List Mgmt. 2024 Trade & List Management Thread - Part 3

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ferball said:
If we're gonna trade pick 2 we need to still have access to the better players in this draft don't we?
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Essentially yes. What some people are forgetting is that Brady has already said we would move back three or four spots in this draft if we got a good package AND THAT AROUND THAT PICK 6 SPOT IS ABOUT THE LIMIT, so in other words, any trades mentioned eg: swap of picks, we don't or aren't willing to go further back than that number. Unless I'm completely way off base here this very thought scenario is telling me for our first pick we have one of three players marked as our number one guy and I'll give my reasoning for & against.

First off, if we're happy to at least slide to around the pick 6 point then while every person or people have the players in different spots {opinions on the order in this draft} these players you would have to think are off the list because on draft night one would assume that they are going in the first five picks, now while maybe the odd player in this group may or may not, its a hell of a risk to take if our number one target is one of these players. Finn O'Sullivan, Jagga Smith, Sid Draper, Sam Lalor and Harvey Langford.

With father/sons and academy selections, this might push this order back a bit, but it wont matter player wise because the same players will still be available. Now to these three players, Harry Armstrong: key forward, versatile, repeat efforts, deadly shot for goal, great mark, team player and has shown what he can do in pressure situations, like winning the game with that winning kick + that national championships wasn't to bad either! Alix Tauru, a lot of potential and a lot to learn but boy can this lad play or what?

Some people are talking first round, quite simply put, if he's not selected in that first 10 I will be very surprised, and maybe Will & Brady are thinking the same thing, "The flying Viking" is not just moving up peoples boards, its now in "turbo mode". The last one is bit of a reach at our first pick but I guess it depends if its pick 2 or around the pick 6 number and if we can get the two picks that we want, also we might have mail that a few clubs are interested in him early and that's Jack Whitlock, the same could be applied to Jobe Shanahan but I feel Jacks potential is superior, but that's just my take on things, another key forward whose effort in "that final" in the national championships was really good, some or should I say many people that have Jack around the pick 20s mark in their drafts, I do find interesting, but that's good to have varying opinions.

Those three in my eye and from everything I've taken onboard seem the chosen ones or one when or if selected, my only other player I would entertain is someone I haven't heard linked to us "but gives us more run and carry" is a classy player and throws himself at everything, Tobie Travaglia, {I know people will say not another half back flanker} maybe just watch that national final between country and metro and watch the players mentioned, in that game, could it be someone else, you could make a case for Josh Smillie, but after that if its not midfielders you have small forwards and medium forwards and we are talking about our first pick, not our second pick, THE TOP OF WILL'S WHITEBOARD AND THE GUY INTERNALLY WE ARE SO FIXATED ON WE DONT WANT ANYONE ELSE TO GRAB HIM, to me that's one of those 3 players!🧐
 
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BlueandWhiteinmyBlood said:
If they were a decent club, which they aren’t - they would reflect on the goodwill we showed them trading them the most recent #1 pick at the time that they and his manager basically orchestrated. I’m okay with them wanting a decent price for Houston, previously stated this but it can’t be astronomical.
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I don't think we showed them goodwill. I think we wanted him out and also saw an opportunity to replace him and get Sheeze. I'd hope that if it was an option we'd have adding spitting in their face to the trade.
 
DONS' BID TO IMPROVE ON PICK NO.9 FAILS

Tim Michell
Essendon faces the prospect of a draft night disaster as its efforts to move up the order during the trade period prove fruitless.

The Bombers have tried to improve their position in the first round (currently No.9) as they seek to avoid having their top-10 pick swallowed up by an early bid for NGA prospect Isaac Kako.

Kako has been touted as a possible top-10 selection and if one of the clubs with a selection before Essendon bids on him, the Bombers will have to use selection nine to match.

St Kilda, which holds picks 7 and 8, has been said to hold interest in the gifted small forward.

“We explored that (moving up the draft order),” Bombers list manager Matt Rosa said.

“We have spoken to some clubs ahead of us to see if there’s the potential of moving up.

“But I think as time goes on, we’ve realised that it’s going to be hard to potentially move up in this draft (because) everyone is valuing those high picks.

“It’s something we will keep exploring but I would say unlikely at this stage.”


The Bombers have fielded interest from rival clubs about splitting pick nine for later selections in this year’s draft or future picks.

That would allow them to avoid losing pick nine, and its points value, if a club bids on Kako with one of the first eight selections.

“We’re just assessing all our options. We have had some offers and some interest in that pick nine, whether it be for us to move back and potentially move into the future.

“We’re in a position where we have just really got to listen to all opportunities.

