List Mgmt. 2024 Trade & List Management Thread - Part 3

giantroo · Oct 4, 2024

Picks	Clubs	Result
15-10-24 - Pick Trade	StKilda & Brisbane	Brisbane receives St Kilda's R2 (27) Pick St Kilda receives Brisbane's R2 (32,45) Picks
14-10-24 - Pick Trade	Melbourne & Essendon	Melbourne receives Essendon's R1 (9), 2025 R3 Pick Essendon receives Melbourne's 2025 F1, 2024 R2 (28,40), R3(46,54), R4 (65) Picks
14-10-24 - Pick Trade	Melbourne & Adelaide	Adelaide receives Melbourne's 2025 3R Pick Melbourne receives Adelaide's 2024 3R(46) Pick
11-10-24 - Pick Trade	Brisbane & Richmond	Richmond receives Brisbane's 1R Pick (pick 20) Brisbane receives Richmond's 2R (32,42), 3R (43,45) Picks
11-10-24 - Pick Trade	Carlton & Brisbane	Carlton receives Brisbane's R4 (73), 2025 R2 Pick Brisbane receives Carlton's R2(34), R4(66)
11-10-24 - Pick Trade	Carlton & Hawthorn	Carlton receives Hawthorn's R1(14) pick Hawthorn receives Carlton's 2025 R1, R2 (tied to Carlton) picks

