List Mgmt. 2024 Trade & List Management Thread - Part 3

[giantroo]

Spoiler: Confirmed Trades - Update - 15th October

Picks	Clubs	Result
15-10-24 - Pick Trade	StKilda & Brisbane	Brisbane receives St Kilda's R2 (27) Pick St Kilda receives Brisbane's R2 (32,45) Picks
14-10-24 - Pick Trade	Melbourne & Essendon	Melbourne receives Essendon's R1 (9), 2025 R3 Pick Essendon receives Melbourne's 2025 F1, 2024 R2 (28,40), R3(46,54), R4 (65) Picks
14-10-24 - Pick Trade	Melbourne & Adelaide	Adelaide receives Melbourne's 2025 3R Pick Melbourne receives Adelaide's 2024 3R(46) Pick
11-10-24 - Pick Trade	Brisbane & Richmond	Richmond receives Brisbane's 1R Pick (pick 20) Brisbane receives Richmond's 2R (32,42), 3R (43,45) Picks
11-10-24 - Pick Trade	Carlton & Brisbane	Carlton receives Brisbane's R4 (73), 2025 R2 Pick Brisbane receives Carlton's R2(34), R4(66)
11-10-24 - Pick Trade	Carlton & Hawthorn	Carlton receives Hawthorn's R1(14) pick Hawthorn receives Carlton's 2025 R1, R2 (tied to Carlton) picks