“The pointy end of this draft is strong and it would need to be quite a special offer for us to consider giving up that pick nine, at this stage.”
 
giantroo said:
DONS' BID TO IMPROVE ON PICK NO.9 FAILS
Tim Michell
Essendon faces the prospect of a draft night disaster as its efforts to move up the order during the trade period prove fruitless.

The Bombers have tried to improve their position in the first round (currently No.9) as they seek to avoid having their top-10 pick swallowed up by an early bid for NGA prospect Isaac Kako.

Kako has been touted as a possible top-10 selection and if one of the clubs with a selection before Essendon bids on him, the Bombers will have to use selection nine to match.

St Kilda, which holds picks 7 and 8, has been said to hold interest in the gifted small forward.

“We explored that (moving up the draft order),” Bombers list manager Matt Rosa said.

“We have spoken to some clubs ahead of us to see if there’s the potential of moving up.

“But I think as time goes on, we’ve realised that it’s going to be hard to potentially move up in this draft (because) everyone is valuing those high picks.

“It’s something we will keep exploring but I would say unlikely at this stage.”


The Bombers have fielded interest from rival clubs about splitting pick nine for later selections in this year’s draft or future picks.

That would allow them to avoid losing pick nine, and its points value, if a club bids on Kako with one of the first eight selections.

“We’re just assessing all our options. We have had some offers and some interest in that pick nine, whether it be for us to move back and potentially move into the future.

“We’re in a position where we have just really got to listen to all opportunities.

“The pointy end of this draft is strong and it would need to be quite a special offer for us to consider giving up that pick nine, at this stage.”
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Bring back Dodo!!!
 
DEMETRIOU: TIME CLUBS TOOK BACK TRADE POWER

Tim Michell
The man who ran the AFL when free agency was introduced says it’s time for clubs to seize back some of the power from players.

Former AFL boss Andrew Demetriou said too many clubs were “bending over backwards” to make trades happen for players instead of holding them to contracts.

“I think it’s incumbent on the clubs to hold firm from time to time and if that means the club, a player is at a club and he’s dissatisfied or he doesn’t play, maybe that needs to happen once or twice,” he said.

“You have seen a club stand its ground with Tom Papley, for example, or Ryan O’Keefe and the player has gone on to bigger and better things. I just think we need to see more clubs holding their ground.”

Demetriou added: “I will be a bit brutal about this, but you can always say no. I see a lot of clubs bending over backwards.

They sign a player for five, six, seven years. Two or three years into the contract the club is not performing as well or (the player is) disenchanted, they want to leave.”

He said that “on balance” free agency “probably has worked”.

“You could make arguments for both I guess.

“You could say that a lot of free agents have gone to good clubs or have gone on to bigger and better things and that wasn’t the intention. But there have been some free agents that have gone to other clubs that have helped (them) climb the ladder. On balance, I think it’s a good thing,” Demetriou told 3AW.
 
The Nostradamus said:
can we make trade period 3 days next year
day 1 initial offers
day 2 counter offers
day 3 finalise trades
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If it was up to me.

You have 20 minutes….get it done.
 
The Talent Scout said:
Essentially yes. What some people are forgetting is that Brady has already said we would move back three or four spots in this draft if we got a good package AND THAT AROUND THAT PICK 6 SPOT IS ABOUT THE LIMIT, so in other words, any trades mentioned eg: swap of picks, we don't or aren't willing to go further back than that number. Unless I'm completely way off base here this very thought scenario is telling me for our first pick we have one of three players marked as our number one guy and I'll give my reasoning for & against.

First off, if we're happy to at least slide to around the pick 6 point then while every person or people have the players in different spots {opinions on the order in this draft} these players you would have to think are off the list because on draft night one would assume that they are going in the first five picks, now while maybe the odd player in this group may or may not, its a hell of a risk to take if our number one target is one of these players. Finn O'Sullivan, Jagga Smith, Sid Draper, Sam Lalor and Harvey Langford.

With father/sons and academy selections, this might push this order back a bit, but it wont matter player wise because the same players will still be available. Now to these three players, Harry Armstrong: key forward, versatile, repeat efforts, deadly shot for goal, great mark, team player and has shown what he can do in pressure situations, like winning the game with that winning kick + that national championships wasn't to bad either! Alix Tauru, a lot of potential and a lot to learn but boy can this lad play or what?

Some people are talking first round, quite simply put, if he's not selected in that first 10 I will be very surprised, and maybe Will & Brady are thinking the same thing, "The flying Viking" is not just moving up peoples boards, its now in "turbo mode". The last one is bit of a reach at our first pick but I guess it depends if its pick 2 or around the pick 6 number and if we can get the two picks that we want, also we might have mail that a few clubs are interested in him early and that's Jack Whitlock, the same could be applied to Jobe Shanahan but I feel Jacks potential is superior, but that's just my take on things, another key forward whose effort in "that final" in the national championships was really good, some or should I say many people that have Jack around the pick 20s mark in their drafts, I do find interesting, but that's good to have varying opinions.

