List Mgmt. 2024 Trade & List Management Thread - Part 3

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PicksClubsResult
15-10-24 - Pick TradeStKilda & BrisbaneBrisbane receives St Kilda's R2 (27) Pick
St Kilda receives Brisbane's R2 (32,45) Picks
14-10-24 - Pick TradeMelbourne & EssendonMelbourne receives Essendon's R1 (9), 2025 R3 Pick
Essendon receives Melbourne's 2025 F1, 2024 R2 (28,40), R3(46,54), R4 (65) Picks
14-10-24 - Pick TradeMelbourne & AdelaideAdelaide receives Melbourne's 2025 3R Pick
Melbourne receives Adelaide's 2024 3R(46) Pick
11-10-24 - Pick TradeBrisbane & RichmondRichmond receives Brisbane's 1R Pick (pick 20)
Brisbane receives Richmond's 2R (32,42), 3R (43,45) Picks
11-10-24 - Pick TradeCarlton & BrisbaneCarlton receives Brisbane's R4 (73), 2025 R2 Pick
Brisbane receives Carlton's R2(34), R4(66)
11-10-24 - Pick TradeCarlton & HawthornCarlton receives Hawthorn's R1(14) pick
Hawthorn receives Carlton's 2025 R1, R2 (tied to Carlton) picks


PlayerOriginal ClubTrade/FANew ClubResult
Daniel RioliRichmondTradeGold CoastGold Coast receive Richmond's Daniel Rioli, R4 (51,61,70,76) Picks
Richmond receive GC's R1(6), R2(23) Picks
Shai BoltonRichmondTradeFremantleFremantle receive Richmond's Shai Bolton, R1(14), 2025 R3 Pick.
Richmond receive Fremantle's R1(10,11,18) Picks
Harry SharpBrisbane & MelbourneTradeMelbourneMelbourne receives Brisbane's Harry Sharp, 2025 R3 pick (tied to Brisbane)
Brisbane receives Melbourne's 2024 R3(49), 2025 R3 pick (tied to Essendon).
Dan Houston
Jack Lukosius
Joe Richards
Rory Atkins
John Noble		Port Adelaide
Gold Coast
Collingwood
Gold Coast
Collingwood		TradeCollingwood
Port Adelaide
Port Adelaide
Port Adelaide
Gold Coast		Port Adelaide receives GC's R1(13),GC R2(29,36), GC R3(50) Picks, Jack Lukosius, Joe Richards, Rory Atkins
Gold Coast receives Collingwood's 2025 F1, PA's 2025 F1, PA R2(39)
Collingwood receive Dan Houston, PA R4(58)
Matt Owies
Liam Baker		Carlton & RichmondTradeWest CoastRound 1 pick (3), Round 4 (63,68) to Carlton
Round 1 Pick (14) to Richmond
Round 1 Pick(12), R4 (73) to WCE
Liam Baker to WCE
Matt Owies to WCE
Isaac CummingGWSUFAAdelaideEnd of Round 1 Compo (pick 21) to GWS
Josh BattleSt KildaUFAHawthornRound 1 Compo (Pick 8) to St.Kilda
Tom CampbellSt KildaDFAMelbourneNo Compensation
Harry PerrymanGWSUFACollingwoodRound 1 Compo (Pick 16) to GWS
Elliott HimmelbergAdelaideUFAGold CoastNo Compensation
Nick HaynesGWSUFACarltonNo Compensation
Alex Neal-BullenMelbourneTradeAdelaideRound 2 Pick (28) to Melbourne
Jack DarlingWest CoastTradeNorth MelbourneRound 4 pick (68) to WCE
Jack GrahamRichmondUFAWest CoastEnd of Round 2 Compo (Pick 42) to Richmond

Brisbane Lions trade Harry Sharp and its 2025 Round 3 pick (tied to Brisbane) to Melbourne for its 2024 Round 3 pick (currently 49) and its 2025 Round 3 pick (tied to Essendon).
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Collingwood get Houston and Pick 58 and give up: a future first round pick, Joe Richards to Port and John Noble to Gold Coast

Port get Jack Lukosius, Richards, Rory Atkins, picks 13, 29, 36 and 50 in this year’s draft while letting Houston go to Collingwood, their future first round pick, pick 39 in this year’s goes to Gold Coast and pick 58 goes to Collingwood.