Player	Original Club	Trade/FA	New Club	Result
Harry Sharp	Brisbane & Melbourne	Trade	Melbourne	Melbourne receives Brisbane's Harry Sharp, 2025 R3 pick (tied to Brisbane) Brisbane receives Melbourne's 2024 R3(49), 2025 R3 pick (tied to Essendon).
Dan Houston Jack Lukosius 13 Jack Lukosius Age 24 Ht 195cm Wt 91kg Pos. D/F Career Season Last 5 D 14.8 4star K 11.5 4star HB 3.3 3star M 3.4 3star T 1.8 4star MG 369.3 5star D 14.8 4star K 11.5 4star HB 3.3 2star M 3.4 3star T 1.8 3star MG 369.3 5star D 13.6 4star K 11.2 4star HB 2.4 3star M 4.2 4star T 2.2 4star MG 358.0 5star Joe Richards Rory Atkins 2 Rory Atkins Age 30 Ht 185cm Wt 82kg Pos. Def Career Season Last 5 D 19.9 5star K 12.1 4star HB 7.9 5star M 4.6 4star T 1.9 4star MG 367.4 5star D 9.0 2star K 5.0 2star HB 4.0 3star M 0.3 1star T 2.7 4star MG 147.7 3star D 14.2 4star K 8.8 4star HB 5.4 4star M 4.0 4star T 1.2 3star MG 217.8 4star John Noble 9 John Noble Age 27 Ht 180cm Wt 72kg Pos. Def Career Season Last 5 D 16.3 4star K 9.2 4star HB 7.1 4star M 3.5 4star T 2.0 4star MG 186.1 3star D 14.2 3star K 7.7 3star HB 6.5 4star M 3.2 3star T 1.8 3star MG 149.7 3star D 18.8 5star K 11.0 4star HB 7.8 5star M 4.0 4star T 2.2 4star MG 229.8 4star	Port Adelaide Gold Coast Collingwood Gold Coast Collingwood	Trade	Collingwood Port Adelaide Port Adelaide Port Adelaide Gold Coast	Port Adelaide receives GC's R1(13),GC R2(29,36), GC R3(50) Picks, Jack Lukosius 13 Jack Lukosius Age 24 Ht 195cm Wt 91kg Pos. D/F Career Season Last 5 D 14.8 4star K 11.5 4star HB 3.3 3star M 3.4 3star T 1.8 4star MG 369.3 5star D 14.8 4star K 11.5 4star HB 3.3 2star M 3.4 3star T 1.8 3star MG 369.3 5star D 13.6 4star K 11.2 4star HB 2.4 3star M 4.2 4star T 2.2 4star MG 358.0 5star , Joe Richards, Rory Atkins 2 Rory Atkins Age 30 Ht 185cm Wt 82kg Pos. Def Career Season Last 5 D 19.9 5star K 12.1 4star HB 7.9 5star M 4.6 4star T 1.9 4star MG 367.4 5star D 9.0 2star K 5.0 2star HB 4.0 3star M 0.3 1star T 2.7 4star MG 147.7 3star D 14.2 4star K 8.8 4star HB 5.4 4star M 4.0 4star T 1.2 3star MG 217.8 4star Gold Coast receives Collingwood's 2025 F1, PA's 2025 F1, PA R2(39) Collingwood receive Dan Houston 5 Dan Houston Age 27 Ht 186cm Wt 88kg Pos. Def Career Season Last 5 D 18.2 5star K 11.8 4star HB 6.4 4star M 4.9 5star T 3.0 5star MG 289.2 4star D 17.6 4star K 11.6 4star HB 6.0 3star M 3.3 3star T 3.4 4star MG 319.9 5star D 16.6 4star K 12.4 5star HB 4.2 4star M 7.0 5star T 2.6 4star MG 279.8 5star , PA R4(58)
Matt Owies Liam Baker 7 Liam Baker Age 26 Ht 173cm Wt 72kg Pos. D/F Career Season Last 5 D 15.7 4star K 7.8 3star HB 7.9 5star M 3.2 3star T 2.6 4star MG 222.2 3star D 14.6 4star K 6.8 3star HB 7.9 4star M 3.8 4star T 1.8 3star MG 191.9 3star D 14.4 4star K 6.2 3star HB 8.2 5star M 1.6 2star T 1.8 4star MG 224.2 4star	Carlton & Richmond	Trade	West Coast	Round 1 pick (3), Round 4 (63,68) to Carlton Round 1 Pick (14) to Richmond Round 1 Pick(12), R4 (73) to WCE Liam Baker 7 Liam Baker Age 26 Ht 173cm Wt 72kg Pos. D/F Career Season Last 5 D 15.7 4star K 7.8 3star HB 7.9 5star M 3.2 3star T 2.6 4star MG 222.2 3star D 14.6 4star K 6.8 3star HB 7.9 4star M 3.8 4star T 1.8 3star MG 191.9 3star D 14.4 4star K 6.2 3star HB 8.2 5star M 1.6 2star T 1.8 4star MG 224.2 4star to WCE Matt Owies to WCE
Isaac Cumming	GWS	UFA	Adelaide	End of Round 1 Compo (pick 21) to GWS
Josh Battle	St Kilda	UFA	Hawthorn	Round 1 Compo (Pick 8) to St.Kilda
Tom Campbell	St Kilda	DFA	Melbourne	No Compensation
Harry Perryman	GWS	UFA	Collingwood	Round 1 Compo (Pick 16) to GWS
Elliott Himmelberg	Adelaide	UFA	Gold Coast	No Compensation
Nick Haynes	GWS	UFA	Carlton	No Compensation
Alex Neal-Bullen	Melbourne	Trade	Adelaide	Round 2 Pick (28) to Melbourne
Jack Darling	West Coast	Trade	North Melbourne	Round 4 pick (68) to WCE
Jack Graham	Richmond	UFA	West Coast	End of Round 2 Compo (Pick 42) to Richmond

Brisbane Lions trade Harry Sharp and its 2025 Round 3 pick (tied to Brisbane) to Melbourne for its 2024 Round 3 pick (currently 49) and its 2025 Round 3 pick (tied to Essendon).
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Collingwood get Houston and Pick 58 and give up: a future first round pick, Joe Richards to Port and John Noble

9

John Noble

Age

27

Ht

180cm

Wt

72kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

16.3

4star

K

9.2

4star

HB

7.1

4star

M

3.5

4star

T

2.0

4star

MG

186.1

3star

D

14.2

3star

K

7.7

3star

HB

6.5

4star

M

3.2

3star

T

1.8

3star

MG

149.7

3star

D

18.8

5star

K

11.0

4star

HB

7.8

5star

M

4.0

4star

T

2.2

4star

MG

229.8

4star

to Gold Coast

Port get Jack Lukosius

13

Jack Lukosius

Age

24

Ht

195cm

Wt

91kg

Pos.

