List Mgmt. 2024 Trade & List Management Thread - Part 3

giantroo · Oct 4, 2024

Picks	Clubs	Result
15-10-24 - Pick Trade	StKilda & Brisbane	Brisbane receives St Kilda's R2 (27) Pick St Kilda receives Brisbane's R2 (32,45) Picks
14-10-24 - Pick Trade	Melbourne & Essendon	Melbourne receives Essendon's R1 (9), 2025 R3 Pick Essendon receives Melbourne's 2025 F1, 2024 R2 (28,40), R3(46,54), R4 (65) Picks
14-10-24 - Pick Trade	Melbourne & Adelaide	Adelaide receives Melbourne's 2025 3R Pick Melbourne receives Adelaide's 2024 3R(46) Pick
11-10-24 - Pick Trade	Brisbane & Richmond	Richmond receives Brisbane's 1R Pick (pick 20) Brisbane receives Richmond's 2R (32,42), 3R (43,45) Picks
11-10-24 - Pick Trade	Carlton & Brisbane	Carlton receives Brisbane's R4 (73), 2025 R2 Pick Brisbane receives Carlton's R2(34), R4(66)
11-10-24 - Pick Trade	Carlton & Hawthorn	Carlton receives Hawthorn's R1(14) pick Hawthorn receives Carlton's 2025 R1, R2 (tied to Carlton) picks