Those three in my eye and from everything I've taken onboard seem the chosen ones or one when or if selected, my only other player I would entertain is someone I haven't heard linked to us "but gives us more run and carry" is a classy player and throws himself at everything, {I know people will say not another half back flanker} maybe just watch that national final between country and metro and watch the players mentioned, in that game, could it be someone else, you could make a case for Josh Smillie, but after that if its not midfielders you have small forwards and medium forwards and we are talking about our first pick, not our second pick, THE TOP OF WILL'S WHITEBOARD AND THE GUY INTERNALLY WE ARE SO FIXATED ON WE DONT WANTANYONE ELSE TO GRAB HIM, to me that's those3 players!🧐
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The fact we're also only willing to slide from 2 to 6 means our link to Bombers pick 9 and 11 from Freo mean our F1 is probably likely to get traded to target perhaps one of Tauru/Whitlock twins/Shanahan/Gerreyn?
The "5 years of drafting" comment from Brady tells me we're keen to load up on a few extra kid(s) 12 months earlier or for an established talent like Houston plus another draft pick back. Does that mean it's the last draft we look at heavily?

Now whether we both slide from 2 and trade the F1 at the same time I'm not sure. Bit of a risk trading the F1 for 9 or 11 and change for a top 4 future 1st but I'd guess they really want that player(s).
I guess the ability to trade two sets of future picks gives us some options to get back in next year.
 
GS WARRIORS said:
And your best mate has lots of money and a big personality.
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And your on the sausage roll, waiting every two weeks for that fix of money that lasts a week and then your broke again, and when she asks you if you want to go watch a movie or do something else that requires money you throw out one of the stupidest excuses going around and then wonder why he gets her in the end! :p
 

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DONS' BID TO IMPROVE ON PICK NO.9 FAILS
Tim Michell
Essendon faces the prospect of a draft night disaster as its efforts to move up the order during the trade period prove fruitless.

The Bombers have tried to improve their position in the first round (currently No.9) as they seek to avoid having their top-10 pick swallowed up by an early bid for NGA prospect Isaac Kako.

Kako has been touted as a possible top-10 selection and if one of the clubs with a selection before Essendon bids on him, the Bombers will have to use selection nine to match.

St Kilda, which holds picks 7 and 8, has been said to hold interest in the gifted small forward.

“We explored that (moving up the draft order),” Bombers list manager Matt Rosa said.

“We have spoken to some clubs ahead of us to see if there’s the potential of moving up.

“But I think as time goes on, we’ve realised that it’s going to be hard to potentially move up in this draft (because) everyone is valuing those high picks.

“It’s something we will keep exploring but I would say unlikely at this stage.”


The Bombers have fielded interest from rival clubs about splitting pick nine for later selections in this year’s draft or future picks.

That would allow them to avoid losing pick nine, and its points value, if a club bids on Kako with one of the first eight selections.

“We’re just assessing all our options. We have had some offers and some interest in that pick nine, whether it be for us to move back and potentially move into the future.

“We’re in a position where we have just really got to listen to all opportunities.

“The pointy end of this draft is strong and it would need to be quite a special offer for us to consider giving up that pick nine, at this stage.”
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St Kilda have the opportunity to do the funniest thing on draft night
 
jaspers_barber said:
Considering we have about a 9% hit rate with second rounders over the past 25 years, I’m not too concerned about handing it over for Daniel, but something back would be nice
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Maybe we should draft better?
Trading in garden gnome fringe players instead is kinda like doubling down on the incompetence.
 
If we can't get Parker done for 66 and a F4, split 44 or swap F3's or 44 for their F3 (we could then move our own F3).
Could also say we'll give you pick 44 but only if we upgrade of pick 25 to Swans pick 19.
That would value Parker around pick 50 (will come in to mid/late 40's depending on bids).
Just a thought I had but I'd love to keep 44 obviously as it will drop to 37-40 with bids. We'll see what happens.
 
Cyber_punk said:
I don't know, just a feeling going off what's been reported. Could be wrong and this time next week things are different but I just can't see it.
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North is viewed as the old folks retirement home for footballers who wish to fade away, where most players swaps clubs to play in finals. Where despite all the white noise around JHF, the North and Port list management team get on very well together.

So the Port team must convince Dan he owes it to Port to facilitate the best trade.
 
giantroo said:
DONS' BID TO IMPROVE ON PICK NO.9 FAILS
Tim Michell
Essendon faces the prospect of a draft night disaster as its efforts to move up the order during the trade period prove fruitless.