D/F

Career

Season

Last 5

D

14.8

4star

K

11.5

4star

HB

3.3

3star

M

3.4

3star

T

1.8

4star

MG

369.3

5star

D

14.8

4star

K

11.5

4star

HB

3.3

2star

M

3.4

3star

T

1.8

3star

MG

369.3

5star

D

13.6

4star

K

11.2

4star

HB

2.4

3star

M

4.2

4star

T

2.2

4star

MG

358.0

5star

, Richards, Rory Atkins

2

Rory Atkins

Age

30

Ht

185cm

Wt

82kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

19.9

5star

K

12.1

4star

HB

7.9

5star

M

4.6

4star

T

1.9

4star

MG

367.4

5star

D

9.0

2star

K

5.0

2star

HB

4.0

3star

M

0.3

1star

T

2.7

4star

MG

147.7

3star

D

14.2

4star

K

8.8

4star

HB

5.4

4star

M

4.0

4star

T

1.2

3star

MG

217.8

4star

, picks 13, 29, 36 and 50 in this year’s draft while letting Houston go to Collingwood, their future first round pick, pick 39 in this year’s goes to Gold Coast and pick 58 goes to Collingwood.

Gold Coast get Noble, a future first round pick from each of Collingwood and Port Adelaide, and pick 39 (received from Port), while the Suns send Lukosius and Atkins, picks 13, 29 and 50 to Port Adelaide.
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St Kilda trade its Round Two selection (currently 27) to the Brisbane Lions for its Round Two selection (currently 32) and its Round Three selection (currently 45) in the 2024 Telstra AFL Draft.
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Three club trade approved.Richmond trade Liam Baker

7

Liam Baker

Age

26

Ht

173cm

Wt

72kg

Pos.

D/F

Career

Season

Last 5

D

15.7

4star

K

7.8

3star

HB

7.9

5star

M

3.2

3star

T

2.6

4star

MG

222.2

3star

D

14.6

4star

K

6.8

3star

HB

7.9

4star

M

3.8

4star

T

1.8

3star

MG

191.9

3star

D

14.4

4star

K

6.2

3star

HB

8.2

5star

M

1.6

2star

T

1.8

4star

MG

224.2

4star

to the West Coast Eagles.West Coast Eagles trade its Round One selection (currently 3) and both its Round Four selections (currently 63 and 68) in the 2024 Telstra AFL Draft to Carlton.
Carlton trade Matthew Owies, its Round One selection (currently 12) and its Round Four selection (currently 73) to West Coast Eagles. Carlton trade its Round One selection (currently 14 ) to Richmond.
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Melbourne trade its two 2024 Round 2 selections (currently 28 and 40), two 2024 Round 3 selections (currently 46 and 54), its 2024 Round 4 selection (currently 65) and its 2025 Round 1 selection to Essendon.
Essendon trade its 2024 Round 1 selection (currently 9) and its 2025 Round 3 selection in the 2024 and 2025 Telstra AFL Drafts respectively to Melbourne.
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Melbourne trade its 2025 Round 3 selection to the Adelaide Crows for its 2024 Round 3 selection (currently 46) in the 2024 and 2025 Telstra AFL Drafts respectively.
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Brisbane trade its 2024 Round 1 selection (currently 20) to Richmond for two 2024 Round 2 selections (currently 32 and 42) and two 2024 Round 3 selections (currently 43 and 45) in the 2024 Telstra AFL Draft.
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Carlton trade its 2024 Round 2 selection (currently 34) and 2024 Round 4 selection (currently 66) to Brisbane for its 2024 Round 4 selection (currently 73) and 2025 Round 2 selection in the 2024 and 2025 Telstra AFL Drafts respectively.
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Carlton trade its 2025 Round 1 selection and 2025 Round 2 selection (tied to Carlton) to Hawthorn for its 2024 Round 1 selection (currently 14) in the 2024 and 2025 Telstra AFL Drafts respectively.