Player	Original Club	Trade/FA	New Club	Result
Daniel Rioli	Richmond	Trade	Gold Coast	Gold Coast receive Richmond's Daniel Rioli 17 Daniel Rioli Age 27 Ht 179cm Wt 78kg Pos. Def Career Season Last 5 D 11.2 3 K 5.8 2 HB 5.4 4 M 2.7 3 T 3.2 5 MG 179.2 3 D 8.1 2 K 4.9 2 HB 3.3 2 M 2.0 2 T 2.6 4 MG 144.9 3 D 9.0 3 K 3.8 2 HB 5.2 4 M 0.8 1 T 3.8 5 MG 160.2 3 , R4 (51,61,70,76) Picks Richmond receive GC's R1(6), R2(23) Picks
Shai Bolton	Richmond	Trade	Fremantle	Fremantle receive Richmond's Shai Bolton 29 Shai Bolton Age 25 Ht 176cm Wt 77kg Pos. M/F Career Season Last 5 D 12.3 3 K 6.9 3 HB 5.4 4 M 2.8 3 T 2.9 4 CL 1.4 4 D 12.7 3 K 9.2 4 HB 3.5 2 M 3.0 3 T 2.7 4 CL 1.8 4 D 9.2 3 K 4.6 2 HB 4.6 4 M 2.0 3 T 2.6 4 CL 0.0 1 , R1(14), 2025 R3 Pick. Richmond receive Fremantle's R1(10,11,18) Picks
Harry Sharp	Brisbane & Melbourne	Trade	Melbourne	Melbourne receives Brisbane's Harry Sharp, 2025 R3 pick (tied to Brisbane) Brisbane receives Melbourne's 2024 R3(49), 2025 R3 pick (tied to Essendon).
Dan Houston Jack Lukosius 13 Jack Lukosius Age 24 Ht 195cm Wt 91kg Pos. D/F Career Season Last 5 D 14.8 4 K 11.5 4 HB 3.3 3 M 3.4 3 T 1.8 4 MG 369.3 5 D 14.8 4 K 11.5 4 HB 3.3 2 M 3.4 3 T 1.8 3 MG 369.3 5 D 13.6 4 K 11.2 4 HB 2.4 3 M 4.2 4 T 2.2 4 MG 358.0 5 Joe Richards Rory Atkins 2 Rory Atkins Age 30 Ht 185cm Wt 82kg Pos. Def Career Season Last 5 D 19.9 5 K 12.1 4 HB 7.9 5 M 4.6 4 T 1.9 4 MG 367.4 5 D 9.0 2 K 5.0 2 HB 4.0 3 M 0.3 1 T 2.7 4 MG 147.7 3 D 14.2 4 K 8.8 4 HB 5.4 4 M 4.0 4 T 1.2 3 MG 217.8 4 John Noble 9 John Noble Age 27 Ht 180cm Wt 72kg Pos. Def Career Season Last 5 D 16.3 4 K 9.2 4 HB 7.1 4 M 3.5 4 T 2.0 4 MG 186.1 3 D 14.2 3 K 7.7 3 HB 6.5 4 M 3.2 3 T 1.8 3 MG 149.7 3 D 18.8 5 K 11.0 4 HB 7.8 5 M 4.0 4 T 2.2 4 MG 229.8 4	Port Adelaide Gold Coast Collingwood Gold Coast Collingwood	Trade	Collingwood Port Adelaide Port Adelaide Port Adelaide Gold Coast	Port Adelaide receives GC's R1(13),GC R2(29,36), GC R3(50) Picks, Jack Lukosius 13 Jack Lukosius Age 24 Ht 195cm Wt 91kg Pos. D/F Career Season Last 5 D 14.8 4 K 11.5 4 HB 3.3 3 M 3.4 3 T 1.8 4 MG 369.3 5 D 14.8 4 K 11.5 4 HB 3.3 2 M 3.4 3 T 1.8 3 MG 369.3 5 D 13.6 4 K 11.2 4 HB 2.4 3 M 4.2 4 T 2.2 4 MG 358.0 5 , Joe Richards, Rory Atkins 2 Rory Atkins Age 30 Ht 185cm Wt 82kg Pos. Def Career Season Last 5 D 19.9 5 K 12.1 4 HB 7.9 5 M 4.6 4 T 1.9 4 MG 367.4 5 D 9.0 2 K 5.0 2 HB 4.0 3 M 0.3 1 T 2.7 4 MG 147.7 3 D 14.2 4 K 8.8 4 HB 5.4 4 M 4.0 4 T 1.2 3 MG 217.8 4 Gold Coast receives Collingwood's 2025 F1, PA's 2025 F1, PA R2(39) Collingwood receive Dan Houston 5 Dan Houston Age 27 Ht 186cm Wt 88kg Pos. Def Career Season Last 5 D 18.2 5 K 11.8 4 HB 6.4 4 M 4.9 5 T 3.0 5 MG 289.2 4 D 17.6 4 K 11.6 4 HB 6.0 3 M 3.3 3 T 3.4 4 MG 319.9 5 D 16.6 4 K 12.4 5 HB 4.2 4 M 7.0 5 T 2.6 4 MG 279.8 5 , PA R4(58)
Matt Owies Liam Baker 7 Liam Baker Age 26 Ht 173cm Wt 72kg Pos. D/F Career Season Last 5 D 15.7 4 K 7.8 3 HB 7.9 5 M 3.2 3 T 2.6 4 MG 222.2 3 D 14.6 4 K 6.8 3 HB 7.9 4 M 3.8 4 T 1.8 3 MG 191.9 3 D 14.4 4 K 6.2 3 HB 8.2 5 M 1.6 2 T 1.8 4 MG 224.2 4	Carlton & Richmond	Trade	West Coast	Round 1 pick (3), Round 4 (63,68) to Carlton Round 1 Pick (14) to Richmond Round 1 Pick(12), R4 (73) to WCE Liam Baker 7 Liam Baker Age 26 Ht 173cm Wt 72kg Pos. D/F Career Season Last 5 D 15.7 4 K 7.8 3 HB 7.9 5 M 3.2 3 T 2.6 4 MG 222.2 3 D 14.6 4 K 6.8 3 HB 7.9 4 M 3.8 4 T 1.8 3 MG 191.9 3 D 14.4 4 K 6.2 3 HB 8.2 5 M 1.6 2 T 1.8 4 MG 224.2 4 to WCE Matt Owies to WCE
Isaac Cumming	GWS	UFA	Adelaide	End of Round 1 Compo (pick 21) to GWS
Josh Battle	St Kilda	UFA	Hawthorn	Round 1 Compo (Pick 8) to St.Kilda
Tom Campbell	St Kilda	DFA	Melbourne	No Compensation
Harry Perryman	GWS	UFA	Collingwood	Round 1 Compo (Pick 16) to GWS
Elliott Himmelberg	Adelaide	UFA	Gold Coast	No Compensation
Nick Haynes	GWS	UFA	Carlton	No Compensation
Alex Neal-Bullen	Melbourne	Trade	Adelaide	Round 2 Pick (28) to Melbourne
Jack Darling	West Coast	Trade	North Melbourne	Round 4 pick (68) to WCE
Jack Graham	Richmond	UFA	West Coast	End of Round 2 Compo (Pick 42) to Richmond

