List Mgmt. 2024 Trade & List Management Thread - Part 3

giantroo · Oct 4, 2024

Picks	Clubs	Result
15-10-24 - Pick Trade	StKilda & Brisbane	Brisbane receives St Kilda's R2 (27) Pick St Kilda receives Brisbane's R2 (32,45) Picks
14-10-24 - Pick Trade	Melbourne & Essendon	Melbourne receives Essendon's R1 (9), 2025 R3 Pick Essendon receives Melbourne's 2025 F1, 2024 R2 (28,40), R3(46,54), R4 (65) Picks
14-10-24 - Pick Trade	Melbourne & Adelaide	Adelaide receives Melbourne's 2025 3R Pick Melbourne receives Adelaide's 2024 3R(46) Pick
11-10-24 - Pick Trade	Brisbane & Richmond	Richmond receives Brisbane's 1R Pick (pick 20) Brisbane receives Richmond's 2R (32,42), 3R (43,45) Picks
11-10-24 - Pick Trade	Carlton & Brisbane	Carlton receives Brisbane's R4 (73), 2025 R2 Pick Brisbane receives Carlton's R2(34), R4(66)
11-10-24 - Pick Trade	Carlton & Hawthorn	Carlton receives Hawthorn's R1(14) pick Hawthorn receives Carlton's 2025 R1, R2 (tied to Carlton) picks

