List Mgmt. 2024 Trade & List Management Thread - Part 3

[giantroo]

Spoiler: Confirmed Trades - Update - 16th October

Picks	Clubs	Result
15-10-24 - Pick Trade	StKilda & Brisbane	Brisbane receives St Kilda's R2 (27) Pick St Kilda receives Brisbane's R2 (32,45) Picks
14-10-24 - Pick Trade	Melbourne & Essendon	Melbourne receives Essendon's R1 (9), 2025 R3 Pick Essendon receives Melbourne's 2025 F1, 2024 R2 (28,40), R3(46,54), R4 (65) Picks
14-10-24 - Pick Trade	Melbourne & Adelaide	Adelaide receives Melbourne's 2025 3R Pick Melbourne receives Adelaide's 2024 3R(46) Pick
11-10-24 - Pick Trade	Brisbane & Richmond	Richmond receives Brisbane's 1R Pick (pick 20) Brisbane receives Richmond's 2R (32,42), 3R (43,45) Picks
11-10-24 - Pick Trade	Carlton & Brisbane	Carlton receives Brisbane's R4 (73), 2025 R2 Pick Brisbane receives Carlton's R2(34), R4(66)
11-10-24 - Pick Trade	Carlton & Hawthorn	Carlton receives Hawthorn's R1(14) pick Hawthorn receives Carlton's 2025 R1, R2 (tied to Carlton) picks