Gold Coast get Noble, a future first round pick from each of Collingwood and Port Adelaide, and pick 39 (received from Port), while the Suns send Lukosius and Atkins, picks 13, 29 and 50 to Port Adelaide.
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St Kilda trade its Round Two selection (currently 27) to the Brisbane Lions for its Round Two selection (currently 32) and its Round Three selection (currently 45) in the 2024 Telstra AFL Draft.
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Three club trade approved.Richmond trade Liam Baker to the West Coast Eagles.West Coast Eagles trade its Round One selection (currently 3) and both its Round Four selections (currently 63 and 68) in the 2024 Telstra AFL Draft to Carlton.
Carlton trade Matthew Owies, its Round One selection (currently 12) and its Round Four selection (currently 73) to West Coast Eagles. Carlton trade its Round One selection (currently 14 ) to Richmond.
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Melbourne trade its two 2024 Round 2 selections (currently 28 and 40), two 2024 Round 3 selections (currently 46 and 54), its 2024 Round 4 selection (currently 65) and its 2025 Round 1 selection to Essendon.
Essendon trade its 2024 Round 1 selection (currently 9) and its 2025 Round 3 selection in the 2024 and 2025 Telstra AFL Drafts respectively to Melbourne.
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Melbourne trade its 2025 Round 3 selection to the Adelaide Crows for its 2024 Round 3 selection (currently 46) in the 2024 and 2025 Telstra AFL Drafts respectively.
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Brisbane trade its 2024 Round 1 selection (currently 20) to Richmond for two 2024 Round 2 selections (currently 32 and 42) and two 2024 Round 3 selections (currently 43 and 45) in the 2024 Telstra AFL Draft.
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Carlton trade its 2024 Round 2 selection (currently 34) and 2024 Round 4 selection (currently 66) to Brisbane for its 2024 Round 4 selection (currently 73) and 2025 Round 2 selection in the 2024 and 2025 Telstra AFL Drafts respectively.
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Carlton trade its 2025 Round 1 selection and 2025 Round 2 selection (tied to Carlton) to Hawthorn for its 2024 Round 1 selection (currently 14) in the 2024 and 2025 Telstra AFL Drafts respectively.

 
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iloveireland said:
I fear FOS doesn’t get enough possession and we are relying too much on his junior year like WillPhil.

Would prefer the other big 3.
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Will Phill was drafted during Covid. Most of his draft have struggled.

It is not fair to use anyone from will Phil’s draft in a comparison with anyone from this year’s draft.
 
sheridan said:
Double I bet she asked for another lap, but said ‘this time go slower’.
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Some very good double entendre work there sheridan
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Kangaroos4eva said:
Will Phill was drafted during Covid. Most of his draft have struggled.

It is not fair to use anyone from will Phil’s draft in a comparison with anyone from this year’s draft.
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Yes, players in this draft have far less excuses because they've had the opportunity to play all year.

FOS's body of work this year does not warrant a top 3 pick.
 
DuckYeah said:
Inner sanctum might have clubs eyeing off number 2. That might be the reason we come out publicly. Threaten us with shit returns and we’ll just grab the second best mid in the draft. No point beating round the bush ere
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Yeah, I think that should be the default position, Id be happy to take any of FOS, Lalor, Langford or Smith with 2. All of them bring something different and you can't have enough talent through the door. Although I've got this nagging feeling like Caddy last year, the guy most people have written off focusing on their negatives to much is Smilie. I think he'll be a gun, probably best of the draft pool.
 
Better Loosen Up said:
Yes, players in this draft have far less excuses because they've had the opportunity to play all year.

FOS's body of work this year does not warrant a top 3 pick.
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From memory, didn't Wardlaw have a similar body of work due to injury in his draft year?

Just on another note, I wouldn't like to see the Roos draft another ~180cm midfielder. So no FoS for me.
 
CURVE said:
There is no way we get 6 and 11 for pick 2, the points difference is too great, it's over 550pts which is the equivalent of a late second round pick, Richmond would be stupid to even consider it unless we included a future first or second to get it over the line, and I would hope we aren't stupid enough to give away our future first.

Also, I don't think we have the leverage, we are the ones with only one pick in the first three rounds and are desperate to get a second first round pick, all the clubs know we have gone midfield heavy over the last 3 or 4 drafts and looking at KP talent this draft and it's probably too big a risk to take someone like an Armstrong, Trainor or whomever with the second pick.

If Richmond offer 6 and 18, I'd suggest we take it and try and use 18 and future pick to move up further if we fear a player we are targeting may get poached by another club.
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The 550 points mean nothing if you want a guaranteed gun at 2.

1 & 2 would set up their midfield for the next 10 years.

Pick 6 and 11they can end up with the 2nd level of mids which can be MEH.

Will be interesting to see how this plays out.

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Sphynx said:
We may only have 1 pick, but we are also one of the clubs with more first round talent than most of them combined already on the list. We are the ones with a 3rd year Sheezel who was statistically the second best teenager to grace an AFL field in history this season. etc. We already have top end talent, game breakers (probably to the extent that aren't even in this draft) We can afford far more risk than they can.

One of your lines is one I keep reading frequently around the forums and it’s frustrating. “All the clubs know we have gone midfield heavy”.

Yeah, so? We still have depth to flesh out there, unless you don't think FOS on a wing opposite McKercher wouldn't have opposition coaches nervous in the coming years? We played Dylan Stephens and Liam Shiels at times on the wings last year. A McKercher & FOS wing combo is an absolute game changer in the coming years.

All the clubs also know we unearthed one of the best rucks in the comp last season.

We had Comben average the most intercept marks per game behind only Andrews and Taylor when in his first season in defence last season. He looked every bit an elite top line CHB all year.

Larkey 1 season removed from an AA jacket and a 70 goal season.

We took 2 x talls in the first round of last years draft also.


