List Mgmt. 2024 Trade & List Management Thread - Part 3

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PlayerOriginal ClubTrade/FANew ClubResult
Daniel RioliRichmondTradeGold CoastGold Coast receive Richmond's Daniel Rioli, R4 (51,61,70,76) Picks
Richmond receive GC's R1(6), R2(23) Picks
Shai BoltonRichmondTradeFremantleFremantle receive Richmond's Shai Bolton, R1(14), 2025 R3 Pick.
Richmond receive Fremantle's R1(10,11,18) Picks
Harry SharpBrisbane & MelbourneTradeMelbourneMelbourne receives Brisbane's Harry Sharp, 2025 R3 pick (tied to Brisbane)
Brisbane receives Melbourne's 2024 R3(49), 2025 R3 pick (tied to Essendon).
Dan Houston
Jack Lukosius
Joe Richards
Rory Atkins
John Noble
Port Adelaide
Gold Coast
Collingwood
Gold Coast
Collingwood
TradeCollingwood
Port Adelaide
Port Adelaide
Port Adelaide
Gold Coast
Port Adelaide receives GC's R1(13),GC R2(29,36), GC R3(50) Picks, Jack Lukosius, Joe Richards, Rory Atkins
Gold Coast receives Collingwood's 2025 F1, PA's 2025 F1, PA R2(39)
Collingwood receive Dan Houston, PA R4(58)
Matt Owies
Liam Baker
Carlton & RichmondTradeWest CoastRound 1 pick (3), Round 4 (63,68) to Carlton
Round 1 Pick (14) to Richmond
Round 1 Pick(12), R4 (73) to WCE
Liam Baker to WCE
Matt Owies to WCE
Isaac CummingGWSUFAAdelaideEnd of Round 1 Compo (pick 21) to GWS
Josh BattleSt KildaUFAHawthornRound 1 Compo (Pick 8) to St.Kilda
Tom CampbellSt KildaDFAMelbourneNo Compensation
Harry PerrymanGWSUFACollingwoodRound 1 Compo (Pick 16) to GWS
Elliott HimmelbergAdelaideUFAGold CoastNo Compensation
Nick HaynesGWSUFACarltonNo Compensation
Alex Neal-BullenMelbourneTradeAdelaideRound 2 Pick (28) to Melbourne
Jack DarlingWest CoastTradeNorth MelbourneRound 4 pick (68) to WCE
Jack GrahamRichmondUFAWest CoastEnd of Round 2 Compo (Pick 42) to Richmond

Brisbane Lions trade Harry Sharp and its 2025 Round 3 pick (tied to Brisbane) to Melbourne for its 2024 Round 3 pick (currently 49) and its 2025 Round 3 pick (tied to Essendon).
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Collingwood get Houston and Pick 58 and give up: a future first round pick, Joe Richards to Port and John Noble to Gold Coast

Port get Jack Lukosius, Richards, Rory Atkins, picks 13, 29, 36 and 50 in this year’s draft while letting Houston go to Collingwood, their future first round pick, pick 39 in this year’s goes to Gold Coast and pick 58 goes to Collingwood.

Gold Coast get Noble, a future first round pick from each of Collingwood and Port Adelaide, and pick 39 (received from Port), while the Suns send Lukosius and Atkins, picks 13, 29 and 50 to Port Adelaide.
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St Kilda trade its Round Two selection (currently 27) to the Brisbane Lions for its Round Two selection (currently 32) and its Round Three selection (currently 45) in the 2024 Telstra AFL Draft.
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Three club trade approved.Richmond trade Liam Baker to the West Coast Eagles.West Coast Eagles trade its Round One selection (currently 3) and both its Round Four selections (currently 63 and 68) in the 2024 Telstra AFL Draft to Carlton.
Carlton trade Matthew Owies, its Round One selection (currently 12) and its Round Four selection (currently 73) to West Coast Eagles. Carlton trade its Round One selection (currently 14 ) to Richmond.
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Melbourne trade its two 2024 Round 2 selections (currently 28 and 40), two 2024 Round 3 selections (currently 46 and 54), its 2024 Round 4 selection (currently 65) and its 2025 Round 1 selection to Essendon.
Essendon trade its 2024 Round 1 selection (currently 9) and its 2025 Round 3 selection in the 2024 and 2025 Telstra AFL Drafts respectively to Melbourne.
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Melbourne trade its 2025 Round 3 selection to the Adelaide Crows for its 2024 Round 3 selection (currently 46) in the 2024 and 2025 Telstra AFL Drafts respectively.
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Brisbane trade its 2024 Round 1 selection (currently 20) to Richmond for two 2024 Round 2 selections (currently 32 and 42) and two 2024 Round 3 selections (currently 43 and 45) in the 2024 Telstra AFL Draft.
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Carlton trade its 2024 Round 2 selection (currently 34) and 2024 Round 4 selection (currently 66) to Brisbane for its 2024 Round 4 selection (currently 73) and 2025 Round 2 selection in the 2024 and 2025 Telstra AFL Drafts respectively.
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Carlton trade its 2025 Round 1 selection and 2025 Round 2 selection (tied to Carlton) to Hawthorn for its 2024 Round 1 selection (currently 14) in the 2024 and 2025 Telstra AFL Drafts respectively.

 
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Yep and that’s what Daniel will be

He will be what? a 91 game player?

Higgins played 100 games for us, won 2 x Syds, was an AA and we played finals in that period.

He joined when he was 2 years younger than Daniel.

Daniel will be doing extremely well to play 100 games at North, it will push him close to a 300 game player.
 