Brisbane Lions trade Harry Sharp and its 2025 Round 3 pick (tied to Brisbane) to Melbourne for its 2024 Round 3 pick (currently 49) and its 2025 Round 3 pick (tied to Essendon).
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Collingwood get Houston and Pick 58 and give up: a future first round pick, Joe Richards to Port and John Noble to Gold Coast

Port get Jack Lukosius, Richards, Rory Atkins, picks 13, 29, 36 and 50 in this year’s draft while letting Houston go to Collingwood, their future first round pick, pick 39 in this year’s goes to Gold Coast and pick 58 goes to Collingwood.

Gold Coast get Noble, a future first round pick from each of Collingwood and Port Adelaide, and pick 39 (received from Port), while the Suns send Lukosius and Atkins, picks 13, 29 and 50 to Port Adelaide.
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St Kilda trade its Round Two selection (currently 27) to the Brisbane Lions for its Round Two selection (currently 32) and its Round Three selection (currently 45) in the 2024 Telstra AFL Draft.
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Three club trade approved.Richmond trade Liam Baker to the West Coast Eagles.West Coast Eagles trade its Round One selection (currently 3) and both its Round Four selections (currently 63 and 68) in the 2024 Telstra AFL Draft to Carlton.
Carlton trade Matthew Owies, its Round One selection (currently 12) and its Round Four selection (currently 73) to West Coast Eagles. Carlton trade its Round One selection (currently 14 ) to Richmond.
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Melbourne trade its two 2024 Round 2 selections (currently 28 and 40), two 2024 Round 3 selections (currently 46 and 54), its 2024 Round 4 selection (currently 65) and its 2025 Round 1 selection to Essendon.
Essendon trade its 2024 Round 1 selection (currently 9) and its 2025 Round 3 selection in the 2024 and 2025 Telstra AFL Drafts respectively to Melbourne.
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Melbourne trade its 2025 Round 3 selection to the Adelaide Crows for its 2024 Round 3 selection (currently 46) in the 2024 and 2025 Telstra AFL Drafts respectively.
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Brisbane trade its 2024 Round 1 selection (currently 20) to Richmond for two 2024 Round 2 selections (currently 32 and 42) and two 2024 Round 3 selections (currently 43 and 45) in the 2024 Telstra AFL Draft.
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Carlton trade its 2024 Round 2 selection (currently 34) and 2024 Round 4 selection (currently 66) to Brisbane for its 2024 Round 4 selection (currently 73) and 2025 Round 2 selection in the 2024 and 2025 Telstra AFL Drafts respectively.
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Carlton trade its 2025 Round 1 selection and 2025 Round 2 selection (tied to Carlton) to Hawthorn for its 2024 Round 1 selection (currently 14) in the 2024 and 2025 Telstra AFL Drafts respectively.

The Nostradamus · 2024-10-22T17:09:43+1100

the big lebowski said:
I’m surprised

I thought Durdin was undelistable

Durdin getting a train on spot with them for SSP

shintemaster · 2024-10-22T17:13:12+1100

kool kangas said:
l would take #15 and #16 for our F1st and then Give the Tiggers Pick #2 for #6 and #10/#11 so we end up with either

#6, #10, #15 and #16
or
#6, #11, #15 and #16

If we have 15 & 16 we don't have any pressing want to trade #2.

North1411 · 2024-10-22T17:15:34+1100

sregit said:
Only sensible trade scenario I’ve seen on either Richmond or North boards. Both sides desperately trying to win here. Personally I’m hoping nothing gets done.