Player	Original Club	Trade/FA	New Club	Result
Daniel Rioli	Richmond	Trade	Gold Coast	Gold Coast receive Richmond's Daniel Rioli 17 Daniel Rioli Age 27 Ht 179cm Wt 78kg Pos. Def Career Season Last 5 D 11.2 3star K 5.8 2star HB 5.4 4star M 2.7 3star T 3.2 5star MG 179.2 3star D 8.1 2star K 4.9 2star HB 3.3 2star M 2.0 2star T 2.6 4star MG 144.9 3star D 9.0 3star K 3.8 2star HB 5.2 4star M 0.8 1star T 3.8 5star MG 160.2 3star , R4 (51,61,70,76) Picks Richmond receive GC's R1(6), R2(23) Picks
Shai Bolton	Richmond	Trade	Fremantle	Fremantle receive Richmond's Shai Bolton 29 Shai Bolton Age 25 Ht 176cm Wt 77kg Pos. M/F Career Season Last 5 D 12.3 3star K 6.9 3star HB 5.4 4star M 2.8 3star T 2.9 4star CL 1.4 4star D 12.7 3star K 9.2 4star HB 3.5 2star M 3.0 3star T 2.7 4star CL 1.8 4star D 9.2 3star K 4.6 2star HB 4.6 4star M 2.0 3star T 2.6 4star CL 0.0 1star , R1(14), 2025 R3 Pick. Richmond receive Fremantle's R1(10,11,18) Picks
Harry Sharp	Brisbane & Melbourne	Trade	Melbourne	Melbourne receives Brisbane's Harry Sharp, 2025 R3 pick (tied to Brisbane) Brisbane receives Melbourne's 2024 R3(49), 2025 R3 pick (tied to Essendon).
Dan Houston Jack Lukosius 13 Jack Lukosius Age 24 Ht 195cm Wt 91kg Pos. D/F Career Season Last 5 D 14.8 4star K 11.5 4star HB 3.3 3star M 3.4 3star T 1.8 4star MG 369.3 5star D 14.8 4star K 11.5 4star HB 3.3 2star M 3.4 3star T 1.8 3star MG 369.3 5star D 13.6 4star K 11.2 4star HB 2.4 3star M 4.2 4star T 2.2 4star MG 358.0 5star Joe Richards Rory Atkins 2 Rory Atkins Age 30 Ht 185cm Wt 82kg Pos. Def Career Season Last 5 D 19.9 5star K 12.1 4star HB 7.9 5star M 4.6 4star T 1.9 4star MG 367.4 5star D 9.0 2star K 5.0 2star HB 4.0 3star M 0.3 1star T 2.7 4star MG 147.7 3star D 14.2 4star K 8.8 4star HB 5.4 4star M 4.0 4star T 1.2 3star MG 217.8 4star John Noble 9 John Noble Age 27 Ht 180cm Wt 72kg Pos. Def Career Season Last 5 D 16.3 4star K 9.2 4star HB 7.1 4star M 3.5 4star T 2.0 4star MG 186.1 3star D 14.2 3star K 7.7 3star HB 6.5 4star M 3.2 3star T 1.8 3star MG 149.7 3star D 18.8 5star K 11.0 4star HB 7.8 5star M 4.0 4star T 2.2 4star MG 229.8 4star	Port Adelaide Gold Coast Collingwood Gold Coast Collingwood	Trade	Collingwood Port Adelaide Port Adelaide Port Adelaide Gold Coast	Port Adelaide receives GC's R1(13),GC R2(29,36), GC R3(50) Picks, Jack Lukosius 13 Jack Lukosius Age 24 Ht 195cm Wt 91kg Pos. D/F Career Season Last 5 D 14.8 4star K 11.5 4star HB 3.3 3star M 3.4 3star T 1.8 4star MG 369.3 5star D 14.8 4star K 11.5 4star HB 3.3 2star M 3.4 3star T 1.8 3star MG 369.3 5star D 13.6 4star K 11.2 4star HB 2.4 3star M 4.2 4star T 2.2 4star MG 358.0 5star , Joe Richards, Rory Atkins 2 Rory Atkins Age 30 Ht 185cm Wt 82kg Pos. Def Career Season Last 5 D 19.9 5star K 12.1 4star HB 7.9 5star M 4.6 4star T 1.9 4star MG 367.4 5star D 9.0 2star K 5.0 2star HB 4.0 3star M 0.3 1star T 2.7 4star MG 147.7 3star D 14.2 4star K 8.8 4star HB 5.4 4star M 4.0 4star T 1.2 3star MG 217.8 4star Gold Coast receives Collingwood's 2025 F1, PA's 2025 F1, PA R2(39) Collingwood receive Dan Houston 5 Dan Houston Age 27 Ht 186cm Wt 88kg Pos. Def Career Season Last 5 D 18.2 5star K 11.8 4star HB 6.4 4star M 4.9 5star T 3.0 5star MG 289.2 4star D 17.6 4star K 11.6 4star HB 6.0 3star M 3.3 3star T 3.4 4star MG 319.9 5star D 16.6 4star K 12.4 5star HB 4.2 4star M 7.0 5star T 2.6 4star MG 279.8 5star , PA R4(58)
Matt Owies Liam Baker 7 Liam Baker Age 26 Ht 173cm Wt 72kg Pos. D/F Career Season Last 5 D 15.7 4star K 7.8 3star HB 7.9 5star M 3.2 3star T 2.6 4star MG 222.2 3star D 14.6 4star K 6.8 3star HB 7.9 4star M 3.8 4star T 1.8 3star MG 191.9 3star D 14.4 4star K 6.2 3star HB 8.2 5star M 1.6 2star T 1.8 4star MG 224.2 4star	Carlton & Richmond	Trade	West Coast	Round 1 pick (3), Round 4 (63,68) to Carlton Round 1 Pick (14) to Richmond Round 1 Pick(12), R4 (73) to WCE Liam Baker 7 Liam Baker Age 26 Ht 173cm Wt 72kg Pos. D/F Career Season Last 5 D 15.7 4star K 7.8 3star HB 7.9 5star M 3.2 3star T 2.6 4star MG 222.2 3star D 14.6 4star K 6.8 3star HB 7.9 4star M 3.8 4star T 1.8 3star MG 191.9 3star D 14.4 4star K 6.2 3star HB 8.2 5star M 1.6 2star T 1.8 4star MG 224.2 4star to WCE Matt Owies to WCE
Isaac Cumming	GWS	UFA	Adelaide	End of Round 1 Compo (pick 21) to GWS
Josh Battle	St Kilda	UFA	Hawthorn	Round 1 Compo (Pick 8) to St.Kilda
Tom Campbell	St Kilda	DFA	Melbourne	No Compensation
Harry Perryman	GWS	UFA	Collingwood	Round 1 Compo (Pick 16) to GWS
Elliott Himmelberg	Adelaide	UFA	Gold Coast	No Compensation
Nick Haynes	GWS	UFA	Carlton	No Compensation
Alex Neal-Bullen	Melbourne	Trade	Adelaide	Round 2 Pick (28) to Melbourne
Jack Darling	West Coast	Trade	North Melbourne	Round 4 pick (68) to WCE
Jack Graham	Richmond	UFA	West Coast	End of Round 2 Compo (Pick 42) to Richmond