Player	Original Club	Trade/FA	New Club	Result
Dan Houston Jack Lukosius 13 Jack Lukosius Age 24 Ht 195cm Wt 91kg Pos. D/F Career Season Last 5 D 14.8 4 K 11.5 4 HB 3.3 3 M 3.4 3 T 1.8 4 MG 369.3 5 D 14.8 4 K 11.5 4 HB 3.3 2 M 3.4 3 T 1.8 3 MG 369.3 5 D 13.6 4 K 11.2 4 HB 2.4 3 M 4.2 4 T 2.2 4 MG 358.0 5 Joe Richards Rory Atkins 2 Rory Atkins Age 30 Ht 185cm Wt 82kg Pos. Def Career Season Last 5 D 19.9 5 K 12.1 4 HB 7.9 5 M 4.6 4 T 1.9 4 MG 367.4 5 D 9.0 2 K 5.0 2 HB 4.0 3 M 0.3 1 T 2.7 4 MG 147.7 3 D 14.2 4 K 8.8 4 HB 5.4 4 M 4.0 4 T 1.2 3 MG 217.8 4 John Noble 9 John Noble Age 27 Ht 180cm Wt 72kg Pos. Def Career Season Last 5 D 16.3 4 K 9.2 4 HB 7.1 4 M 3.5 4 T 2.0 4 MG 186.1 3 D 14.2 3 K 7.7 3 HB 6.5 4 M 3.2 3 T 1.8 3 MG 149.7 3 D 18.8 5 K 11.0 4 HB 7.8 5 M 4.0 4 T 2.2 4 MG 229.8 4	Port Adelaide Gold Coast Collingwood Gold Coast Collingwood	Trade	Collingwood Port Adelaide Port Adelaide Port Adelaide Gold Coast	Port Adelaide receives GC's R1(13),GC R2(29,36), GC R3(50) Picks, Jack Lukosius 13 Jack Lukosius Age 24 Ht 195cm Wt 91kg Pos. D/F Career Season Last 5 D 14.8 4 K 11.5 4 HB 3.3 3 M 3.4 3 T 1.8 4 MG 369.3 5 D 14.8 4 K 11.5 4 HB 3.3 2 M 3.4 3 T 1.8 3 MG 369.3 5 D 13.6 4 K 11.2 4 HB 2.4 3 M 4.2 4 T 2.2 4 MG 358.0 5 , Joe Richards, Rory Atkins 2 Rory Atkins Age 30 Ht 185cm Wt 82kg Pos. Def Career Season Last 5 D 19.9 5 K 12.1 4 HB 7.9 5 M 4.6 4 T 1.9 4 MG 367.4 5 D 9.0 2 K 5.0 2 HB 4.0 3 M 0.3 1 T 2.7 4 MG 147.7 3 D 14.2 4 K 8.8 4 HB 5.4 4 M 4.0 4 T 1.2 3 MG 217.8 4 Gold Coast receives Collingwood's 2025 F1, PA's 2025 F1, PA R2(39) Collingwood receive Dan Houston 5 Dan Houston Age 27 Ht 186cm Wt 88kg Pos. Def Career Season Last 5 D 18.2 5 K 11.8 4 HB 6.4 4 M 4.9 5 T 3.0 5 MG 289.2 4 D 17.6 4 K 11.6 4 HB 6.0 3 M 3.3 3 T 3.4 4 MG 319.9 5 D 16.6 4 K 12.4 5 HB 4.2 4 M 7.0 5 T 2.6 4 MG 279.8 5 , PA R4(58)
Matt Owies Liam Baker 7 Liam Baker Age 26 Ht 173cm Wt 72kg Pos. D/F Career Season Last 5 D 15.7 4 K 7.8 3 HB 7.9 5 M 3.2 3 T 2.6 4 MG 222.2 3 D 14.6 4 K 6.8 3 HB 7.9 4 M 3.8 4 T 1.8 3 MG 191.9 3 D 14.4 4 K 6.2 3 HB 8.2 5 M 1.6 2 T 1.8 4 MG 224.2 4	Carlton & Richmond	Trade	West Coast	Round 1 pick (3), Round 4 (63,68) to Carlton Round 1 Pick (14) to Richmond Round 1 Pick(12), R4 (73) to WCE Liam Baker 7 Liam Baker Age 26 Ht 173cm Wt 72kg Pos. D/F Career Season Last 5 D 15.7 4 K 7.8 3 HB 7.9 5 M 3.2 3 T 2.6 4 MG 222.2 3 D 14.6 4 K 6.8 3 HB 7.9 4 M 3.8 4 T 1.8 3 MG 191.9 3 D 14.4 4 K 6.2 3 HB 8.2 5 M 1.6 2 T 1.8 4 MG 224.2 4 to WCE Matt Owies to WCE
Isaac Cumming	GWS	UFA	Adelaide	End of Round 1 Compo (pick 21) to GWS
Josh Battle	St Kilda	UFA	Hawthorn	Round 1 Compo (Pick 8) to St.Kilda
Tom Campbell	St Kilda	DFA	Melbourne	No Compensation
Harry Perryman	GWS	UFA	Collingwood	Round 1 Compo (Pick 16) to GWS
Elliott Himmelberg	Adelaide	UFA	Gold Coast	No Compensation
Nick Haynes	GWS	UFA	Carlton	No Compensation
Alex Neal-Bullen	Melbourne	Trade	Adelaide	Round 2 Pick (28) to Melbourne
Jack Darling	West Coast	Trade	North Melbourne	Round 4 pick (68) to WCE
Jack Graham	Richmond	UFA	West Coast	End of Round 2 Compo (Pick 42) to Richmond

Collingwood get Houston and Pick 58 and give up: a future first round pick, Joe Richards to Port and John Noble to Gold Coast

Port get Jack Lukosius, Richards, Rory Atkins, picks 13, 29, 36 and 50 in this year’s draft while letting Houston go to Collingwood, their future first round pick, pick 39 in this year’s goes to Gold Coast and pick 58 goes to Collingwood.

