saints mates they all say something is building at Moorabbin.

Training standards are now elite, we are winning games and the development of the young players is as exciting as it was in the GT era. Plus the players think RTB is quirky but they respect and fear him.

I’m not silly enough to think that improvement will always be linear, there will be bumps along the way, but I can see RTB and his team have a plan for team development.

Perhaps we are looking at this all wrong, maybe he has morphed the traditional AFL coaches job into a Football Managers role where everyone does their job but he oversees everything (training, S&C, Medical etc)?

Yep 100%, more like a manager than a pure AFL coach. He's across everything. He used to be an autocrat and leave others out. He's been great at delegating since he got back but still a force of nature with his positivity and presence.

 

[Username Unknown]

We absolutely butchered his exit last time and fell off a cliff that we didn't see coming. The way we are setting ourselves up this time is much more of a framework and as long as we don't do anything weird we should be able to do a handover to a younger coach with a fully professional set up.

It was the perfect storm of a mentally broken side, a coach who walked out and we followed up by closing the purse strings and trying to starve ourselves to success. We broke down every part of the footy department and then struggled to rebuild it because we didn't want to employ a Neil Balme type to come in and build the structures required.

Lyon is Neil Balme and a senior coach in one. He's an autocrat, a slave driver, a standard setter, a dictator etc but he's also a serious football brain and a structural coach who sets a standard that the whole place has to adhere to. Under Ratts/Richo we were a bunch of weekend warriors, Lyon has set up a serious army.

Completely agree Gringo. Ross will understand the impact his previous exit had on the club and us as supporters, and want to rectify that situation.

He is clearly a saints person who care deeply about the club. During press conferences he has stated a number of times that it is important that we take things slow to ensure sustainable success for a long period of time.

I think Ross and Bassett, are genuine and authentic people who have a strong passion to see St Kilda be successful.

Both of them are not afraid to have difficult conversations or speak hard truths. They are both willing to front up to the media when the club needs them too.

I have no reason not take them at face value and believe their word. Since they have come in, as every one has stated, we have continued to take steps away from the shambles we were in and towards an elite environment and culture.

I will personally keep backing in the decisions they are making until I have evidence to no longer believe in them.

 

[SteeleSaints]

The Lyon power struggle is a complete media beat up IMO. I can understand a CEO expecting briefings from Misson, Allan and Lyon but any other involvement is an over reach on his behalf. Lethlean obviously had a vested interest in the football dept, but it seems he couldnt go of let the reins. If he was excelling at the business side of the job Im sure the club would have worked to correct the issue, but it seems he wasn't hence his exit.

Bassett is driving the club to become the absolute best it can be and if personnel dont perform they are moved on. The new CEO will be the best available and another step up in the clubs growth.

So bye Simon thanks for your service and good luck with your future endeavours.

 

[Username Unknown]

Another thing is we have heard a number of times Ross mentioning getting advice from people in the industry. Does that sound like the sort of person who doesn’t want to be challenged and grow?

 

[SaintsSeptember]

Yep 100%, more like a manager than a pure AFL coach. He's across everything. He used to be an autocrat and leave others out. He's been great at delegating since he got back but still a force of nature with his positivity and presence.

Remember what our club was like before he joined us the first time.

President : Butterss

CEO: Archie Fraser

Head of Football : Thomas
Head Coach : Thomas
Trainee Receptionist : Thomas
Scandal reaction and suppression : Thomas
Anything not covered above : Thomas
( Previous years,
CEO Watt
Drafting Watt )
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When Lyon got his first senior coaching gig at the Saints he would have been "expected " to do a lot more than just coaching.
Surely the structure was very different to that at Sydney where he'd been assistant.
It makes sense that he's less autocratic now. The club is structured a lot better, and Lyon has had a lot of years experience at another club now too.

 

[Tommy Wigs]

The Lyon power struggle is a complete media beat up IMO. I can understand a CEO expecting briefings from Misson, Allan and Lyon but any other involvement is an over reach on his behalf. Lethlean obviously had a vested interest in the football dept, but it seems he couldnt let the reins go. If he was excelling at the business side of the job Im sure the club would have worked to correct the issue, but it seems he wasn't hence his exit.

Bassett is driving the club to become the absolute best it can be and if personnel dont perform they are moved on. The new CEO will be the best available and another step up in the clubs growth.

So bye Simon thanks for your service and good luck with your future endeavours.

It’s amazing the media miss the fact that there will be another CEO.

 

[sammm]

It’s amazing the media miss the fact that there will be another CEO.

Unless they think it's Delina and he knew Lyon from the old days.

 

[Jayman15]

Jake Niall with a discussion on SEN Whateley 30/1 re: RTB at Saints. Nothing groundbreaking other than discussing points from his Age article

 

[SteeleSaints]

Now its made News.com.au. We are soft targets the footy media just love sticking the boots into our club every chance they get. I think its time the club Bassett and the acting CEO Dilena made a statement to kill off this rubbish! Get on the front foot with this bullshyte and get the legal team to start sending a few liable warnings out.

https://www.news.com.au/sport/afl/fears-emerge-over-ross-lyon-after-st-kilda-sacking/news-story/e1ab818ac786e2d1a9c611b1b61307dc

 

[Ads734]

Ross is too smart a person and coach not to have improved whilst he was out of the game.

 

[gringo2011]

Remember what our club was like before he joined us the first time.