Brisbane Lions trade Harry Sharp and its 2025 Round 3 pick (tied to Brisbane) to Melbourne for its 2024 Round 3 pick (currently 49) and its 2025 Round 3 pick (tied to Essendon).
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Collingwood get Houston and Pick 58 and give up: a future first round pick, Joe Richards to Port and John Noble

9

John Noble

Age

27

Ht

180cm

Wt

72kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

16.3

4star

K

9.2

4star

HB

7.1

4star

M

3.5

4star

T

2.0

4star

MG

186.1

3star

D

14.2

3star

K

7.7

3star

HB

6.5

4star

M

3.2

3star

T

1.8

3star

MG

149.7

3star

D

18.8

5star

K

11.0

4star

HB

7.8

5star

M

4.0

4star

T

2.2

4star

MG

229.8

4star

to Gold Coast

Port get Jack Lukosius

13

Jack Lukosius

Age

24

Ht

195cm

Wt

91kg

Pos.

D/F

Career

Season

Last 5

D

14.8

4star

K

11.5

4star

HB

3.3

3star

M

3.4

3star

T

1.8

4star

MG

369.3

5star

D

14.8

4star

K

11.5

4star

HB

3.3

2star

M

3.4

3star

T

1.8

3star

MG

369.3

5star

D

13.6

4star

K

11.2

4star

HB

2.4

3star

M

4.2

4star

T

2.2

4star

MG

358.0

5star

, Richards, Rory Atkins

2

Rory Atkins

Age

30

Ht

185cm

Wt

82kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

19.9

5star

K

12.1

4star

HB

7.9

5star

M

4.6

4star

T

1.9

4star

MG

367.4

5star

D

9.0

2star

K

5.0

2star

HB

4.0

3star

M

0.3

1star

T

2.7

4star

MG

147.7

3star

D

14.2

4star

K

8.8

4star

HB

5.4

4star

M

4.0

4star

T

1.2

3star

MG

217.8

4star

, picks 13, 29, 36 and 50 in this year’s draft while letting Houston go to Collingwood, their future first round pick, pick 39 in this year’s goes to Gold Coast and pick 58 goes to Collingwood.

Gold Coast get Noble, a future first round pick from each of Collingwood and Port Adelaide, and pick 39 (received from Port), while the Suns send Lukosius and Atkins, picks 13, 29 and 50 to Port Adelaide.
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St Kilda trade its Round Two selection (currently 27) to the Brisbane Lions for its Round Two selection (currently 32) and its Round Three selection (currently 45) in the 2024 Telstra AFL Draft.
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Three club trade approved.Richmond trade Liam Baker

7

Liam Baker

Age

26

Ht

173cm

Wt

72kg

Pos.