Who says Caleb and Parker cant be part of North Success? You kidding or what? How many games have we been beaten because no one on the ground can control the game and players mental fragility.

Those two are worth their weight in gold.

Didn’t you watch Hawthorn this year? Things can turn rather quickly
Having a coach who has been there and done that is one thing,he cannot be there on the ground but having proven players who have done the same is invaluable for our group and are worth more than picks at this stage of our development.
 
Josh Dunkley was a pick 25. Brayden Cook was a pick 25. The argument that we've thrown away a Josh Dunkley for Caleb Daniel is nonsense. We've traded a 1 in 10 chance of getting a Josh Dunkley and a 3/10 chance of getting a complete dud, neither of which we would know for certain for another 5 years, for a 27 year old (ish) who is all australian, best and fairest and a premiership winner. Even if we're not getting him at his best, it's still a pretty good deal.
 
IMO...and I hope I'm wrong. we will only get 10 & 11 for this years pick 2. would like 6 & 11.
but i doubt Richmond will come at that. 6 & 18 may be a option ? We will have to take unders...even slightly
FOS goes at pick 1. Crows thinks Draper is going at 3 to Blues and want Draper badly. They'd have to give up their F1 and perhaps we give our F2 back or Freo trades 14 for Crows F1. We get 4 and 14? A lot to play out.
 
Caleb Daniel looks a lot different to what I imagined, without the helmet of course.

Caleb Dangle amirite?


Reno 911 Gay GIF
 
History shows pick 25 hasn’t exactly set the world on fire, only Josh Dunkley and James rowbottom are the only ones worth mentioning in the last 10 years or so, so we didn’t lose out on much trading it out

Surely any analysis on pick value should take into account all players reasonably available at a certain pick, rather than specifically those taken at 25?

Not all clubs will have the same talent order. You're better off looking at players drafted between 25-40 or so to determine the chances of getting a good player at that pick. Otherwise it's very flawed analysis.

It'd be like saying pick 23 sucks because Will Walker went there, ignoring that Balta, Kelly, Daniels, Ryan and Sam Taylor were all on the board too and predicted in that range.
 

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Goater, Mahony, Drury and Duursma all played a lot of midfield in their junior years.
We haven't played them as mids yet. But fair enough comment and if TT wasn't such a dick we'd have three mids we drafted as forwards - Jy, TT and Sheeze. Ford has played on the wing and Curtis and Zurhaar have both spent a little time in the middle over the last few seasons. WE have heaps of depth options around potentially five quality midfielders in LDU, Sheeze, Warlord, Powell and Kerch. Jy's best is up there and Phillips might still pull a rabbit out of the hat too, that would make it seven.
 
North wont trade 2 back without 6 being involved. He has been clear on that when refering to moving back. I think a more interesting watch aswell is trading F1 into this draft also to Tigers. 10 or 11 and 20 seems fair for a potential top 4 pick with much better high end
 
Lmac and Jy had great leaders and roll models. Look at them now… devoid of leadership.

People keep talking about draft picks being magic beans. The only magic beans I see are Caleb, Parker and Darling the way they are being talked up on how their leadership is going to impact this playing list even well after their careers are over.
Who were these great leaders?

Especially Jy. His role models were Higgo, JZ and a sick Cunners.

He needed someone there for the last five or six years as he developed but he hasn't really had anyone.
 
Surely any analysis on pick value should take into account all players reasonably available at a certain pick, rather than specifically those taken at 25?

Not all clubs will have the same talent order. You're better off looking at players drafted between 25-40 or so to determine the chances of getting a good player at that pick. Otherwise it's very flawed analysis.

It'd be like saying pick 23 sucks because Will Walker went there, ignoring that Balta, Kelly, Daniels, Ryan and Sam Taylor were all on the board too and predicted in that range.

Trading a 2nd, 3rd and 4th round pick is objectively not going to determine whether or not we are able to compete at the pointy end of the season in years to come, and either is getting in Caleb Daniel. There is really easy common ground to be found with this argument where everyone agrees that we reached for Daniel but it doesn't really matter that much. There is pick swap scenarios to argue about now.
 
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Josh Dunkley was a pick 25. Brayden Cook was a pick 25. The argument that we've thrown away a Josh Dunkley for Caleb Daniel is nonsense. We've traded a 1 in 10 chance of getting a Josh Dunkley and a 3/10 chance of getting a complete dud, neither of which we would know for certain for another 5 years, for a 27 year old (ish) who is all australian, best and fairest and a premiership winner. Even if we're not getting him at his best, it's still a pretty good deal.
Also a Vice Captain/Leadership group player from a successful team
 
Bunch of nobody's at 25.

This 25 is also going to slide even more spots with bidding.
Any other draft and I'd probably agree with you that the chance of finding a good player is a risk, but this year is a bit deeper in the top 30 for mine than the usual. I really like the players in the top 25 and a fair few of them would fill positional needs for us. We might end up swapping picks to get a look at them, so I'll wait and see what we do.

Those around that mark could potentially be based on mock drafts...

Ollie Hannaford - 180cm def/mid/fwd, 2.954s 20m sprint, energy/intensity, pressure, bangs in goals outside 50
Kayle Gerreyn (GMan) - 199cm key forward/ruck, elite agility for a big man, kicks off both feet
Jonty Faull - 195cm key forward, provides a real contest, competitive, decision making an area of improvement
Matt Whitlock - 199cm plus key position player, primarily a defender, athletic
Thomas Simms - 199cm plus ruck/fwd, good contested mark
Cooper Hynes - 190cm tall/big contested midfielder
Jesse Dattoli - 179cm small forward
Christian Moraes - 183cm crafty mid/fwd, hits the scoreboard
 
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