List Mgmt. 2024 Trade & List Management Thread - Part 3

[giantroo]

Spoiler: Confirmed Trades - Update - 16th October

Picks	Clubs	Result
15-10-24 - Pick Trade	StKilda & Brisbane	Brisbane receives St Kilda's R2 (27) Pick St Kilda receives Brisbane's R2 (32,45) Picks
14-10-24 - Pick Trade	Melbourne & Essendon	Melbourne receives Essendon's R1 (9), 2025 R3 Pick Essendon receives Melbourne's 2025 F1, 2024 R2 (28,40), R3(46,54), R4 (65) Picks
14-10-24 - Pick Trade	Melbourne & Adelaide	Adelaide receives Melbourne's 2025 3R Pick Melbourne receives Adelaide's 2024 3R(46) Pick
11-10-24 - Pick Trade	Brisbane & Richmond	Richmond receives Brisbane's 1R Pick (pick 20) Brisbane receives Richmond's 2R (32,42), 3R (43,45) Picks
11-10-24 - Pick Trade	Carlton & Brisbane	Carlton receives Brisbane's R4 (73), 2025 R2 Pick Brisbane receives Carlton's R2(34), R4(66)
11-10-24 - Pick Trade	Carlton & Hawthorn	Carlton receives Hawthorn's R1(14) pick Hawthorn receives Carlton's 2025 R1, R2 (tied to Carlton) picks