D/F

Career

Season

Last 5

D

15.7

4star

K

7.8

3star

HB

7.9

5star

M

3.2

3star

T

2.6

4star

MG

222.2

3star

D

14.6

4star

K

6.8

3star

HB

7.9

4star

M

3.8

4star

T

1.8

3star

MG

191.9

3star

D

14.4

4star

K

6.2

3star

HB

8.2

5star

M

1.6

2star

T

1.8

4star

MG

224.2

4star

to the West Coast Eagles.West Coast Eagles trade its Round One selection (currently 3) and both its Round Four selections (currently 63 and 68) in the 2024 Telstra AFL Draft to Carlton.
Carlton trade Matthew Owies, its Round One selection (currently 12) and its Round Four selection (currently 73) to West Coast Eagles. Carlton trade its Round One selection (currently 14 ) to Richmond.
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Melbourne trade its two 2024 Round 2 selections (currently 28 and 40), two 2024 Round 3 selections (currently 46 and 54), its 2024 Round 4 selection (currently 65) and its 2025 Round 1 selection to Essendon.
Essendon trade its 2024 Round 1 selection (currently 9) and its 2025 Round 3 selection in the 2024 and 2025 Telstra AFL Drafts respectively to Melbourne.
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Melbourne trade its 2025 Round 3 selection to the Adelaide Crows for its 2024 Round 3 selection (currently 46) in the 2024 and 2025 Telstra AFL Drafts respectively.
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Brisbane trade its 2024 Round 1 selection (currently 20) to Richmond for two 2024 Round 2 selections (currently 32 and 42) and two 2024 Round 3 selections (currently 43 and 45) in the 2024 Telstra AFL Draft.
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Carlton trade its 2024 Round 2 selection (currently 34) and 2024 Round 4 selection (currently 66) to Brisbane for its 2024 Round 4 selection (currently 73) and 2025 Round 2 selection in the 2024 and 2025 Telstra AFL Drafts respectively.
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Carlton trade its 2025 Round 1 selection and 2025 Round 2 selection (tied to Carlton) to Hawthorn for its 2024 Round 1 selection (currently 14) in the 2024 and 2025 Telstra AFL Drafts respectively.

Spoiler: 2024 Draft Picks

 

[Makeshift Park]

First Trade

Trade out: Pick 2 & F2

Trade in: Pick 6, Pick 11, Pick 23.

Richmond's Hand: 1, 2, 11, 18, 20, 24, F1, F2, North F2

North's Hand: 6, 11, 23, 25, 44, 62, F1, F3

Second Trade

Trade out: F3
Trade in: Parker and Sydney F4.

Third Trade (not that I want to do this).

Trade out: Pick 25
Trade in: Daniel and Bulldogs F3

Draft Hand:

6,11, 23, 44, 62, F1, Bulldogs F3, F4 & Sydney F4

Pick 6: Sliding Midfielder (FOS/Smillie/Langford/Lalor)
Pick 11: KPP (Taura, Armstrong, J Whitlock, Shanahan)
Pick 23: Best available (Hannaford/Gerreyn/Faull/M.Whitlock)
Pick 44: Best available (Mraz/O'Farrell/Greggo/Retschko/Ough/Jacques)
Pick 62: Trade for future picks

Rookie 1: Best available
Rookie 2: River Stevens

Done.

I like it! Doubt we get Dogs' F3 and Swans' F4 in that scenario, but maybe I'm too pessimistic. Even without those, we get what we need.

 

[Roosurgence]

The commodities you don't have access to still form part of the overall pool though, and are still taking up places in the same junior.programs and u18 competitions. The point is pick 25 in a year where there are no academy/FS picks has a higher worth than pick 25 in a year where there are five academy/FS picks.

So it should be valued accordingly. Pretending academy players don't exist or aren't on clubs' ranking orders is silly.

It really doesn’t because in both situations you still only have access to the same 25 players.

Again you are confusing rankings with value.

Why should I value a player differently because in one situation he has pick 6 against his name and in another he has pick 11.

Same player. In that situation Pick 6 and 11 have the exact same value because I got the exact same commodity. Just because the commodity is not ranked the 6th best, from a value perspective it’s the exact same thing.