Player	Original Club	Trade/FA	New Club	Result
Daniel Rioli	Richmond	Trade	Gold Coast	Gold Coast receive Richmond's Daniel Rioli 17 Daniel Rioli Age 27 Ht 179cm Wt 78kg Pos. Def Career Season Last 5 D 11.2 3 K 5.8 2 HB 5.4 4 M 2.7 3 T 3.2 5 MG 179.2 3 D 8.1 2 K 4.9 2 HB 3.3 2 M 2.0 2 T 2.6 4 MG 144.9 3 D 9.0 3 K 3.8 2 HB 5.2 4 M 0.8 1 T 3.8 5 MG 160.2 3 , R4 (51,61,70,76) Picks Richmond receive GC's R1(6), R2(23) Picks
Shai Bolton	Richmond	Trade	Fremantle	Fremantle receive Richmond's Shai Bolton 29 Shai Bolton Age 25 Ht 176cm Wt 77kg Pos. M/F Career Season Last 5 D 12.3 3 K 6.9 3 HB 5.4 4 M 2.8 3 T 2.9 4 CL 1.4 4 D 12.7 3 K 9.2 4 HB 3.5 2 M 3.0 3 T 2.7 4 CL 1.8 4 D 9.2 3 K 4.6 2 HB 4.6 4 M 2.0 3 T 2.6 4 CL 0.0 1 , R1(14), 2025 R3 Pick. Richmond receive Fremantle's R1(10,11,18) Picks
Harry Sharp	Brisbane & Melbourne	Trade	Melbourne	Melbourne receives Brisbane's Harry Sharp, 2025 R3 pick (tied to Brisbane) Brisbane receives Melbourne's 2024 R3(49), 2025 R3 pick (tied to Essendon).
Dan Houston Jack Lukosius 13 Jack Lukosius Age 24 Ht 195cm Wt 91kg Pos. D/F Career Season Last 5 D 14.8 4 K 11.5 4 HB 3.3 3 M 3.4 3 T 1.8 4 MG 369.3 5 D 14.8 4 K 11.5 4 HB 3.3 2 M 3.4 3 T 1.8 3 MG 369.3 5 D 13.6 4 K 11.2 4 HB 2.4 3 M 4.2 4 T 2.2 4 MG 358.0 5 Joe Richards Rory Atkins 2 Rory Atkins Age 30 Ht 185cm Wt 82kg Pos. Def Career Season Last 5 D 19.9 5 K 12.1 4 HB 7.9 5 M 4.6 4 T 1.9 4 MG 367.4 5 D 9.0 2 K 5.0 2 HB 4.0 3 M 0.3 1 T 2.7 4 MG 147.7 3 D 14.2 4 K 8.8 4 HB 5.4 4 M 4.0 4 T 1.2 3 MG 217.8 4 John Noble 9 John Noble Age 27 Ht 180cm Wt 72kg Pos. Def Career Season Last 5 D 16.3 4 K 9.2 4 HB 7.1 4 M 3.5 4 T 2.0 4 MG 186.1 3 D 14.2 3 K 7.7 3 HB 6.5 4 M 3.2 3 T 1.8 3 MG 149.7 3 D 18.8 5 K 11.0 4 HB 7.8 5 M 4.0 4 T 2.2 4 MG 229.8 4	Port Adelaide Gold Coast Collingwood Gold Coast Collingwood	Trade	Collingwood Port Adelaide Port Adelaide Port Adelaide Gold Coast	Port Adelaide receives GC's R1(13),GC R2(29,36), GC R3(50) Picks, Jack Lukosius 13 Jack Lukosius Age 24 Ht 195cm Wt 91kg Pos. D/F Career Season Last 5 D 14.8 4 K 11.5 4 HB 3.3 3 M 3.4 3 T 1.8 4 MG 369.3 5 D 14.8 4 K 11.5 4 HB 3.3 2 M 3.4 3 T 1.8 3 MG 369.3 5 D 13.6 4 K 11.2 4 HB 2.4 3 M 4.2 4 T 2.2 4 MG 358.0 5 , Joe Richards, Rory Atkins 2 Rory Atkins Age 30 Ht 185cm Wt 82kg Pos. Def Career Season Last 5 D 19.9 5 K 12.1 4 HB 7.9 5 M 4.6 4 T 1.9 4 MG 367.4 5 D 9.0 2 K 5.0 2 HB 4.0 3 M 0.3 1 T 2.7 4 MG 147.7 3 D 14.2 4 K 8.8 4 HB 5.4 4 M 4.0 4 T 1.2 3 MG 217.8 4 Gold Coast receives Collingwood's 2025 F1, PA's 2025 F1, PA R2(39) Collingwood receive Dan Houston 5 Dan Houston Age 27 Ht 186cm Wt 88kg Pos. Def Career Season Last 5 D 18.2 5 K 11.8 4 HB 6.4 4 M 4.9 5 T 3.0 5 MG 289.2 4 D 17.6 4 K 11.6 4 HB 6.0 3 M 3.3 3 T 3.4 4 MG 319.9 5 D 16.6 4 K 12.4 5 HB 4.2 4 M 7.0 5 T 2.6 4 MG 279.8 5 , PA R4(58)
Matt Owies Liam Baker 7 Liam Baker Age 26 Ht 173cm Wt 72kg Pos. D/F Career Season Last 5 D 15.7 4 K 7.8 3 HB 7.9 5 M 3.2 3 T 2.6 4 MG 222.2 3 D 14.6 4 K 6.8 3 HB 7.9 4 M 3.8 4 T 1.8 3 MG 191.9 3 D 14.4 4 K 6.2 3 HB 8.2 5 M 1.6 2 T 1.8 4 MG 224.2 4	Carlton & Richmond	Trade	West Coast	Round 1 pick (3), Round 4 (63,68) to Carlton Round 1 Pick (14) to Richmond Round 1 Pick(12), R4 (73) to WCE Liam Baker 7 Liam Baker Age 26 Ht 173cm Wt 72kg Pos. D/F Career Season Last 5 D 15.7 4 K 7.8 3 HB 7.9 5 M 3.2 3 T 2.6 4 MG 222.2 3 D 14.6 4 K 6.8 3 HB 7.9 4 M 3.8 4 T 1.8 3 MG 191.9 3 D 14.4 4 K 6.2 3 HB 8.2 5 M 1.6 2 T 1.8 4 MG 224.2 4 to WCE Matt Owies to WCE
Isaac Cumming	GWS	UFA	Adelaide	End of Round 1 Compo (pick 21) to GWS
Josh Battle	St Kilda	UFA	Hawthorn	Round 1 Compo (Pick 8) to St.Kilda
Tom Campbell	St Kilda	DFA	Melbourne	No Compensation
Harry Perryman	GWS	UFA	Collingwood	Round 1 Compo (Pick 16) to GWS
Elliott Himmelberg	Adelaide	UFA	Gold Coast	No Compensation
Nick Haynes	GWS	UFA	Carlton	No Compensation
Alex Neal-Bullen	Melbourne	Trade	Adelaide	Round 2 Pick (28) to Melbourne
Jack Darling	West Coast	Trade	North Melbourne	Round 4 pick (68) to WCE
Jack Graham	Richmond	UFA	West Coast	End of Round 2 Compo (Pick 42) to Richmond

Brisbane Lions trade Harry Sharp and its 2025 Round 3 pick (tied to Brisbane) to Melbourne for its 2024 Round 3 pick (currently 49) and its 2025 Round 3 pick (tied to Essendon).
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Collingwood get Houston and Pick 58 and give up: a future first round pick, Joe Richards to Port and John Noble to Gold Coast

Port get Jack Lukosius, Richards, Rory Atkins, picks 13, 29, 36 and 50 in this year’s draft while letting Houston go to Collingwood, their future first round pick, pick 39 in this year’s goes to Gold Coast and pick 58 goes to Collingwood.