The Bombers have tried to improve their position in the first round (currently No.9) as they seek to avoid having their top-10 pick swallowed up by an early bid for NGA prospect Isaac Kako.

Kako has been touted as a possible top-10 selection and if one of the clubs with a selection before Essendon bids on him, the Bombers will have to use selection nine to match.

St Kilda, which holds picks 7 and 8, has been said to hold interest in the gifted small forward.

“We explored that (moving up the draft order),” Bombers list manager Matt Rosa said.

“We have spoken to some clubs ahead of us to see if there’s the potential of moving up.

“But I think as time goes on, we’ve realised that it’s going to be hard to potentially move up in this draft (because) everyone is valuing those high picks.

“It’s something we will keep exploring but I would say unlikely at this stage.”


The Bombers have fielded interest from rival clubs about splitting pick nine for later selections in this year’s draft or future picks.

That would allow them to avoid losing pick nine, and its points value, if a club bids on Kako with one of the first eight selections.

“We’re just assessing all our options. We have had some offers and some interest in that pick nine, whether it be for us to move back and potentially move into the future.

“We’re in a position where we have just really got to listen to all opportunities.

“The pointy end of this draft is strong and it would need to be quite a special offer for us to consider giving up that pick nine, at this stage.”
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Our F1 for 9 this year?
 
Passmore said:
You'd expect something back if we're parting with 2, not handing over extras.

I'd love to have him, but I wouldn't be doing that.

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If Brady did that I don’t think even his biggest fans could justifiably defend him.

Thankfully I don’t think he would.
 
The Nostradamus said:
i don't know if you actually have a source but lets say you do

any other inside info on targets?

any names not mentioned so far?

the plan for pick 2?
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Only info I have thus far is Port are asking way overs for Houston and we initially planned to split pick 2 and use one of those on getting him over.

Based on what has been told recently, we're not getting Houston unless something changes dramatically. Don't have any info on other targets.

North is a tight ship nowadays.
 
 
giantroo said:



KEY MEETINGS PAVE WAY FOR HOUSTON PIES MOVE

Jon Ralph

Collingwood is still the resounding favourite to secure Dan Houston as it is urged to hand over pick 23 as well as No.13 to secure the dual All Australian Port Adelaide defender.

Carlton has now all but been ruled out of the race for Houston given its determination to return to the draft, with extensive meetings on Wednesday between Houston’s management, Port Adelaide and Collingwood.

North Melbourne is still in a distant second place but not officially out of the race given it is prepared to hand over a future first-rounder for Houston.

The 27-year-old is keen to play for Collingwood and if the Pies relent on some of their trade demands they will get that deal done by the end of the trade period.

He has not officially declared he wants to play for the Pies given he needs to keep his options open but Collingwood is confident he is their preferred destination.

Collingwood would like to hand over John Noble and the Pies future first-rounder for Gold Coast’s picks 13 and 23, but the Suns are not happy with that deal.

In the end the Pies might have to hand over another later selection to get that deal done.

But if the Pies secured this year’s 13 and 23 they could hand them to the Power for Houston, who would accept that deal along with Collingwood’s Joe Richards.

So while the Pies might feel they are handing over too much for Houston, the net gain of their trade period would be securing two ready-made players while they were in the window.

They have secured GWS defender Harry Perryman as a free agent.

The Pies know their future first-rounder next year might start at pick 15 but be blown out by up to 10 spots given the avalanche of academy prospects which will be bid on by northern states clubs.

Clubs are already preparing for the academy prospects to dominate early selections given their strong form in recent national championships for the Allies side.
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Carlton is like a flacid penis in a mass orgy, why did they even bother to enter the race if they their first round pick wasn't available, did they think they could get the deal done with a second round pick?
 
chubbspeterson said:
The fact we're also only willing to slide from 2 to 6 means our link to Bombers pick 9 and 11 from Freo mean our F1 is probably likely to get traded to target perhaps one of Tauru/Whitlock twins/Shanahan/Gerreyn?
The "5 years of drafting" comment from Brady tells me we're keen to load up on a few extra kid(s) 12 months earlier or for an established talent like Houston plus another draft pick back. Does that mean it's the last draft we look at heavily?

Now whether we both slide from 2 and trade the F1 at the same time I'm not sure. Bit of a risk trading the F1 for 9 or 11 and change for a top 4 future 1st but I'd guess they really want that player(s).
I guess the ability to trade two sets of future picks gives us some options to get back in next year.
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I don't think that we will get a full understanding of the pick swap landscape until Richmond conclude their trades. They surely won't roll the dice on using all picks in this draft.
Our future first would be attractive not only to them, but also clubs banking on us finishing near the bottom and the pick getting ahead of all the academy and FS picks next year.
 
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