I would rather pick 23 and 24 then trade one on the night to the highest bidder

kool kangas · 2024-10-22T17:22:31+1100

shintemaster said:
If we have 15 & 16 we don't have any pressing want to trade #2.

We could still get a good mid with 6 and have an extra pick either with 10 or 11 especially with such an even draft...

l still believe in getting two for the price of one is the better option...if we already have 15 and 16..

tales129 · 2024-10-22T17:59:23+1100

Sphynx said:
It's a good point that needs to be repeated.

Just because it's the same pool, doesn't mean you get a player of comparable quality.

Pick 2 might only move for Ashcroft.

6 could move that same single pick, but 10 could move 3-4 spots.

It's really going to be 3 for 7 & 13-14

And once again it doesn’t matter because those going at those fictitious picks above us will not be available to us through their ties to other clubs.

13-14 doesn’t matter when neither of Lombard, Ashcroft or Kako aren’t feasibly accessible

The Big O · 2024-10-22T18:00:44+1100

With both Richmond and Melbourne needing a key forward, will Armstrong still be there at 10 or 11 if we split 2? I'd take him with our first pick, whether it be 2 or 6.

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Masked Avenger · 2024-10-22T18:22:27+1100

year of the roo said:
I'm amazed how many on here would do this. Were they not alive during the Scott years? Not having premium draft picks and instead settling for picks in the teens is what got us into this mess in the beginning.

Yep. Only twice in the last 10 drafts have the players picked at 15 and 16 outperformed the player picked at pick 2 in the corresponding draft. No thanks.

Twangler · 2024-10-22T18:24:13+1100

It would be an almighty coup if we pulled off 15 and 16 for F1. But for 13 alone we were looking to trade f1 (plus extras) to GC so I’d be astonished if GWS agreed to this when there is negligible difference between 13 and 15 in this draft.

MinistryOfMajak · 2024-10-22T18:38:18+1100

perplexed said:
I'd forgotten about that. The coke bit that is, I knew he was fat. But he had a great year in VFL with the new ruck rules.

If X goes down we don't have anyone who can ruck, our best option could be Maley - which is pretty dire.

Teaks mate.

Looked serviceable in the ruck at least.

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krakouers · 2024-10-22T18:43:01+1100

ferball said:
Do we need a fat coke dealer at the club?

Are we targeting Oliver then?

perplexed · 2024-10-22T18:46:23+1100

MinistryOfMajak said:
Teaks mate.

Looked serviceable in the ruck at least.

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He'd be the first way we turn, but I don't rate him at all as a ruck. Whenever X took a break last year we got smashed.

shinboner magic · 2024-10-22T18:55:43+1100

In a supposed great draft - why are gws going to hand over 15-16 for a future pick

LB2Snake · 2024-10-22T19:00:29+1100

shinboner magic said:
In a supposed great draft - why are gws going to hand over 15-16 for a future pick

Because it could be pick 2 maybe?

perplexed · 2024-10-22T19:03:28+1100

shinboner magic said:
In a supposed great draft - why are gws going to hand over 15-16 for a future pick

They aren't. They lost a few this year and don't have any academy players. Highly likely that they use their picks.

DANMAN · 2024-10-22T19:08:40+1100

Question. And apologies if it’s been mentioned before.
If LDU does leave and we don’t match the offer as a UFA , and we trade out our 1st Rounder next year ,that’s likely to be a top 4 pick , for picks for this season , do we only get a pick after our first pick ? Potentially something around 21/22 ?
Or do we have to keep our early pick to get another early pick , say pick 4 and 5.
I’m unsure of the ruling

perplexed · 2024-10-22T19:12:43+1100

DANMAN said:
Question. And apologies if it’s been mentioned before.
If LDU does leave and we don’t match the offer as a UFA , and we trade out our 1st Rounder next year ,that’s likely to be a top 4 pick , for picks for this season , do we only get a pick after our first pick ? Potentially something around 21/22 ?
Or do we have to keep our early pick to get another early pick , say pick 4 and 5.
I’m unsure of the ruling

It would still be tied to ladder position regardless of where of picks had been traded to.