Spoiler: 2024 Draft Picks

 

[LB2Snake]

Have faith people, just you wait until this comes to fruition tomorrow, in RooSteve we trust.
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There is definitely something going on.

 

[Ashley B]

Have faith people, just you wait until this comes to fruition tomorrow, in RooSteve we trust.
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I wouldn’t call getting Caleb for pick 25 and late pick swaps something huge , but each to their own

 

[DuckYeah]

Why don’t we just forget about Daniel and play Powell at half back? Ball magnet, good decision maker and user. Too slow for the midfield.

Half backs should be your best kicks of the footy. With defensive and offensive capabilities. Should also have some dash while we are at it. Powell is not a half back, Kerch can play it but lacks some defensive qualities and honestly would be too good elsewhere. Tucker is a better half back than Powell is

 

[LB2Snake]

Don't recall. It was one of the last two years. Maybe we saw it as pick 4 because we knew Walter would go before our pick 3. Anyway, the idea was introduced and a whole lot of people got their trousers in a twist about the idea of it. Genuine anger and angst at a scenario that was very obviously entirely made-up.

We need to relax on here. It's not talented youngsters that we're short on

I definitely think it’s talented KPF’s we are short on. IMO we should be doing everything in our power to get 2 KPF’s in the door.
Giving up 25 for the complete antithesis of that seems ludicrous to me.
Daniel = Do Not Want.

 

[Ashley B]

There is definitely something going on.

I’m too scared to look . We need one of those police monitors on Brady’s ankle so we know when to send some members around to stop him.

 

[Dingster]

If we don’t have at least 2 picks in the top 25 then I’ll class this period as a dismal failure.

Realistically we need 4 picks inside 40, and we should be finding ways to do that without sacrificing our F1.

I’m dreading tomorrow.

 

[chubbspeterson]

I think GWS more likely. After the bolton trade, Freo won't trade 11 and 30 as it would leave them with only 67 in this draft. GWS have 7 picks, so could see them doing F1 for 15/16.

And surely we can get special consideration to trade out a F2 as well. We've had plenty of first round picks in recent years.

Freo said they were open to moving 11 forward. I suspect to have the picks for Warner next year.
GWS an option but said they "want to make sure they get the players they want" before trading out.
I'd probably prefer to hold onto the F1 myself, but just going off what Brady said at the start of trade period about splitting 2 or moving the F1 forward for a player or picks (maybe we are that keen on Trainor or somebody in the teens).
My preference would be to split 2 if we want to generate another pick in the teens for the record.

 

[koshari]

I wouldn’t call getting Caleb for pick 25 and late pick swaps something huge , but each to their own

i see what you did there

 

[zoomba23]

I definitely think it’s talented KPF’s we are short on. IMO we should be doing everything in our power to get 2 KPF’s in the door.
Giving up 25 for the complete antithesis of that seems ludicrous to me.
Daniel = Do Not Want.

Yeah well, we're also short on natural rebounding half-back flankers, somehow. Agree that the forward line needs to be the main target area, but yknow, by the time a drafted key forward is developed enough, Larkey will be about 29. I guess the saving grace is that with his game style, he could go till 35 easily.

The shortest pathway to a solid two key pillars will be Comben forward and all fingers, limbs and muscles crossed that he stays healthy, that Maley comes on, and that Goad shows something as a forward

 

[LB2Snake]

Yeah well, we're also short on natural rebounding half-back flankers, somehow. Agree that the forward line needs to be the main target area, but yknow, by the time a drafted key forward is developed enough, Larkey will be about 29. I guess the saving grace is that with his game style, he could go till 35 easily.

The shortest pathway to a solid two key pillars will be Comben forward and all fingers, limbs and muscles crossed that he stays healthy, that Maley comes on, and that Goad shows something as a forward

I’m of the opinion we’ve got 2 ready to go in Hardeman and Goater, all things going to plan with injuries etc. Daniel is more of a distributer than a back flanker. Can’t defend.

 

[Makeshift Park]

If we're not targeting mids in the draft, I wouldn't be surprised if we're planning on picking up another 2nd rounder by sliding from 2.