Talls are definately a list need, but we are nowhere near the position we were pre the 2023 draft with the seasons Xerri and Comben have just had. Both bailed out Brady, big time.

Ideally we take a KPF this year, but best available and best value still remains the priority. Whether it Lalor or FOS, both easily fit in nicely long term in our side.

Can Richmond afford to trade 4 of their senior players, take in 10,000 points to the draft and walk away with just Lalor and a maybe 1-2 other genuine mids who might in reality be 10-20 types in most drafts? Look at how Simpkin is attempting to now fit into a young (potentially elite) midfield group.

It wont be their only draft, but Lalor, Reid and Hynes is hardly Sheezel/Wardlaw/McKercher or adding Lombard to Rowell/Anderson etc is it?
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Absolutely spot on.



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CURVE said:
You're looking backwards calling out what they did last season, McKercher isn't spending his career as a halfback, he is being developed to become one of our future midfielders and you'd think Powell will also spend more time through the midfield as he continues to develop. Phillips, I'm not sure about him, but we did draft him to play in the midfield.

Cal Twomey ranked Langford at #2 in his last Phantom Guide, he can play midfield and forward, personally I wouldn't dismiss him as a potential selection.

Smillie (Twomey ranked him at #7) is less likely but his height and power is a point of difference.
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I wasn’t referring to Powell in that respect, I was referring to Sheezel.

Even when he moved into the middle he spent 32% of his total TOG from that point in the forward line.

I’ve seen enough of Harvey Langford, I’ve met him a number of times and know what person and player he is.

Im not dismissing him, I just don't think he'd be a smart pic for us. It would render Powell and Phillips redundant, or Langford himself redundant if Powell ends up the better player.

He might play temporarily in defence, but as you have mentioned with McKercher, you would be looking backwards assuming that's where he'd fit in the side long term.

He's a balanced midfielder that excels around clearance. With poor leg speed. He has question marks on how that versatility will translate to a faster AFL field.

I just think FOS and Lalor are much better fits. My personal preference is, if we can't get either of those two (or Draper at a stretch), we should trade back for either Armstrong or Tauru.

That's not to say that we have no options like you are inferring. I think most list managers would absolute hate the fact we can add FOS or Lalor to our group of young players.
 

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DesertRoo said:
Yeah, I think that should be the default position, Id be happy to take any of FOS, Lalor, Langford or Smith with 2. All of them bring something different and you can't have enough talent through the door. Although I've got this nagging feeling like Caddy last year, the guy most people have written off focusing on their negatives to much is Smilie. I think he'll be a gun, probably best of the draft pool.
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We have enough shit kicks. Pass on Smillie
 
The Anvil said:
From memory, didn't Wardlaw have a similar body of work due to injury in his draft year?

Just on another note, I wouldn't like to see the Roos draft another ~180cm midfielder. So no FoS for me.
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Agree we need a big midfielder now
 
DuckYeah said:
We have enough shit kicks. Pass on Smillie
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lol, is this another mckercher can't kick?
but in all seriousness, I could see him playing off hbf for a couple of years and moving into the middle for impact.
similar to what hodge did at hawthorn.
just get the feeling people are writing him off way to early
 
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Personally I think Lalor is the best in it talent wise. Has scope to be a top 5/10 game breaking type midfielder. Worry about his body and also fit in the team as a forward early on - would be a pick for the future for sure, but seems destined to pull on the black and gold with pick 1.

Draper I think is the safest bet, speed and agility, burst from stoppage, repeat efforts. Wish there was scope for him to have played in other positions. Jagga as well, elite clearance player, like elite, smart running patterns.

Lowered my position on FOS, he can roam around looking like absolute silk but his consistency worries me. That being said top 5 without a doubt on talent, just a different mover.

Don’t see the appeal of Langford in the top 5. He’s a nice player but none of his traits scream ‘star’ to me. Can play footy, but he’s more Blake Acres than Marcus Bontempelli in my eyes.

Talls I’d throw a blanket over Shanahan / Armstrong & the Whitlocks. Unsure any will be the elite alpha type key forward, but nice key forwards to have - an upgrade on our developing stocks if we can get them with anywhere from 15-25. Think they will develop into the wrungs of Hipwood / Marshall / Georgiades / Van Rooyen / L McDonald, at that level where they can contribute to 40 goals in a good side but not be a game changer.

Tauru I think has the traits to be a game changer up forward (more in the mould of a Riewoldt / Brown / Naughton / Curnow), but is raw and under exposed as a forward. He’s definitely grown on me as I watch more of him.

Hotton is the dark horse I’d take if we were able to get multiple 1sts. I have a hunch he would’ve been my no 1 if he played the full year. I think he’s tracking to return to play early next year, so not necessarily a write-off.
 
Makeshift Park said:
2 for 5 and 9 doesn’t make sense for them.

You won’t find a dees fan who thinks it’s an improvement on their hand.
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Sure, they might just sit with what they have. Just pointing out they aren't afraid to trade up if they really rate a kid in the top two more than what they'd get at 5 and 9. Their list manager didn't rule moving up the order.
 

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