Gold Coast get Noble, a future first round pick from each of Collingwood and Port Adelaide, and pick 39 (received from Port), while the Suns send Lukosius and Atkins, picks 13, 29 and 50 to Port Adelaide.
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St Kilda trade its Round Two selection (currently 27) to the Brisbane Lions for its Round Two selection (currently 32) and its Round Three selection (currently 45) in the 2024 Telstra AFL Draft.
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Three club trade approved.Richmond trade Liam Baker to the West Coast Eagles.West Coast Eagles trade its Round One selection (currently 3) and both its Round Four selections (currently 63 and 68) in the 2024 Telstra AFL Draft to Carlton.
Carlton trade Matthew Owies, its Round One selection (currently 12) and its Round Four selection (currently 73) to West Coast Eagles. Carlton trade its Round One selection (currently 14 ) to Richmond.
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Melbourne trade its two 2024 Round 2 selections (currently 28 and 40), two 2024 Round 3 selections (currently 46 and 54), its 2024 Round 4 selection (currently 65) and its 2025 Round 1 selection to Essendon.
Essendon trade its 2024 Round 1 selection (currently 9) and its 2025 Round 3 selection in the 2024 and 2025 Telstra AFL Drafts respectively to Melbourne.
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Melbourne trade its 2025 Round 3 selection to the Adelaide Crows for its 2024 Round 3 selection (currently 46) in the 2024 and 2025 Telstra AFL Drafts respectively.
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Brisbane trade its 2024 Round 1 selection (currently 20) to Richmond for two 2024 Round 2 selections (currently 32 and 42) and two 2024 Round 3 selections (currently 43 and 45) in the 2024 Telstra AFL Draft.
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Carlton trade its 2024 Round 2 selection (currently 34) and 2024 Round 4 selection (currently 66) to Brisbane for its 2024 Round 4 selection (currently 73) and 2025 Round 2 selection in the 2024 and 2025 Telstra AFL Drafts respectively.
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Carlton trade its 2025 Round 1 selection and 2025 Round 2 selection (tied to Carlton) to Hawthorn for its 2024 Round 1 selection (currently 14) in the 2024 and 2025 Telstra AFL Drafts respectively.

Midas · 2024-10-23T11:56:18+1100

There’s no way we’re getting 10 and 11 for next year’s first.

I’m putting that on record and OMG would I love to be wrong.

The Nostradamus · 2024-10-23T12:01:54+1100

Midas said:
There’s no way we’re getting 10 and 11 for next year’s first.

I’m putting that on record and OMG would I love to be wrong.

Richmond likely think we finish bottom 4 again so that would be fair

King Corey · 2024-10-23T12:06:56+1100

Lot of undervaluing of our F1 on here imo.

We've held a top 10 pick for 8 years in a row. Top 2 pick 5 years in a row.

We can should value it at a top 5 pick valuation, top 8 at worst.

Obviously combos of picks may equate to this, ie 10 + 11 etc.

Lomas · 2024-10-23T12:14:26+1100

King Corey said:
Lot of undervaluing of our F1 on here imo.

We've held a top 10 pick for 8 years in a row. Top 2 pick 5 years in a row.

We can should value it at a top 5 pick valuation, top 8 at worst.

Obviously combos of picks may equate to this, ie 10 + 11 etc.

It is also surprising that people have the approach ‘this draft is deep, so top picks more valuable this year’. If the draft isn’t as deep next year, and there is strong top end talent, why wouldn’t you want to get a high pick next year in a compromised draft?

roos_fanatic08 · 2024-10-23T12:16:49+1100

HBFlanker said:
Future 1st for picks 10 and 11 is in play I'm hearing.

Richmond are hesitant to give up pick 6 in this year's draft which is understandable.

Probably close to fair value. Will give them 2 consecutive years where they are likely to have 2 picks inside the top 6-8.

If that is the case, I think Richmond must be looking to bundle up their later first round picks for additional picks further up the list as well.

As much as Richmond fans think it's unlikely, I can't see them taking 7-8 picks this year alone. They'd be better off have 4-5 this year and 4/5 early picks next year.

year of the roo · 2024-10-23T12:21:03+1100

Lomas said:
It is also surprising that people have the approach ‘this draft is deep, so top picks more valuable this year’. If the draft isn’t as deep next year, and there is strong top end talent, why wouldn’t you want to get a high pick next year in a compromised draft?