DANMAN · 2024-10-22T19:16:49+1100

perplexed said:
It would still be tied to ladder position regardless of where of picks had been traded to.

Cheers , so potentially not the end of the world if he leaves . Confident with improvement he stays

Shinboner1 · 2024-10-22T19:17:59+1100

DANMAN said:
Question. And apologies if it’s been mentioned before.
If LDU does leave and we don’t match the offer as a UFA , and we trade out our 1st Rounder next year ,that’s likely to be a top 4 pick , for picks for this season , do we only get a pick after our first pick ? Potentially something around 21/22 ?
Or do we have to keep our early pick to get another early pick , say pick 4 and 5.
I’m unsure of the ruling

It works off ladder position.
The only way we'd be getting pick 20+ is if we win the premiership

Nutjob · 2024-10-22T19:40:04+1100

shinboner magic said:
In a supposed great draft - why are gws going to hand over 15-16 for a future pick

Because it will be a top 4 pick next year. Regardless of how good this draft is, I don’t want to do that trade. I would rather trade pick 2 for 6 & 18 with Richmond and keep our F1.

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chubbspeterson · 2024-10-22T19:59:53+1100

The Dingrel said:
Yeah that's a good call. But wonder if we're a little compromised by signalling we looking to split and slide. Eg, say Carlton want FOS, and tiges take Smith at 1, kind of signals the player we really wan't isn't FOS....the slide a bit but not too far could be Tauru, Armstrong, Smillie, even,,,,but most likely not FOS, Draper, Smith, or possibly Langford or Lalor who most seem to think are #1 contenders (maybe not Draper but most would suggest ahead of the 6ish spot we're prepared to slide to). That then signals to say Melbourne a handful of players we are indeed after and they get in ahead of us at 5. Im kind of for holding 2, unless for a godfather offer, and just take the player we want and try to trade futures into the draft. Against that though is if there are a few players available around there where we are genuinely indifferent between! Dunno, will be intriguing, but I sure as hell hope Caleb Daniel is best on ground every week, and is a genuine bnf contender.

Yep. I was thinking if we moved our F2 before the draft, then that removes the supposed "they need to split" leverage.
But the downside to this would be moving our F1 if we wanted to becomes tougher unless we get a F2 back in the deal.
So we'll see what happens. If we get what we want in a deal, we might do it before, but I suspect the AFL will want the "draft night trade" excitement, even though most deals have probably been agreed on before it lol.

shintemaster · 2024-10-22T20:03:14+1100

kool kangas said:
We could still get a good mid with 6 and have an extra pick either with 10 or 11 especially with such an even draft...

l still believe in getting two for the price of one is the better option...if we already have 15 and 16..

Maybe, maybe not.

There are no guarantees, and I think people are reading way too much into the "even" draft. It still has a pointy end like any other and if teams want to trade for pick 2 that should tell us to be very careful about whether that is in our best interests. We already have a mountain of young players on our team. Yes we need some KPP developing depth, but nothing we draft for that this year will make a lick of difference in the short term.

chubbspeterson · 2024-10-22T20:25:15+1100

year of the roo said:
I'm amazed how many on here would do this. Were they not alive during the Scott years? Not having premium draft picks and instead settling for picks in the teens is what got us into this mess in the beginning.

I would generally agree because its a top 5 pick next year even with 6-8 wins.
But we should be open to anything if it gets us the players we want. Teams trading F1's will become frequent to get kids in the teens as these academy and F/S bids are going to push 2nd rounders back into mid/late 20's by the looks of it.
Two years of trading futures opens up lots of possibilities as well. Freo's 14 and F1 is another option vs GWS 15/16.

chubbspeterson · 2024-10-22T20:29:18+1100

shinboner magic said:
In a supposed great draft - why are gws going to hand over 15-16 for a future pick

I think they said they're open to moving one of 15/16/21 providing "they get the players they want" in the draft.

hilly · 2024-10-22T20:35:20+1100

Shinboner1 said:
if we win the premiership

Make it happen Konstantys

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