Player	Original Club	Trade/FA	New Club	Result
Daniel Rioli	Richmond	Trade	Gold Coast	Gold Coast receive Richmond's Daniel Rioli 17 Daniel Rioli Age 27 Ht 179cm Wt 78kg Pos. Def Career Season Last 5 D 11.2 3star K 5.8 2star HB 5.4 4star M 2.7 3star T 3.2 5star MG 179.2 3star D 8.1 2star K 4.9 2star HB 3.3 2star M 2.0 2star T 2.6 4star MG 144.9 3star D 9.0 3star K 3.8 2star HB 5.2 4star M 0.8 1star T 3.8 5star MG 160.2 3star , R4 (51,61,70,76) Picks Richmond receive GC's R1(6), R2(23) Picks
Shai Bolton	Richmond	Trade	Fremantle	Fremantle receive Richmond's Shai Bolton 29 Shai Bolton Age 25 Ht 176cm Wt 77kg Pos. M/F Career Season Last 5 D 12.3 3star K 6.9 3star HB 5.4 4star M 2.8 3star T 2.9 4star CL 1.4 4star D 12.7 3star K 9.2 4star HB 3.5 2star M 3.0 3star T 2.7 4star CL 1.8 4star D 9.2 3star K 4.6 2star HB 4.6 4star M 2.0 3star T 2.6 4star CL 0.0 1star , R1(14), 2025 R3 Pick. Richmond receive Fremantle's R1(10,11,18) Picks
Harry Sharp	Brisbane & Melbourne	Trade	Melbourne	Melbourne receives Brisbane's Harry Sharp, 2025 R3 pick (tied to Brisbane) Brisbane receives Melbourne's 2024 R3(49), 2025 R3 pick (tied to Essendon).
Dan Houston Jack Lukosius 13 Jack Lukosius Age 24 Ht 195cm Wt 91kg Pos. D/F Career Season Last 5 D 14.8 4star K 11.5 4star HB 3.3 3star M 3.4 3star T 1.8 4star MG 369.3 5star D 14.8 4star K 11.5 4star HB 3.3 2star M 3.4 3star T 1.8 3star MG 369.3 5star D 13.6 4star K 11.2 4star HB 2.4 3star M 4.2 4star T 2.2 4star MG 358.0 5star Joe Richards Rory Atkins 2 Rory Atkins Age 30 Ht 185cm Wt 82kg Pos. Def Career Season Last 5 D 19.9 5star K 12.1 4star HB 7.9 5star M 4.6 4star T 1.9 4star MG 367.4 5star D 9.0 2star K 5.0 2star HB 4.0 3star M 0.3 1star T 2.7 4star MG 147.7 3star D 14.2 4star K 8.8 4star HB 5.4 4star M 4.0 4star T 1.2 3star MG 217.8 4star John Noble 9 John Noble Age 27 Ht 180cm Wt 72kg Pos. Def Career Season Last 5 D 16.3 4star K 9.2 4star HB 7.1 4star M 3.5 4star T 2.0 4star MG 186.1 3star D 14.2 3star K 7.7 3star HB 6.5 4star M 3.2 3star T 1.8 3star MG 149.7 3star D 18.8 5star K 11.0 4star HB 7.8 5star M 4.0 4star T 2.2 4star MG 229.8 4star	Port Adelaide Gold Coast Collingwood Gold Coast Collingwood	Trade	Collingwood Port Adelaide Port Adelaide Port Adelaide Gold Coast	Port Adelaide receives GC's R1(13),GC R2(29,36), GC R3(50) Picks, Jack Lukosius 13 Jack Lukosius Age 24 Ht 195cm Wt 91kg Pos. D/F Career Season Last 5 D 14.8 4star K 11.5 4star HB 3.3 3star M 3.4 3star T 1.8 4star MG 369.3 5star D 14.8 4star K 11.5 4star HB 3.3 2star M 3.4 3star T 1.8 3star MG 369.3 5star D 13.6 4star K 11.2 4star HB 2.4 3star M 4.2 4star T 2.2 4star MG 358.0 5star , Joe Richards, Rory Atkins 2 Rory Atkins Age 30 Ht 185cm Wt 82kg Pos. Def Career Season Last 5 D 19.9 5star K 12.1 4star HB 7.9 5star M 4.6 4star T 1.9 4star MG 367.4 5star D 9.0 2star K 5.0 2star HB 4.0 3star M 0.3 1star T 2.7 4star MG 147.7 3star D 14.2 4star K 8.8 4star HB 5.4 4star M 4.0 4star T 1.2 3star MG 217.8 4star Gold Coast receives Collingwood's 2025 F1, PA's 2025 F1, PA R2(39) Collingwood receive Dan Houston 5 Dan Houston Age 27 Ht 186cm Wt 88kg Pos. Def Career Season Last 5 D 18.2 5star K 11.8 4star HB 6.4 4star M 4.9 5star T 3.0 5star MG 289.2 4star D 17.6 4star K 11.6 4star HB 6.0 3star M 3.3 3star T 3.4 4star MG 319.9 5star D 16.6 4star K 12.4 5star HB 4.2 4star M 7.0 5star T 2.6 4star MG 279.8 5star , PA R4(58)
Matt Owies Liam Baker 7 Liam Baker Age 26 Ht 173cm Wt 72kg Pos. D/F Career Season Last 5 D 15.7 4star K 7.8 3star HB 7.9 5star M 3.2 3star T 2.6 4star MG 222.2 3star D 14.6 4star K 6.8 3star HB 7.9 4star M 3.8 4star T 1.8 3star MG 191.9 3star D 14.4 4star K 6.2 3star HB 8.2 5star M 1.6 2star T 1.8 4star MG 224.2 4star	Carlton & Richmond	Trade	West Coast	Round 1 pick (3), Round 4 (63,68) to Carlton Round 1 Pick (14) to Richmond Round 1 Pick(12), R4 (73) to WCE Liam Baker 7 Liam Baker Age 26 Ht 173cm Wt 72kg Pos. D/F Career Season Last 5 D 15.7 4star K 7.8 3star HB 7.9 5star M 3.2 3star T 2.6 4star MG 222.2 3star D 14.6 4star K 6.8 3star HB 7.9 4star M 3.8 4star T 1.8 3star MG 191.9 3star D 14.4 4star K 6.2 3star HB 8.2 5star M 1.6 2star T 1.8 4star MG 224.2 4star to WCE Matt Owies to WCE
Isaac Cumming	GWS	UFA	Adelaide	End of Round 1 Compo (pick 21) to GWS
Josh Battle	St Kilda	UFA	Hawthorn	Round 1 Compo (Pick 8) to St.Kilda
Tom Campbell	St Kilda	DFA	Melbourne	No Compensation
Harry Perryman	GWS	UFA	Collingwood	Round 1 Compo (Pick 16) to GWS
Elliott Himmelberg	Adelaide	UFA	Gold Coast	No Compensation
Nick Haynes	GWS	UFA	Carlton	No Compensation
Alex Neal-Bullen	Melbourne	Trade	Adelaide	Round 2 Pick (28) to Melbourne
Jack Darling	West Coast	Trade	North Melbourne	Round 4 pick (68) to WCE
Jack Graham	Richmond	UFA	West Coast	End of Round 2 Compo (Pick 42) to Richmond