Gold Coast get Noble, a future first round pick from each of Collingwood and Port Adelaide, and pick 39 (received from Port), while the Suns send Lukosius and Atkins, picks 13, 29 and 50 to Port Adelaide.
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St Kilda trade its Round Two selection (currently 27) to the Brisbane Lions for its Round Two selection (currently 32) and its Round Three selection (currently 45) in the 2024 Telstra AFL Draft.
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Three club trade approved.Richmond trade Liam Baker to the West Coast Eagles.West Coast Eagles trade its Round One selection (currently 3) and both its Round Four selections (currently 63 and 68) in the 2024 Telstra AFL Draft to Carlton.
Carlton trade Matthew Owies, its Round One selection (currently 12) and its Round Four selection (currently 73) to West Coast Eagles. Carlton trade its Round One selection (currently 14 ) to Richmond.
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Melbourne trade its two 2024 Round 2 selections (currently 28 and 40), two 2024 Round 3 selections (currently 46 and 54), its 2024 Round 4 selection (currently 65) and its 2025 Round 1 selection to Essendon.
Essendon trade its 2024 Round 1 selection (currently 9) and its 2025 Round 3 selection in the 2024 and 2025 Telstra AFL Drafts respectively to Melbourne.
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Melbourne trade its 2025 Round 3 selection to the Adelaide Crows for its 2024 Round 3 selection (currently 46) in the 2024 and 2025 Telstra AFL Drafts respectively.
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Brisbane trade its 2024 Round 1 selection (currently 20) to Richmond for two 2024 Round 2 selections (currently 32 and 42) and two 2024 Round 3 selections (currently 43 and 45) in the 2024 Telstra AFL Draft.
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Carlton trade its 2024 Round 2 selection (currently 34) and 2024 Round 4 selection (currently 66) to Brisbane for its 2024 Round 4 selection (currently 73) and 2025 Round 2 selection in the 2024 and 2025 Telstra AFL Drafts respectively.
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Carlton trade its 2025 Round 1 selection and 2025 Round 2 selection (tied to Carlton) to Hawthorn for its 2024 Round 1 selection (currently 14) in the 2024 and 2025 Telstra AFL Drafts respectively.

ferball · 2024-10-15T14:35:41+1100

kirbonavich said:
Racism scandal, TT saga. Houston as an Aboriginal man would be taking this into consideration.

Also Jy as captain.

Disco Dew · 2024-10-15T14:35:53+1100

DuckYeah said:
Anyone else just quick scroll looking for GR posts?

Always

Jeremy Jordan · 2024-10-15T14:37:07+1100

roos_fanatic08 said:
The ones we've picked were crap...but the players picked after them turned out to be good....They are more historical picks though. Like Mahony/Perez over Chad Warner for example.

That’s sort of where I’m getting at. To me, pick 25 has the same value as pick 40, as the odds of you picking a good player in that range seems pretty similar. Bloody hard. We have missed on plenty, but so have other, better list building teams.
So if north had pick 40 for Daniel’s, I think that would be easier for fans to swallow. We seem to look at pick 25 as some can’t miss, will be good, selection spot. To me 25 and 40 have nearly the same value.

New_Roo · 2024-10-15T14:37:41+1100

Event Horizon said:
I think he's refering to Dogs having to finalize McRae and Smith deals

That makes more sense... smith will be down to the wire you would think

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Chadwiko · 2024-10-15T14:38:13+1100

kirbonavich said:
Racism scandal, TT saga. Houston as an Aboriginal man would be taking this into consideration.

Both The Warlord and I were curious about this recently, but from what I can tell, Houston is not actually an Indigenous Australia.

He's not included on the AFL Players Association list of indigenous players;

AFL Players’ Indigenous Map 2023

The 2023 AFL Players’ Indigenous Map celebrates proudly displays the cultural diversity across both the AFL and AFLW competitions, featuring a total of 64 language groups. It serves as a celebration…

www.aflplayers.com.au

(it doesn't matter one way or another of course, but just a point of order).

Samsquanch · 2024-10-15T14:39:22+1100

cardje said:
North has offered Harley Reid 1.6 million a year for 10 years. We will give West Coast pick 2 and F1

That would be enough to make me homesick.

Sillygit · 2024-10-15T14:39:37+1100

GoRoos2023 said:
Ah that Gold Coast win!!

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archereleven · 2024-10-15T14:40:34+1100

DuckYeah said:
Anyone else just quick scroll looking for GR posts?

I'm looking for outrage or celebratory posts...

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verypoorboy · 2024-10-15T14:42:05+1100

archereleven said:
Yes, I would.

Houston is a jet.

That is known. What isn't known is what the players listed will do over their AFL careers.

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Houston will be 28yo early next season. So we have realistically maybe 3-4 good years with him.

Look at that list below. How many of those pick #3&4 pick players would you prefer for 13-14yrs over only 3-4 from Houston?
I think outside of the few busts, I would personally take most of those names on that list for the entirety of their career over an aging Houston that I was only getting in the twilight years of his.