Like 2 > 6 + 23 / 24 + 51 from Richmond.

It would still get us Tauru, for example, but it means we could get a good KPF and Daniel, plus maybe something else. (51 becomes 30-something on the night.)

 

[chubbspeterson]

If we're not targeting mids in the draft, I wouldn't be surprised if we're planning on picking up another 2nd rounder by sliding from 2.

Like 2 > 6 + 23 / 24 + 51 from Richmond.

It would still get us Tauru, for example, but it means we could get a good KPF and Daniel, plus maybe something else. 51 becomes 30-something on the night.

We'd want more than a 2nd rounder to move from 2. It has to be a good deal.

 

[Newbie Real Talk]

Due to the lack of a "what ifs" thread, I have decided to drop this here.
Things would've been so much different if we got what we paid for with CCJ and Sleevo. About 80 goals a year different.

 

[Luke72]

Pick 50

They held it all up for pick 50!?! You have to be kidding

 

[chubbspeterson]

Yeah well, we're also short on natural rebounding half-back flankers, somehow. Agree that the forward line needs to be the main target area, but yknow, by the time a drafted key forward is developed enough, Larkey will be about 29. I guess the saving grace is that with his game style, he could go till 35 easily.

The shortest pathway to a solid two key pillars will be Comben forward and all fingers, limbs and muscles crossed that he stays healthy, that Maley comes on, and that Goad shows something as a forward

We'll need a few developing in the VFL regardless of Larkey's age. Darling/Larkey/Comben/Teakle for the now.
Age hasn't stopped Caddy or Logan Morris being able to step in quicker than expected if they are good enough.

 

[archereleven]

Can’t we trade someone for some picks?

We delisted Curtis... The way potatoes are getting traded for decent capital, he'd be worth a late 20's/early 30s pick atm lol

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[Makeshift Park]

We'd want more than a 2nd rounder to move from 2. It has to be a good deal.

Perhaps.

There haven't been many signs of teams willing to give up multiple first rounders to move up yet, such is the evenness of the draft. So I have this lingering thing in the back of my mind, where I refuse to believe we aren't going to draft a KPF, but with 25 looking like it could be destined to WB, I'm trying to figure out how it happens without us sliding down from 2.

Maybe WB will relent on giving back 35 with Daniel, but I'm not confident.

 

[Kangaroos4eva]

 

[see see]

Have faith people, just you wait until this comes to fruition tomorrow, in RooSteve we trust.
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Hard not to argue that using pick 25 on Caleb Daniel qualifies as a case of "massive overdrive ATM" for our recruiting list management team : stern look :

 

[HBFlanker]

If West Coast get 2 x future first rounders, or even a Future 1st and Future 2nd, then Fremantle will need to act to keep up in terms of the race for Warner.

We should get involved here.

 

[My Left Foote]

I definitely think it’s talented KPF’s we are short on. IMO we should be doing everything in our power to get 2 KPF’s in the door.
Giving up 25 for the complete antithesis of that seems ludicrous to me.
Daniel = Do Not Want.

This is my sticking point too, I’m not against getting Daniel but not for pick 25 there will be a few KPFs at that pick. Even if we split pick 2 we’d be mad not to take a KPF at 25.

 

[spurs]

F3 for Parker and the dogs can keep Daniel, they want too much unfortunately

 

[Makeshift Park]

This is my sticking point too, I’m not against getting Daniel but not for pick 25 there will be a few KPFs at that pick. Even if we split pick 2 we’d be mad not to take a KPF at 25.

I think Daniel would be a good acquisition but I find it hard to believe we're prepared to put 25 on the table if we haven't come up with a strategy to find a replacement pick that gets us a good key forward.

Maybe I was being slightly pessimistic in my previous post, maybe the deal would be something like 2 for 6 and 18.

 

[kingcarey1]

Can someone tell me what a Rawlings is?

 

[backtothedraft]

I’m okay with reaching on the Daniel and Parker deals if required, and am open minded in what splitting our p2 and trading our F1 into this year look like. Is anyone else with me?