Brisbane Lions trade Harry Sharp and its 2025 Round 3 pick (tied to Brisbane) to Melbourne for its 2024 Round 3 pick (currently 49) and its 2025 Round 3 pick (tied to Essendon).
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Collingwood get Houston and Pick 58 and give up: a future first round pick, Joe Richards to Port and John Noble

9

John Noble

Age

27

Ht

180cm

Wt

72kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

16.3

4star

K

9.2

4star

HB

7.1

4star

M

3.5

4star

T

2.0

4star

MG

186.1

3star

D

14.2

3star

K

7.7

3star

HB

6.5

4star

M

3.2

3star

T

1.8

3star

MG

149.7

3star

D

18.8

5star

K

11.0

4star

HB

7.8

5star

M

4.0

4star

T

2.2

4star

MG

229.8

4star

to Gold Coast

Port get Jack Lukosius

13

Jack Lukosius

Age

24

Ht

195cm

Wt

91kg

Pos.

D/F

Career

Season

Last 5

D

14.8

4star

K

11.5

4star

HB

3.3

3star

M

3.4

3star

T

1.8

4star

MG

369.3

5star

D

14.8

4star

K

11.5

4star

HB

3.3

2star

M

3.4

3star

T

1.8

3star

MG

369.3

5star

D

13.6

4star

K

11.2

4star

HB

2.4

3star

M

4.2

4star

T

2.2

4star

MG

358.0

5star

, Richards, Rory Atkins

2

Rory Atkins

Age

30

Ht

185cm

Wt

82kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

19.9

5star

K

12.1

4star

HB

7.9

5star

M

4.6

4star

T

1.9

4star

MG

367.4

5star

D

9.0

2star

K

5.0

2star

HB

4.0

3star

M

0.3

1star

T

2.7

4star

MG

147.7

3star

D

14.2

4star

K

8.8

4star

HB

5.4

4star

M

4.0

4star

T

1.2

3star

MG

217.8

4star

, picks 13, 29, 36 and 50 in this year’s draft while letting Houston go to Collingwood, their future first round pick, pick 39 in this year’s goes to Gold Coast and pick 58 goes to Collingwood.

Gold Coast get Noble, a future first round pick from each of Collingwood and Port Adelaide, and pick 39 (received from Port), while the Suns send Lukosius and Atkins, picks 13, 29 and 50 to Port Adelaide.
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St Kilda trade its Round Two selection (currently 27) to the Brisbane Lions for its Round Two selection (currently 32) and its Round Three selection (currently 45) in the 2024 Telstra AFL Draft.
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Three club trade approved.Richmond trade Liam Baker

7

Liam Baker

Age

26

Ht

173cm

Wt

72kg

Pos.