 

[roos_fanatic08]

I like it! Doubt we get Dogs' F3 and Swans' F4 in that scenario, but maybe I'm too pessimistic. Even without those, we get what we need.

I think a pick in the 50's coming back with Daniel and we take his whole salary is more than fair.

Same goes with the Swans, give them some salary cap relief for 12 month, improve their hand next year and we get a pick in the 60's back.

 

[The Dingrel]

Wow. We've picked up some Elmer's over the years.

Cam Richardson!

 

[giantroo]

 

[Makeshift Park]

I think a pick in the 50's coming back with Daniel and we take his whole salary is more than fair.

Same goes with the Swans, give them some salary cap relief for 12 month, improve their hand next year and we get a pick in the 60's back.

Agree it would be fair. I'm working on the assumption that Keane and Power will be dicks. And our commitment to bring in experience will lead us to acquiesce. I'll be stoked to be proven wrong.

 

[giantroo]

 

[giantroo]

 

[tommy_uman]

Yep, Parker is not happening.

 

[GS WARRIORS]

Hopefully Caleb ends up like Hunter 2 years ago. They want overs and we walk away.

Do not offer 25 again.

 

[The Nostradamus]

Hopefully Caleb ends up like Hunter 2 years ago. They want overs and we walk away.

Do not offer 25 again.

Highest offer should be future second or we walk

But really we need to involve Carlton to make the deal easier

 

[New_Roo]

I don’t need validation, it’s simple economics.

If you can convince me that if the same player taken with pick 6 is a lesser version than that exact same player that is taken with pick 11 because players you never had access to push out their ranking, then I will concede defeat.

I'm not trying to convince of that, that is obvious. Say that player is the 10th best player in the pool, then he is still the 10th best player whether he goes at pick 6 or pick 11. In this assumption he has just gone at pick 6 as someone has a greater need for his skill set than someone else but he is still the 10th best


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[Better Loosen Up]

Tucker's been good.

Define "good".

 

[New_Roo]

Yep, Parker is not happening.

Can't see it not happening.... he has said his goodbyes, has agreed to our longer term deal.... swans aren't going to treat a champion of the club like that

Do we even know if our 44 has been offered/rejected yet

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[DocSholl]

Define "good".

He's been a reliable enough roleplayer. The problem is we are so dearth of quality senior players that he probably has to perform above a 16-22 player, which is what he realistically is.

 

[LuvtheKangas]

Offering is irrelevant... there is only an issue if 47 is accepted for Macrae and we then offer 25


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Um, if it's an issue if we offer 25, I suggest that offering is indeed relevant.

 

[hilly]

Turn it up St Kildas.

 

[LuvtheKangas]

Richmond finish bottom and have the talent to ship off for 6 first round picks. We finish bottom and all we can do is delist the plodders and go to the draft with 1 first rounder. Amazing difference in position.

** Looks up how many R1 picks we had last year and shakes head at the whining *

 

[The Filth Wizard]

** Looks up how many R1 picks we had last year and shakes head at the whining *

And I doubt there's a player as good as McKercher in this draft.

 

[Tas]

At least this shit show is almost over.

 

[DuckYeah]

And I doubt there's a player as good as McKercher in this draft.

There isn’t. There isn’t a player of Duursmas ability either. The talk of a super draft is complete nonsense

 

[LuvtheKangas]

That's cause they could offload 3 premiership players that finished in the top 5 in 2024 bnf.... we had zero value in most of our players


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We'd have heaps of value if we also offered 3 of our B&F top 5.

FMD.

 

[speedy]

What ever happens don’t cave North.
We have to stop being push-overs at the trade table.

 

[Dastardly]

Can't see it not happening.... he has said his goodbyes, has agreed to our longer term deal.... swans aren't going to treat a champion of the club like that

Do we even know if our 44 has been offered/rejected yet

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Same, now how happy we'll all be when we find out what needed to be handed over is another matter...

 

[amaz199]

Tucker has been serviceable but he needs someone else there with him to help.

He's actually not the worst defender I guess.