President : Butterss

CEO: Archie Fraser

Head of Football : Thomas
Head Coach : Thomas
Trainee Receptionist : Thomas
Scandal reaction and suppression : Thomas
Anything not covered above : Thomas
( Previous years,
CEO Watt
Drafting Watt )
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When Lyon got his first senior coaching gig at the Saints he would have been "expected " to do a lot more than just coaching.
Surely the structure was very different to that at Sydney where he'd been assistant.
It makes sense that he's less autocratic now. The club is structured a lot better, and Lyon has had a lot of years experience at another club now too.

He had a lot to prove and was probably not good at trusting people under him. He used to be in his tin shed office until 10pm most nights back in the day and staff felt left out. Sos decided coaching wasn't for him after watching Lyon work.

 

[Mat Mann]

Now its made News.com.au. We are soft targets the footy media just love sticking the boots into our club every chance they get. I think its time the club Bassett and the acting CEO Dilena made a statement to kill off this rubbish! Get on the front foot with this bullshyte and get the legal team to start sending a few liable warnings out.

https://www.news.com.au/sport/afl/fears-emerge-over-ross-lyon-after-st-kilda-sacking/news-story/e1ab818ac786e2d1a9c611b1b61307dc

mate I'm saying exactly the same thing in this thread and so have others.

we've gone from a club with no master at the helm to a master with unfettered powers, not sure the second is better than the 1st, I hope like others that Ross has learned, I believe he showed change at the end at Freo, has he evolved in his time away from the club? as I've already said, I'm not worried about now, but 3 years when Bassat has to step aside, 5 years when Ross is done, where is the StKilda voice in the discussion.

 

[stavro#4]

Jake Niall with a discussion on SEN Whateley 30/1 re: RTB at Saints. Nothing groundbreaking other than discussing points from his Age article

Only thing worth mentioning here.

President wanted Ross back when we hired Ratten

 

[SteeleSaints]

mate I'm saying exactly the same thing in this thread and so have others.

we've gone from a club with no master at the helm to a master with unfettered powers, not sure the second is better than the 1st, I hope like others that Ross has learned, I believe he showed change at the end at Freo, has he evolved in his time away from the club? as I've already said, I'm not worried about now, but 3 years when Bassat has to step aside, 5 years when Ross is done, where is the StKilda voice in the discussion.

Thats believing that the media huff is factual, which I dont. Bassett and the current board are much smarter than that. Did you ever consider that perhaps Lethlean wasnt very good at his job/s?

 

[Verdun66]

The off-season so the media scratching about looking for angles and stories. Slim pickings.

Just on Ross. After the loss to GWS in the final his media appearances showed he was a shattered man in the following days. He was really hurting. Not satisfied at all that they had even got to the finals against the odds.

But his angst seemed to be directed more at himself and the coaches about how to better prepare. Even Chris Scott

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told him to calm down. Phenomenal standards and a very driven man. Very few people have the focus and energy to keep that up for any length of time.

Living with it as a colleague must be tough, but I think he’s mellowed to a degree. Lucky he seems to have extremely driven assistant coaches.

Doesn’t seem he will let much get in the way of ultimate success, and I for one am extremely happy about it. Collateral damage will probably go with the territory. The only way we will forge a path to a second Premiership.

Whether he had much to do directly with Lethlean’s departure is open for debate. But it was probably more Lethlean’s problems that Ross’s. Didn’t want the CEO too near the football dept. Ross always going to win that one.

 

[Saints TV]

 

[Sainttony]

My view is the financial results are why Lethers was asked to leave. Compared to year before, very disappointing.

 

[PoppedCorn]

My view is that Lame Cornes always has been and always will be a complete turnip

 

[moirae42]

I thought the Prez pretty much summed up the whole thing.
CEO role no longer needed to have any involvement with football. Purely business.
Satan wanted football.
Hence, the mutual separation.

As for Ross having all the powers....
There really is no issue here as long as we keep showing improvement.
Still very early days as the club has really only just finished getting positions filled.

Who gives a **** anyway. Kane freakin Cornes looking for another cheap angle.

 

[sammm]

Thats believing that the media huff is factual, which I dont. Bassett and the current board are much smarter than that. Did you ever consider that perhaps Lethlean wasnt very good at his job/s?

as CEO ?

he got alot of sponsorships didn't he? or was that not on him?

 

[Mowman]

Pfft Kane Cornes

All I know is I enjoyed last year under RTB a shlt load more then any of the previous 10 years and we will only get better this year

 

[The Cobra]

The off-season so the media scratching about looking for angles and stories. Slim pickings.

Just on Ross. After the loss to GWS in the final his media appearances showed he was a shattered man in the following days. He was really hurting. Not satisfied at all that they had even got to the finals against the odds.

But his angst seemed to be directed more at himself and the coaches about how to better prepare. Even Chris Scott told him to calm down. Phenomenal standards and a very driven man. Very few people have the focus and energy to keep that up for any length of time.

Living with it as a colleague must be tough, but I think he’s mellowed to a degree. Lucky he seems to have extremely driven assistant coaches.

Doesn’t seem he will let much get in the way of ultimate success, and I for one am extremely happy about it. Collateral damage will probably go with the territory. The only way we will forge a path to a second Premiership.

Whether he had much to do directly with Lethlean’s departure is open for debate. But it was probably more Lethlean’s problems that Ross’s. Didn’t want the CEO too near the football dept. Ross always going to win that one.

One of the best posts I’ve read on here - bravo!