D/F

Career

Season

Last 5

D

15.7

4star

K

7.8

3star

HB

7.9

5star

M

3.2

3star

T

2.6

4star

MG

222.2

3star

D

14.6

4star

K

6.8

3star

HB

7.9

4star

M

3.8

4star

T

1.8

3star

MG

191.9

3star

D

14.4

4star

K

6.2

3star

HB

8.2

5star

M

1.6

2star

T

1.8

4star

MG

224.2

4star

to the West Coast Eagles.West Coast Eagles trade its Round One selection (currently 3) and both its Round Four selections (currently 63 and 68) in the 2024 Telstra AFL Draft to Carlton.
Carlton trade Matthew Owies, its Round One selection (currently 12) and its Round Four selection (currently 73) to West Coast Eagles. Carlton trade its Round One selection (currently 14 ) to Richmond.
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Melbourne trade its two 2024 Round 2 selections (currently 28 and 40), two 2024 Round 3 selections (currently 46 and 54), its 2024 Round 4 selection (currently 65) and its 2025 Round 1 selection to Essendon.
Essendon trade its 2024 Round 1 selection (currently 9) and its 2025 Round 3 selection in the 2024 and 2025 Telstra AFL Drafts respectively to Melbourne.
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Melbourne trade its 2025 Round 3 selection to the Adelaide Crows for its 2024 Round 3 selection (currently 46) in the 2024 and 2025 Telstra AFL Drafts respectively.
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Brisbane trade its 2024 Round 1 selection (currently 20) to Richmond for two 2024 Round 2 selections (currently 32 and 42) and two 2024 Round 3 selections (currently 43 and 45) in the 2024 Telstra AFL Draft.
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Carlton trade its 2024 Round 2 selection (currently 34) and 2024 Round 4 selection (currently 66) to Brisbane for its 2024 Round 4 selection (currently 73) and 2025 Round 2 selection in the 2024 and 2025 Telstra AFL Drafts respectively.
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Carlton trade its 2025 Round 1 selection and 2025 Round 2 selection (tied to Carlton) to Hawthorn for its 2024 Round 1 selection (currently 14) in the 2024 and 2025 Telstra AFL Drafts respectively.

Spoiler: 2024 Draft Picks

 

[Jeremy Jordan]

Surely any analysis on pick value should take into account all players reasonably available at a certain pick, rather than specifically those taken at 25?



Not all clubs will have the same talent order. You're better off looking at players drafted between 25-40 or so to determine the chances of getting a good player at that pick. Otherwise it's very flawed analysis.



It'd be like saying pick 23 sucks because Will Walker went there, ignoring that Balta, Kelly, Daniels, Ryan and Sam Taylor were all on the board too and predicted in that range.

I like it. And let’s attribute it to another trade. So by taking Shai Bolton, Dockers have given up the chance to take 2 of Tom Green, Pickett, Will Day, Cody Weightman, Sam De Koning (2019) Nick Blakey, Zac Butters, Issac Quaynor, Jordan Clarke, Bobby Hill, Tom Sparrow (2018) Darcy Fogarty, Zac Bailey, Ed Richards, Starcevich, Oscar Allen (2017).

Would you give up 2 of those players mentioned, for Shai Bolton. As that’s what Freo have done. As all those were available at pick 10 and 11.

 

[DocSholl]

I like it. And let’s attribute it to another trade. So by taking Shai Bolton, Dockers have given up the chance to take 2 of Tom Green, Pickett, Will Day, Cody Weightman, Sam De Koning (2019) Nick Blakey, Zac Butters, Issac Quaynor, Jordan Clarke, Bobby Hill, Tom Sparrow (2018) Darcy Fogarty, Zac Bailey, Ed Richards, Starcevich, Oscar Allen (2017).

Would you give up 2 of those players mentioned, for Shai Bolton. As that’s what Freo have done. As all those were available at pick 10 and 11.

It's a more.accurate way of assessing the trade than solely listing players taken at picks 10 and 11 only

 

[Tas]

I've ranked our trade period: 69

 

[Sphynx]

I like it. And let’s attribute it to another trade. So by taking Shai Bolton, Dockers have given up the chance to take 2 of Tom Green, Pickett, Will Day, Cody Weightman, Sam De Koning (2019) Nick Blakey, Zac Butters, Issac Quaynor, Jordan Clarke, Bobby Hill, Tom Sparrow (2018) Darcy Fogarty, Zac Bailey, Ed Richards, Starcevich, Oscar Allen (2017).

Would you give up 2 of those players mentioned, for Shai Bolton. As that’s what Freo have done. As all those were available at pick 10 and 11.

It's absolutely a consideration there.

The major difference being that Shai Bolton will be 26 for all of next season, is a front half match winner and Fremantle are a finals side with young depth across virtually every line.


Richmond obviously DID do it.

 

[Jeremy Jordan]

It's a more.accurate way of assessing the trade than solely listing players taken at picks 10 and 11 only

So look at the best case scenario of someone who could be picked at that pick? No one would ever trade picks.

 

[The Nostradamus]

the deal we at least should have done if we were going through with the stupidity of losing 25 for daniel is the saints pick swap with lions
they used 27 we could have used 25
Pick swap: St Kilda trade pick 27 to Brisbane for #32 & #45

then could have traded 32 for daniel
and held 45

 

[pupstar]

Pick 25 was overs, but whatever. We wanted a contracted player. You wouldn't wanted to be trading them out all the time.

On the flipside, the "steak knives" in the Parker deal was pick 20 2 years ago.