The mistake people are making is they're falling in love with names (this draft) whereas in comparison to next year's draft they are just numbers at this stage. F1 is easy to dismiss against the bird in the hand of this draft, until your F1 has a name, a profile, some stats, a youtube clip or 10 and some testing results. Its a nuffy mistake, and hopefully one our club is not going to make again.

Pres · 2024-10-23T12:34:09+1100

year of the roo said:
The mistake people are making is they're falling in love with names (this draft) whereas in comparison to next year's draft they are just numbers at this stage. F1 is easy to dismiss against the bird in the hand of this draft, until your F1 has a name, a profile, some stats, a youtube clip or 10 and some testing results. Its a nuffy mistake, and hopefully one our club is not going to make again.

Yep agree. It's hard for some people to get emotionally invested in the unknown.

Heaps of fun · 2024-10-23T12:36:24+1100

I feel like draft forecasting a year out is pretty hit and miss. This draft looked weak until it started getting talked up bigly a few months ago and as soon as the trades started this year next year started to get talked down. Basically all that happened in that time was TAC finals, a futures game and combine testing for this year. Expect the evaluation to be completely different again in six months time once the hype machine kicks into gear for 2025's crop.

Harvey Manfrenjensenden · 2024-10-23T12:37:02+1100

I've been working on a formula for those proposing pick trades.

Based on the available data I can accurately predict the following:

If we are trading out picks they are worth approximately 12% more.

If we are trading a pick in they are worth approximately 12% less.

If we are trading picks to a club that a poster doesn't like our pick value increases by approximately 7%.

If we are trading in picks from a club that a poster doesn't like the pick value decreases by approximately 7%.

Add 5% if the poster fancies themselves as a "draft watcher"

Add 2% if the poster has had a few beers.

Add 4% if Brady has done something the poster feels is stupid over the past 72 hours. Decrease it by .25% every week after that for the following 3 weeks. Increase it by 0.50% every week until draft night if the poster holds grudges.

If your farming for likes add one of the following caveats:
"but Brady will probably give (insert really high pick) and only get back (insert really low pick)"
"CCJ (insert something negative)"
"(insert something negative) CCJ"

Using the words "incompetent" or "sack" when referring to Brady is very popular.

The words "overs" and "unders" will be used in response to any trade proposed in which North Melbourne do not gain a significant advantage.

The word realistic when used in reference to any trade scenario often has no basis in reality.

Good luck!

The Filth Wizard · 2024-10-23T12:37:54+1100

year of the roo said:
The mistake people are making is they're falling in love with names (this draft) whereas in comparison to next year's draft they are just numbers at this stage. F1 is easy to dismiss against the bird in the hand of this draft, until your F1 has a name, a profile, some stats, a youtube clip or 10 and some testing results. Its a nuffy mistake, and hopefully one our club is not going to make again.

I'm not sure it's "people"... the club has been trying to shop the F1 since the off season kicked off and are still doing it now. They know what they are playing with even if most people don't.

The Nostradamus · 2024-10-23T12:39:47+1100

BRISBANE has farewelled defender Jaxon Prior, while mid-season draftee Darcy Craven and defender Darragh Joyce have been delisted but the Lions have vowed to re-select them through the rookie draft.

LB2Snake · 2024-10-23T12:41:16+1100

The Filth Wizard said:
I'm not sure it's "people"... the club has been trying to shop the F1 since the off season kicked off and are still doing it now. They know what they are playing with even if most people don't.

Yep and all the talk of us giving up our F1 for 13 probably required them to be swapping their F1 as well, or at least more involved you'd think.

DuckYeah · 2024-10-23T12:57:41+1100

travelli said:
That's ambitious.

I'd be fairly confident we will beat Richmond & West Coast.

Not sure about the rest. We have immediate improvement with Parker, Caleb & Logue, but we just have too many other substandard guys who we will have to play, but will hold us back.

I'm still thinking 15-16th, but more competitive. The big improvement in 2026.

If we build as a team, play as a team with pressure and intensity that we saw post bye, we can and will 100% knock those teams off

rickety · 2024-10-23T13:47:51+1100

Blightys Barrel said:
Like little Johnny Howard telling Costello he was taking over from him after 2 elections

I actually sent Costello a box of tissues after watching his teary press conference when JH decided to keep the keys to the Lodge. Funny as.

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