Tiberius · 2024-10-15T14:44:14+1100

DuckYeah said:
Anyone else just quick scroll looking for GR posts?

I mostly just check back in looking for Konstanty updates.

The Dingrel · 2024-10-15T14:45:09+1100

Makeshift Park said:
We're the stalking horse to distract Houston and his management from the likely outcome he stays in the exact same club he's been in all along?

archereleven · 2024-10-15T14:46:05+1100

verypoorboy said:
Houston will be 28yo early next season. So we have realistically maybe 3-4 good years with him.

Look at that list below. How many of those pick #3&4 pick players would you prefer for 13-14yrs over only 3-4 from Houston?
I think outside of the few busts, I would personally take most of those names on that list for the entirety of their career over an aging Houston that I was only getting in the twilight years of his.

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I don't care. I want to win so we can keep existing talent on the list.

Houston is resilient, and I'm confident we will get 100+ games out of him

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Psicosis · 2024-10-15T14:47:09+1100

Event Horizon said:
No, it is because Picks 30-45 take longer to develop typically, and we don't want to be losing LDU or wait till Larkey retires before those draftees are ready to contribute in a meaningful way. There comes a time when you need to start to worry about winning, knowing that the building blocks are in place and are just about ready to deliver. There are a few holes remaining and those need to be filled with ready-made players if we want to get back to being a football club instead of player development facility.

Wasn't Paul Curtis Pick 35? 2nd highest goal kicker in 2024 as a 21 year old...

The justification that second round picks take longer to develop so they shouldn't be prioritized is just bullsh*t.

Jimmy's Hot Dogs · 2024-10-15T14:47:49+1100

Tiberius said:
I mostly just check back in looking for Konstanty updates.

I Konstanty do that myself.

Trade week ruins your brain.

AnEmptyChair · 2024-10-15T14:49:10+1100

Have we signed Leigh Montagna yet?

LeFtBehinD · 2024-10-15T14:49:12+1100

verypoorboy said:
Houston will be 28yo early next season. So we have realistically maybe 3-4 good years with him.

Look at that list below. How many of those pick #3&4 pick players would you prefer for 13-14yrs over only 3-4 from Houston?
I think outside of the few busts, I would personally take most of those names on that list for the entirety of their career over an aging Houston that I was only getting in the twilight years of his.

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Any player we draft will take 3-4 years before we even know if they have Houston potential. That has to be considered if you're trying to compare the two.

ferball · 2024-10-15T14:51:05+1100

giantroo said:
Someone just spotted T.Viney in WA...

Are we trading him to WC for pick 12???

Chadwiko · 2024-10-15T14:52:18+1100

ferball said:
Are we trading him to WC for pick 12???

Hands off our Todd.

(Seriously, our eventual climb up the ladder will be directly tied to Viney's off-field work behind the scenes. The man is INTEGRAL and doing a fantastic job).

giantroo · 2024-10-15T14:53:04+1100

Merlin007 · 2024-10-15T14:53:49+1100

AnEmptyChair said:
Have we signed Leigh Montagna yet?

I'd take him as an oppo analyst; good footy brain

gokangas · 2024-10-15T14:54:08+1100

BlueandWhiteinmyBlood said:
Any more to that GK?

No idea - wasn't my rumour. You would think by now something would have leaked this late in proceedings, if true.

Merlin007 · 2024-10-15T14:54:31+1100

giantroo said:

that makes sense; replace Macrae

DarkPhoenix · 2024-10-15T14:55:03+1100

Jade Rawlings picks himself up a new job at Freo

Chadwiko · 2024-10-15T14:55:06+1100

Lol Rawlings.

ferball · 2024-10-15T14:55:33+1100

Makeshift Park said:
Gun to the head, for where our list is at, yep I would take Houston over any 18 year old midfielders who will like be 5th or 6th or 7th in line for a rotation, unless they have absolutely exceptional qualities to the level of Kerch or Wardlaw, which none of those you've listed have.

Armstrong and Tauru are not mids but could be fantastic KPPs.

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