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Thats exactly the way to look at it not what Daniels cost us but what we gave up for the three of them together. It looks pretty fair to me.

 

[Jeremy Jordan]

It's absolutely a consideration there.

The major difference being that Shai Bolton will be 26 for all of next season, is a front half match winner and Fremantle are a finals side.


Richmond obviously DID do it.

But what if the next Patrick Cripps is available at pick 10, and the next Bont is at pick 11? Would you trade away those 2 for Shai Bolton?

 

[shinboner_99]

Find me Crosswell next year and l'll agree.

Mmmm That would be from a club that's reached it's peak and is on the way down .......Petracca?

 

[shinboner magic]

No use crying over spilt milk as it’s done now.
But if Hannaford is there at 25 - someone will feel my wrath.

 

[DocSholl]

So look at the best case scenario of someone who could be picked at that pick? No one would ever trade picks.

I don't think assessing who went at a particular pick in the past is a good way to assess the value of a pick or a trade in the first place. Context is important.

I was just pointing out that only considering players taken with a specific.pick number is flawed because it assumes every club would have picked the same player, or that there's a fixed order of talent.

 

[shinboner magic]

Brady should let tuggers stew till draft night if all they’re offering is 10-11 picks

 

[Hojuman]

Mmmm That would be from a club that's reached it's peak and is on the way down .......Petracca?

Couldn't polish the great man's boots.
Sicily may come close l reckon.

 

[zoomba23]

Mmmm That would be from a club that's reached it's peak and is on the way down .......Petracca?

Sheez is basically the same as Crosswell. Can play in every third of the ground, extremely skilled. Only issue is that Crosswell was a lot crosser than Sheez. So that might make Sheez just Well

 

[shinboner_99]

Couldn't polish the great man's boots.
Sicily may come close l reckon.

Gotta be getable. Too much upside at the Hawks!

 

[shinboner_99]

Sheez is basically the same as Crosswell. Can play in every third of the ground, extremely skilled. Only issue is that Crosswell was a lot crosser than Sheez. So that might make Sheez just Well

More talented than Crosswell - hasn't got the same flair!

 

[Roadrunner]

Just wondering, what happen if we are still bottom of the ladder next year with all those experiences player we got this year, will you all be disappointed?

 

[Hojuman]

Selling Brent a bit short there.

 

[gokangas]

I've ranked our trade period: 69

Great fun, terrible view.

 

[shinboner_99]

Selling Brent a bit short there.

Brent would drift in and out of games but do the spectacular things. Sheez is there all the time!

 

[Horizons_00]

Lmac and Jy had great leaders and roll models. Look at them now… devoid of leadership.

People keep talking about draft picks being magic beans. The only magic beans I see are Caleb, Parker and Darling the way they are being talked up on how their leadership is going to impact this playing list even well after their careers are over.

Absolutely this

Even LDU had Cunners etc

 

[Jeremy Jordan]

I don't think assessing who went at a particular pick in the past is a good way to assess the value of a pick or a trade in the first place. Context is important.

I was just pointing out that only considering players taken with a specific.pick number is flawed because it assumes every club would have picked the same player, or that there's a fixed order of talent.

But it does give some context that giving up this pick is not giving up a certain gun, it’s giving up the CHANCE to pick up a gun.

And as the history of pick 25 shows, and I assume if you looked at most of the pick selections in round 2 and 3 would be the same, it’s bloody hard to pick good players outside the first round. No club nails it consistently.

 

[zoomba23]

Just wondering, what happen if we are still bottom of the ladder next year with all those experiences player we got this year, will you all be disappointed?

This is definitely a question of all time.

I wasn't aware there was another appropriate reaction to that scenario

 

[backtothedraft]

But it does give some context that giving up this pick is not giving up a certain gun, it’s giving up the CHANCE to pick up a gun.

And as the history of pick 25 shows, and I assume if you looked at most of the pick selections in round 2 and 3 would be the same, it’s bloody hard to pick good players outside the first round. No club nails it consistently.

I think its also better to consider our history at picking at 25+ rather than other clubs

 

[Sticksphat]

Considering what we paid for ColemanJone 3 years ago then yeh, pick 25 for Daniel is not as bad.

Particularly when CD out performs CCJ in contested marks, goals and hit outs.